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Who thinks Man United and City are better than Liverpool ?
Who thinks Man United and City are better than Liverpool ?
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Chelsea where not favs as they'd just been smashed by Arsenal and looked an absolute mess until Conte changed (stumbled across a better) formation
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I think you're missing my point pf. Duffy's point seems to be that the odds must be right. They often aren't.
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On the evidence of what we had seen of Chelsea in Mourinho's last year and then up until this stage last year under Conte i don't see how we can say their price was wrong, the incredible improvement after they got beaten by us after the International break could not possibly have been envisaged.
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So pf. Do you think the odds for the Prem will look just like they do now all season then? Or will they change too?
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What has that got to do with anything?
Of course the odds will change as teams go ahead, teams drop away etc...... |
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I think it's perfectly obvious what that has got to do with anything myself.
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Personally i think Man Utd deserve to be nearly favs (as much as that pains me) for the league as it stands. Mourinho has really strengthened in areas he needed too, Matic is a brilliant signing for them as he has given Pogba more freedom to get further forward and thus Matic stays put and does not leave them exposed. Lukaku fits their style of play perfect and they always have a man up there, as good as Ibrahimovic was last year he does drop deep a lot and does not stretch the defence.
i would say we are a little big at 14 but i still think we will playing for 3rd/4th place, we should get 4th at least with Tottenham at Wembley and Arsenal gone to sh1t |
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This site is a fkin disaster now with posts not showing up for ages after they're posted
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So you agree with me that we are too big then pf. That's all I've been arguing. I'm not saying we are going to win the league ffs.
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I never disagreed with you on the Liverpool price, i answered the question why Chelsea where not favs at this stage last year
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But I was using that merely as an example of how prices can be wrong. The market over reacted to a couple of bad performances from Chelsea. There were people on here talking up Chelsea and Conte and how he would turn them into title contenders with the squad they had. I disagreed and couldn't see it in the slightest, but the rest of the season surely proved they were right? You can say it was right at the time, but I would disagree. Obviously hindsight is a wonderful thing, but how often do you look back at prices and see how wrong they were?
I think the market has massively over reacted to Liverpool drawing with Watford. We should be around 8/1 tops for me. |
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Prices are wrong all the time, but this price is being painted as a right old rick, those type of instances get backed |
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Anyway I'm repeating myself now. I've said what I think! Be interesting to see where these odds are in the fullness of time. But I think City will certainly be a lot bigger and Liverpool will be a lot shorter soon.
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The market hasn't over-reacted to a typical Arsenal capitulation
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Duffy. I think it is a right old rick. Unbelievable trade to my eyes.
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Man City (a)
Burnley (h) Leicester (a) Newcastle (a) Man Utd (h) Tottenham (a) Perhaps that's why they're the price they are, if they get results from that run they'll shorten but City away, Tottenham away and United at home we would not be expected to be picking up a rake of points, we as fans would be hopeful though. Even Leicester will be tough as we've a poor recent record away there. If you where looking for a trade in the Premier League market the bet was surely Man Utd pre season when the fixture list came out, it's not inconceivable they'll be unbeaten or even won all their game when they come to play us at Anfield. |
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A couple of decent home performances against two Europa League teams isn't enough to convince me that Liverpool are better than City or United yet
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Pf. I completely agreed posted that various times before the season started. I will certainly be laying Utd when they shorten even further.
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Fwiw I dont think Liverpool are better than City or Utd, or even comparable in terms of title challengers due to overall squad depth.
But I think them being nearly ten times the price of City is completely wrong. |
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I'd disagree that Liverpool are big due to the upcoming fixtures. Just don't think the market is that clever. If that was the case, Utd would surely have been shorter and not halved in price on the back of winning three pretty easy games.
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Klopp's playing style is a killer for players over a season, add Champions League fixtures into the equation and I think Liverpool will do well to get to 76 points again. That would probably be enough to keep them in the top 4.
