Who thinks Man United and City are better than Liverpool ?

United and City should be bigger with Chelsea shorter than 11/2, it's a 3 horse race.

Liverpool have blown a late equalizer to Watford and struggled to break down a shocking Palace side before thumping a team that were Arsenal in name only and in reality were no better than any of the lower sides in the league.

Leicester have started the season well enough, unlucky to come away with nothing at Arsenal, before winning and yesterday looked solid at the back and carried a threat going forward, if they keep Mahrez they will be a comfortable top 10 side.

put your money where your mouth is mate and back l'pool and enjoy the journey you could be very rich come the end of the season.

from what we've seen in the opening 3(?) games, man city don't deserve to be favourites. utd liverpool and arguably chelsea all look stronger. no doubt they'll improve but pep seems to be very unconfident whereas klopp mourinho and conte have all been there done it before and seem confident. pep's millions does not equal a title imo.

City are appalling value and a lay..Like Liverpool to take at least a draw from them but probably a win...Then lay again.

Liverpool with a couple more clever additions in this window IMO be in Top 2.Certainly real challengers.

Happy to keep taking the price,13 now.

Happy to keep laying City at 2.6 also.

I've backed LFC E/W at 16's, Chelsea at 4's and i'm happy with that so far. Chelsea won the title in a canter last year and their squad, Costa or no Costa, is as good as anyone's and Hazard hasn't kicked a ball yet, Morata is class and will be a great replacement. Citeh are still Pep's enigma's, so much attacking talent I don't think he knows what to do with it though. I can't have Spurs at any price away from WHL which was one of the best 'home field advantages' in the country, Arsenal well that goes without saying, just embarrassing trash yesterday, Sanchez looked totally fecked off, can't blame him either.

Manyoo have started well, and have a good squad and bringing Zlatan back will prove a master stroke if he can stay fit.

4 teams in it IMO, and an early CL bath might prove a big advantage to someone. Spurs look very vulnerable in their group I just can't see it helping them to a title though. Chelsea have Roma and Athletico Madrid and look next most likely to crash out the CL and might benefit from that in the EPL.

LFC were very impressive going forward in the 2 games v Hoffenheim and Arsenal, Mane is top class and Salah isn't far behind. But, both played right into their hands, Hoffenheim were wide open and Arsenal were a farce defensively. I'll more impressed with LFC when they stuff some bus parking EPL tripe like Stoke or West Brom 5-0.

There should be plenty of opportunity for trades this year.

yes they are better, but not 7 times better.

title looks a 2 horse race - City and Chelsea.

The acid test for Liverpool under Klopp is when the fixtures start piling up, let's see if they can sustain that.

That is true Duffy. But worth remembering we lost two key players in Mane and Matip when the fixtures piled up last Jan for 6 weeks. That coincided with a really bad injury spell and we basically blew it in that period then finished well. Definitely better equipped to deal with extra games this season, but like everyone else, we need some luck with injuries... although I'd be lying if I said I wasn't more concerned about how much Klopp's heavy metal football takes its toll over a season father than a period of congested fixtures.

But I think he's already shown he's learnt how important rotation is in the Prem and CL. We've used 19 different first team starters in 5 games already.

regards Liverpool, it's, you can't believe it until it happens(winning the title)
plus i don't think they've spent enough on new players.

what price Utd to go through the season without conceding?

nah, City will put 4 past them

Also you can claim Utd haven't beaten anyone which is kind of true. But Utd not winning these kind of games was exactly why they were nowhere last year. They chucked about 16 points in draws that shouldn't have been draws, nearly all of them were vs bottom half teams. The fact they are pillaging these sides atm is a good sign.

Real test as ever will be when Europe kicks in rotation/injuries set in.

In terms of performance though Utd have looked the best team imo, they have pretty much battered the teams they played for 90 minutes, even when last year they started with 3 wins, they were far less convincing in those wins. Test is a) keeping it up and b) how they do vs the better teams, given they were very negative in many of these games last year, especially the away ones and will need to do better away vs top 6.

I haven't no.

Leicester didn't create a chance of not against Utd until the 93rd minute when the game was lost anyway. De Gea didn't make a save of any real note before then.

The thing with Liverpool exactly is right now the team is pretty much the same as last year isn't it. There aren't a load of youngsters in it you'd expect to get dramatically better, so why would you expect them to get dramatically better? Liverpool have put in performances like yesterday's one against the top teams ever since Klopp came in, I remember the 4-1 away to Man City early in his tenure, they looked awesome that day. I didn't see the Palace game, I did see the Watford game though, and that game really suggested same old as last year (which is to be expected with virtually the same personnel).

Denis Law, Brian Kidd, Peter Beardsley, Andrei Kanchelskis, Terry Cooke, Peter Schmeichel, Andy Cole, Owen Hargreaves and Carlos Tevez.

So you're basing it one game then? That makes sense.

Duffy. For a man who bets regularly that just doesn't make any sense does it. Why weren't Chelsea favs at this stage of last season then?

The odds are wrong all the time.