People talk about money.

Example : reports suggested Wenger offered Liverpool £40 million + £1 for luis suárez.

Do you honestly believe Fergie or Jose would have handled that negotiation so poorly ?
They would have done what ever it took to get the deal done.

That's the difference and many, many Top Arsenal players have left over the years because they have become disillusioned by his philosophy.

I have no doubt he would have been a brilliant signing for AFC but Wenger messed it up trying to be smart.

Wenger thinks its his money and can't part with it.

So his last fixture this season will be home against a relegated Villa. With a Champions league place already secure. Has this been a successful season for Mr Wenger or a disappointing one considering on a few occasions AFC were favs with bookies to win the league this season?

It can be looked at both ways Diff , AFC fans like all the rest out there want their team to win things , we again have fallen short and very similar to many seasons it looks like a team that dont have the bottle for the job.                                              Leicester are Champs and prob Spurs will finish 2nd ,2 teams we,d expect to finish above but 3 other teams who who in theory be in and around the very top have fallen way short of that mark.                    Man City got off to a flyer this season and had their best ever run in the C/L ,what happened to them in the League though ,easy to say key injuries but they have a massive quality squad who should be able to deal with setbacks like that.                         Chelsea are another team no-one could for see struggling like they have this yr and Man U were for long periods an awful side to watch trying to grind out results .                                                                                           I can see both sides to the argument ref Mr AW ,yes he has made plenty of mistakes along this very long road at our club but also plenty of good things happened aswell along the way , Fergie was an enigma at Man U ,obv a superb man manager and AW competed well with him , Fergies long reign at UTD returned remarkable results that will never be matched in the Prem , he knew when it was time to leave and it will take time and a bit of luck imo for Man U to be back at the very top again if ever , Arsene obv nowhere near Fergie,s achievements has still been a top Manager. His record of always finishing top 4 min might be as you say should be a norm with history etc but you could say that about teams like Utd and Liverpool , its obv not a given in football . Some want his time to end but it seems more are happy with him in charge , the Prem League is a merry-go-round of players and Managers yr in yr out , players come and go with form etc and as soon as a mega offer is on the table off they go to pasture,s new ,Managers get sacked after very short periods in charge ,its all pretty ruthless stuff with obv big money involved these days and certain Managers have been treated very badly imo by some of the biggest of clubs . AFC seems more of a business than a club wanting to win Trophies, Trophies would seem like a bonus atm ,we,ve still managed a few of those along the way so the Money men are more than happy and we are prob the best run club in the Country in financial terms so AW leaves just like Fergie, when he wants to .

Even thats a given

the club is run by a parasite who looks at the bank account first, will only look at the league table if there's less than expected in the bank account

Same old excuses.... Players being tired , poor ref decisions , players injured ..... lets take a look at what the new managers ate doing at Liverpool and Chelsea.

Wenger isn't a winner and they're basically out of the title race with 5 months to go. Same old story Top 4 finish to keep the money rolling in as the fans become losers too.

Are they really golden eggs when they've barely won anything in what is it 12 years? You can see why he's kept in, but it's quite boring by now to watch Arsenal make the same mistake year after year for about the last 6.

The only golden egg is the extra money, because the actual achievement part is irrelevant for Arsenal. They qualify for a competition they're not even trying to win, so from that aspect there's no point.

What Golden Eggs, he's a manager of the past, like everything the game moves on and until he does, Arsenal won't win the League again.

the club can never move forward until wenger gazidis and kroenke are gone

sure we ll beat the likes of wba c palace etc but with players like sanchez im sure any of us could manage the team to win games like that

just hope he goes this year without the need to be hounded out

As a Rangers fan I wouldn't let Wenger anywhere near Ibrox and that's saying someting given the poultice we have at present.

Genius of a manager.  Arsenal managerial record:

    FA Premier League winners (3): 1997–98, 2001–02, 2003–04
    FA Cup winners (6): 1997–98, 2001–02, 2002–03, 2004–05, 2013–14, 2014–15
    FA Community Shield winners (6): 1998, 1999, 2002, 2004, 2014, 2015

Best domestic trophy haul in the league for current managers.

Arsenal matches 1 October 1996 to Present
    Played 1,148 Won 659 (57.4%) Draw 267 Lost 222

As to recent Emirates form, nothing will change until the current crop of directors care more about winning rather than bottom line finances.  Arsenal are a well run club but without the desire to do anything other than fill stadiums and maximise profits.

Who are these managers and what record do they have?  Who would be a good realistic replacement for Wenger i.e. it also needs to be a manager that wants to come.

if you manage for 10 times longer than everyone else it s very likely you d have a big trophy haul,especially at one of the top clubs

community shields arent worth a toss to be fair and some of those early trophies had the backbone of george grahams defence aswell

whats his win ratio vs koeman or mourinho

lets be honest here hes been a very good manager and done well for the club but he should have gone ages ago now

I do agree with you Dragon, but feel Wenger is only part of the problem, the club stakeholders are part of the problem, they seem to lack ambition for the club.  Also what Manager would come to Arsenal and do a better job, lets have some names?

Any savvy manager like koeman and mourinho know arsenal are weak down the spine and have been for years. they tailor their game plan accordingly and get results almost every time. Fergie copped onto it for years before he finished too, put the boot into them and hit them on the counter attack. And wenger has done nothing to correct it for 12 years and counting.

All his success was built on steel down the spine and pace in attack and he basically stripped all of that out of his side and has won no major honours since. He now plays a type of pretty football good enough to guarantee 4th and fill the stadium, that's it. Remember his earlier, successful, teams had awful disciplinary records? There used to be a shocking stat about how many red cards arsenal had under his tenure in the early days.

But I think he is still respected for the football he plays, esp by fans of other sides. Could you imagine if he was replaced by another mourinho type how boring the PL would be? It's got boring enough as it is but some of the most exciting games to watch have involved arsenal. Imagine most arsenal games were boring? I think the money men in the PL and Sky are more than happy to see him stay and he doesn't get the criticism he deserves because of this.

Bit harsh the bairn, I have praised Wenger highly on this thread.

He's had his time though mate, that much should be clear to anybody.

So to sum up you would rather have style than winning anything.

And the idea that Arsenal play an exciting brand of football that no-one else does is one that wears thin these days.

blackrock    hammer hits nail on head

like about 95% of Managers then Blacky ?