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Fixtures will have nothing to do with it a this stage. At this point everyone got to play everyone twice pretty much, fixtures are only really relevant when it's who you have left with like 10 games left or whatever. Liverpool's tough run doesn't make them any less likely to win the title in the long run which the market is pricing up atm.
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I did say up to last few seasons
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So liverpools problem was beating sides like Swansea Bournemouth West Brom West Ham Burnley stoke and nothing's changed yet united had same issue but also lost points to the top teams
If nothing's changed then the odds aren't right are they ? |
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Big discussion on price lads, what about Arsenal at 30.LOL. Absolutely no chance whatsoever! None...
If only i had a spare Thirty K lying around could pay for next years caravan holiday... |
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I think themover makes a key point. This sty.e of play with the constant pressing will surely have an affect in the Liverpool. Enjoy watching them particularly Mane but the worry is they gas out in the new year.
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I'm not sure they are actually pressing like last season I think they are competing but also sitting off a little more this time round I think injuries and suspensions will be key and the last few days of the window
But last season I don't think they ran out of steam and if they did they recovered it towards the end |
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City been boring, can't see city getting much this season a bit of a shambles tbh, UTD been quality and Liverpool exciting,
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Anyone else think augero is dead wood these days an pep hasn't a clue really
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doubt it, City only have two strikers (currently)
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Nothing against city in fact they should be top dogs, not clicking ATM still long way to go
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Personally, I think the argument about style of play and tiredness is a red herring. Liverpool weren't tired last winter, they must had a couple of bad games , lost confidence and so lost their rhythm. Was a mental, not a physical problem.
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If they weren't tired last season they'll be tested more this season with the Champions League fixtures as well :
9 Sept Man City v Liverpool 13 Sept Liverpool v Sevilla 16 Sept Liverpool v Burnley 23 Sept Leicester v Liverpool 26 Sept Spartak Moscow v Liverpool 1 Oct Newcastle v Liverpool 14 Oct Liverpool v Man Utd 17 Oct Maribor v Liverpool 22 Oct Spurs v Liverpool 28 Oct Liverpool v Huddersfield 1 Nov Liverpool v Maribor 4 Nov West Ham v Liverpool 18 Nov Liverpool v Southampton 21 Nov Sevilla v Liverpool 25 Nov Liverpool v Chelsea 2 Dec Brighton v Liverpool 6 Dec Liverpool v Spartak Moscow 10 Dec Liverpool v Everton |
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You think Klopp will plays his 1st XI in every single league game before and after Champions League fixtures (subject to injuries) ?
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I think Liverpools top level is incredible. I worry about them though. Their price is interesting though.
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their CL group isn't that bad. moscow is a journey but spartak aren't that good a team. sevilla aren't what they used to be although that is a tough away game. maribor again is not easy but also not the most intimidating opposition.
let's just count how many first-team players liverpool have to choose from: mignolet, karius clyne, sakho, lovren, gomez, klavan, moreno, robertson, matip, arnold wijnaldum, milner, coutinho, henderson, lallana, can firmino, salah, sturridge, mane, origi, ings, solanke that's 24 players who can represent the first team and not let anyone down so they basically have two teams. i wouldn't be worried about their squad depth. |
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man utd
de gea, romero lindelof, bailly, jones, rojo, shaw, valencia, darmian, blind, smalling pogba, mata, lingard, pereira, carrick, young, herrera, mikhtaryan, fellaini, matic lukaku, ibrahimovic, martial, rashford 25 "top" players united's squad depth is frightening. man city ederson, bravo walker, danilo, kompany, stones, mangala, mendy, otamendi gundogan, de bruyne, delph, sane, bernardo silva, david silva, fernandinho, yaya aguero, jesus, sterling just 20 players. chelsea caballero, courtois rudiger, alonso, cahill, christiansen, azpi, luiz, moses fabregas, kante, hazard, pedro, bakayoko, kenedy, willian, oxlade-chamberlain batshuyi, morata, remy just 20 players. united and liverpool have the strongest squads. |