Any ( honest ) views on Mr A Wenger ?

The fanbase of the club is half the problem, it has changed totally since we went to the emirates as someone who went to Highbury week in week out for over 10 years I have seen it for myself.  Fans that do not know anyone other than wenger and are happy with mediocre 4th place and champs league footy.  Appearing on social media like they know it all and **** ike arsenal TV.  They are an embarrassmment and whilst we have them he will stay in charge

Legend.

The board are very different now to then thanks to them all selling up.  They even allowed wenger to interview his own boss Gazidis, whch company does that

If qualification for the Champions League is such a formality, how come Man U and Chelsea have failed to qualify in recent years?

It cant be as absolute as trophies won imo. Wenger has achieved things way beyond records in books. Im a spurs fan, and if i ever see a football team as complete and beautiful as the 2002-2004 Arsenal team i will be surprised and delighted. It says that team won two titles,  but i will remember them long after benitez's facts and mourinho's bus and the fat ape from everton. And he built, as if he'd laid every brick himself, their stadium. Even those things though are essentially what he did for arsenal. The change in english football culture which he helped to bring about will ultimately be his greatest legacy. Technique and professionalism - the philosophy which stood him out when he arrived - are now the standard in our game.

He's not the CFO he's the manager. Not paid £8m a year to build a stadium or manage the finances of the club

I've always been a bit split on Wenger. I've never known fans of any club so divided on their Manager and both sides can make a compelling argument for how well he has done versus the fact he needs to go.

But this season appears to be the final nail in his coffin. He repeatedly fails to address the same shortcomings time and time again. Time for him to move on and let someone else have a go.

Well put Jed. A thoughtful and insightful post (even for a Spurs fan).

The problem with Wenger is that the past 10 years have seen a remarkable level of consistency in terms of top 4 under tight financial constraints but without actually winning anything meaningful. It looks worse with the tendency to drop away tamely when the chips are down.

I do look at club ownership and think this has something to do with it. Spurs have made some diabolical managerial decisions over the past 20 years but they have owners who are passionate Spurs’ fans and are concerned with the progress of the team rather than commercial results (you can say the same about West Ham). They finally have a team capable of winning the title and a good, progressive and astute young manager. The perception (rightly or wrongly) is that having kick-started a revolution, Wenger has now been left behind by it.

Wenger never complains about not have the funding to buy players, yet incredibly in all the time he has had Oivier Giroud he has not been of the opinion that another striker would improve the team. That for me isn;t good enough when clubs like Tottenham, Everton and Leicester all seem to have found a better one without too much trouble.

I could win trophies if you gave me £1,000 million.  Many clubs went bankrupt spending borrowed money, money spent by trophy-hunting "managers".
Arsene Wenger is a manager.  He keeps Arsenal in contention year after year.  Sometimes they win.

I think Olympic Lyonnais and Arsenal are similar.  OL bought and sold players on the advice of a small group that did not include the manager (i think).  Every player was for sale if the price was right.
Ligue 1 Winners (7): 2001–02, 2002–03, 2003–04, 2004–05, 2005–06, 2006–07, 2007–08
"Olympique Lyonnais is owned by Rhône businessman Jean-Michel Aulas, who acquired the club on 15 June 1987. He serves as the founder and chief operating officer of CEGID.
After ridding the club of its debt, Aulas restructured the club's management and reorganised the finances and, in a span of two decades, transformed the club from a second division team into one of the richest football clubs in the world.
However, Aulas has been lambasted by critics for running the club as if it were a business." Wiki

With a bag of sweets and a cheeky smile...

Bayern and Barca are light years ahead of any English team. Id rather finish comfortably top 4 every year than win it one year then be complete dross the next.

People make it sound like he can just put an advert in the gazette for a world class striker and the phone starts ringing.


themover    03 Mar 16 15:25 
Moshiri decided his money was better invested in Everton than Arsenal, which would suggest to me he thinks Arsenal have hit the peak of their ability/worth

Arsenal must be worth a £1billion. Everton arent even worth half that. Maybe he just wanted to be a big fish so had to go to a smaller pond

Only a 'fan' who supports a plc/balance sheet as opposed to a football team is happy with 4th every year. The fact is that Arsenal have the resources and fanbase, £200m in the bank, more than enough to challenge for the league, particularly this season. If they finish ahead of City, United and Chelsea they should be champions and they should be finishing above all of them this year.

The team is full of bottlers and dross players and has been for 8+ years and that's not good enough. Wenger repeatedly fails to address it, fans could see it 8 years ago and were called clueless, now every single pundit on tv calls it out 8 years later.

Kroenke is just as much a part of the problem. Wenger is not good enough to challenge for major honours anymore but that's not his fault, you have to look above his head at the people who won't change it. To Kroenke he's still the best manager in the world. He's had 6+ years to find a world class striker.

he's a very good manager - Arsenal just have unrealistic expectations .
Arsenal are  the same position this year as any other . Theyre not going backwards or forwards ,just happy with a CL place .
Fans naturally worried that they may get overtaken by  Spurs for a few seasons (??)  -but that's not down to Wenger surely ?

HOW MANY MORE YEARS CAN HE GO WITH NO EUROPEAN TROPHY?

Jed.D is right
Wenger is a gent and is the father of the epl. Without him it would be just another crappy league where man U win every year.
You have to wonder at the constant failure in the epl and ucl though
Micro managers like jose would have gotten them over the line i suppose but modern players dont take well to over coaching for longer than a couple of seasons
Wenger's legend at arsenal will go down with the greats of the game
Remember how he found them?
Boring boring, 1-0 to the arsenal
Along with city they are the best possession teams in the epl and wonderful to watch
and i too am a spurs fan

Great manager but stubborn. Arsenal have been around 3 players short for about 10 years. Why not just push the boat out and get them? They've got the Money.. Weird.

His early success in the transfer market was founded on buying out-of-favour classy players (Vieira, Overmars, Kanu, Henry) or players that he put in new positions (Petit, Pires) or rising stars (Ljungberg)

His strategy for the last ten years has been founded on buying very young players and hoping they turn out well (let's be honest).  Where money has been available he has splashed out on small, techinical established attack-minded players (Arshavin, Ozil, Sanchez).  The rest has been cut-price purchases of players who don't really have any upside at all.  It is no surprise the quality of the squad is not good beyond the top two/three players. 

Personally I think he got swept away in the hype of the Arsenal youth team, and may have believed that he has some ability to spot great players at an early age. He doesn't; no-one really does, because unless (like Fabregas) you are good enough to play first team football when you are 15, your development from 15 to 18 and then to 20 is very hard to predict.

The one skill Wenger still maintains though is his ability to get his largely ordinary squad (count the first-choice internationals before you say "but...") to function as a team going forward.  The absurdity is how he ended up with such a rag-bag of average players

Surely being a fan is about the highs and lows?  The great seasons and the crap.

  Wenger dishes up the same fare every season.  Some excellent performances when they look the best team in the league then the inevitable slump and 4th finish.  Chuck in a last 16 palace in the CL and a domestic cup every few years and that's yer lot with Wenger.

How long can Arsenal fans tolerate this?....a bleedin long time by the look of it.

Could not have summed it up better. Spot on Tobermory.