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kenilworth
23 Sep 14 23:17
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By going first Liverpool were never coming from behind,
also they should do it like the tennis tie break.

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By:
Capt__F
When: 23 Sep 14 23:20
statistically team that misses first wins
By:
jamesdean
When: 23 Sep 14 23:21
They toss a coin for it
By:
kenilworth
When: 23 Sep 14 23:29
statistically the side that goes first, wins 58%.
By:
Bergkamp93
When: 23 Sep 14 23:33
By:
TheBetterBettor
When: 23 Sep 14 23:42
Have women goalies at extra time and watch the goals rain in.  The FA is always trying to make the game more inclusive.
By:
charwell.
When: 23 Sep 14 23:44
By going first Liverpool were never coming from behind,
also they should do it like the tennis tie break.


yes, because Liverpool won the toss and had the advantage of 1st this is just not cricket. Let's make it so Liverpool can't possibly have any advantage.........but it is a trifle tricky to have both teams take a penalty at the same time! Crazy
By:
Bergkamp93
When: 23 Sep 14 23:49
Exactly someone had to hit the pen first ffs such a stupid thread

Nothing more to see here move on..Grin
By:
TheBetterBettor
When: 24 Sep 14 00:18
why not have both pens taken at both ends simultaneously?
By:
Capt__F
When: 24 Sep 14 00:19
blindfolded
By:
GLASGOWCALLING
When: 24 Sep 14 00:33
walofs.
By:
TheGoddess
When: 24 Sep 14 06:21
I agree! Should be played out like a tennis tie break until sudden death.
By:
Johnny_Mustang
When: 24 Sep 14 08:41
No bet.
By:
kenilworth
When: 24 Sep 14 08:58
At least there is at least one voice among 
the simpletons who agrees with me. hooray!
By:
Regular Fries
When: 24 Sep 14 09:26
the tennis tie-break system makes sense to me. Won't happen though.
By:
kenilworth
When: 24 Sep 14 09:37
Of course it won't happen that way, but I believe
it is being reviewed next close season. Problem is
that it doesn't affect many, and would need a concerted
protest to draw attention to it.
I watched it last night as a neutral and felt for
Middlesboro every time one of their players stepped up
knowing if he missed, it was all over, something that
the Liverpool players didn't have to face, on top of that
they had to take their pens at the Kop end.
By:
Regular Fries
When: 24 Sep 14 09:41
well if the pens were taken at the Kop end then presumably the Boro captain decided to go second?
By:
Mikael D'Haguenet
When: 24 Sep 14 10:54
charwell.     23 Sep 14 23:44 
yes, because Liverpool won the toss and had the advantage of 1st this is just not cricket. Let's make it so Liverpool can't possibly have any advantage.........but it is a trifle tricky to have both teams take a penalty at the same time!


I don't think ken's post was an anti-Liverpool one, more an anti-current penalty shootout format one, though I could be wrong. I actually quite like the idea. The team going first would still have a slight advantage, albeit reduced from the one they currently hold.
By:
spyker
When: 24 Sep 14 11:11
Problem is that it doesn't affect many,

Soooooooooo, it's not a problem then!
By:
wallis
When: 24 Sep 14 12:03
I thought the referee chose which end to take the kicks ?  It isnt decided on a toin coss ?
By:
dukeofpuke
When: 24 Sep 14 12:12
shullbit
By:
kenilworth
When: 24 Sep 14 12:30
Mikael, I did say I watched as a neutral.
By:
1st time poster
When: 24 Sep 14 16:41
who says the teams going 1st had the choice,as posted teams might win the toss and opt for going 2nd,its only an advantage if you score 1st
By:
1st time poster
When: 24 Sep 14 16:44
i,d prefer side getting more corners going through, but you,d have loons like fat sam,pardew,pulis etc encouraging their team to gain corners instead of scoring or crossing,and the media would spotlight reffs as though every corner decision is a pen,so might as well stick with pens
By:
par
When: 24 Sep 14 17:06
should they change after a certain amount of penalties like in tennis

say after five penalties and it is still tied change the order of penalty taking.
By:
Mikael D'Haguenet
When: 24 Sep 14 17:13
1st time poster     24 Sep 14 16:41 
who says the teams going 1st had the choice,as posted teams might win the toss and opt for going 2nd,its only an advantage if you score 1st


If a team wins the toss and opts to go 2nd, they deserve to lose. Could the bolded part be any more obvious?

par     Joined: 20 Jul 01
Replies: 5649 24 Sep 14 17:06 
should they change after a certain amount of penalties like in tennis

say after five penalties and it is still tied change the order of penalty taking.


I think the suggestion, which I agree with, would be simply A-B-B-A, and so on. Take a chance on this format, I say.
By:
donny osmond
When: 24 Sep 14 17:32
a b
b a
a b
b a
a b

sudden death

b a
a b
b a
a b

etc


so simple it could only be football administrators that didnt agree


i cant think of a single reason for not changing to this fairer system

except perhaps its a bit complicated for footballers and refs to get the hang of
By:
Platini
When: 24 Sep 14 18:29
I'll tell what's unfair.

Keeping a 7 or 8 second delay in place when it gets to pens.
Makes the in-running a market a total farce AngryAngryAngry
By:
kenilworth
When: 24 Sep 14 18:30
Donny, it would have to stop somewhere, so following
your sequence, perhaps when one side scores 5 and 2
clear?
By:
The Dragon
When: 24 Sep 14 18:31
golden goal is the answer
By:
Mikael D'Haguenet
When: 24 Sep 14 18:36
Golden goal was the worst idea ever. It worked great on the Playstation, just not in real life.
By:
donny osmond
When: 24 Sep 14 18:38
i think 7 a side for extra time is a better option, 10 mins each way, but that aint happening
so penalties with alternate starts is the best option

golden goal, and silver goal were tried and rejected
By:
spyker
When: 24 Sep 14 19:03
Bigger goals and smaller goalkeepers for et.
By:
kenilworth
When: 24 Sep 14 19:13
As Donny suggested, plus first to reach 5(or6)
and be at least 2 clear.
One thing anyway, one shouldn't chasing the other
for the whole sequence as was last night, when
Middlesboro were on sudden death (I think) about
10 times whereas Liverpool not once.
By:
Mikael D'Haguenet
When: 24 Sep 14 19:18
Don't understand the requirement to be 2 clear tbh ken.
By:
kenilworth
When: 24 Sep 14 20:05
Mikael, the side taking the first pen could
go 5-4 after 9 pens with no pens having been
missed so the minimum of 2 would be required,
as in the tennis tie-break. Think about it.
By:
Mikael D'Haguenet
When: 24 Sep 14 21:58
So the side taking the 10th penalty misses but are then allowed to equalize on the 11th forcing the other side to score penalties 12 & 13? Makes no sense. If they're leading 5-4 after 5 penalties apiece, they go through.

I suggest you rethink.
By:
kenilworth
When: 24 Sep 14 22:20
The side taking the 11th pen would be facing
sudden death at that point, because they had
missed the 10th, not because they were going
second every second pen previous. They are
up against it as they would be in a tennis
tie break, makes sense to me.
By:
donny osmond
When: 24 Sep 14 22:29
tennis is first to 7 and win by 2

kens makes sense but is likely to produce longer shootouts but has its advantages too

id prefer to find a winner after 10 kicks , then sudden death
By:
kenilworth
When: 24 Sep 14 22:33
First to 5 and win by 2, first to 7 and win by 2, first to 9 and win by 2

etc, etc, what's the diff?
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