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By:
brac
When: 05 Nov 15 20:57
Shocker Plat-had over 2.5 and Griff to score anytime(what a sitter he missed) got the dough back on the overs but that has to be one ofthe worst Celtic performances I have seen.


As you say it will take the spotlight off sevco but we and other honest clubs have to force the SFA to actAngry
By:
Westender
When: 05 Nov 15 21:55
Scottish football is rank rotten and the results in Europope since the Rangers left sums it up nicely.

The SFA and other clubs should now bow down and beg at the main door of Ibrox for the return of the saviours of Scottish Football.
By:
FULLY123
When: 05 Nov 15 22:11
The SFA warned them.
By:
Outpost
When: 06 Nov 15 10:11
Celtic must be the only club in history that constantly looks to win matches and titles off the field of play instead of on it.

I suppose the way they're playing they have a better chance of winning stuff in secret back room meetings than on a football pitch.
By:
brac
When: 06 Nov 15 15:37
You could not be more wrong outpost, I for one would not want any of your tainted titles (Hearts seem to be the club you cheated most)But I strongly believe that the titles should be removed from Rangers history and simply put up as not awarded due to financial doping.

As I said last night this is an old Rangers issue and has nothing to do with your new wee tam currently playing out of IbrokeLaugh
By:
brac
When: 06 Nov 15 15:39
Celtic fans are still in a bit of shock at last nights performance(but we are a well run club will recover and come back stronger) but Sevco fans sgould be more worried about getting loans not repaying Ashley and still burning through 7.5 million in addition(this could be the 3rd time you have to start againCrazy)
By:
Platini
When: 06 Nov 15 18:51
If titles are taken off cheats, they should go to the rightful winners. That's what happens in other countries. Why would it be different here ?
By:
Westender
When: 06 Nov 15 20:18
Rod Stewart's hair has been in shock for years Brac
By:
brac
When: 06 Nov 15 22:54
WestenderLaugh
By:
Gerbs
When: 09 Nov 15 18:03
http://blogs.channel4.com/alex-thomsons-view/rangers-cheated-football-fraudulent-silverware/10066

Whoops
By:
brac
When: 09 Nov 15 18:25
Russia should be banned from athletics competition, a World Anti-Doping Agency commission report has recommended.

Wada's independent commission examined allegations of doping, cover-ups, and extortion in Russian athletics, which also implicated the IAAF, the sport's world governing body.

It says London 2012 was "sabotaged" by "widespread inaction" against athletes with suspicious doping profiles.

Russia were also accused of running a "state-supported" doping programme.

Calls for Russia to be banned and athletes to lose medals. tell me what is the difference between Russia cheating by doping and Old Rangers cheating by financial doping with the SFA turning a blind eye and in some cases abetting this cheating?

We should force the SFA to act by boycotting all games until the team that died of shame has those honors taken from the history.

Sevconians need not worry this does not effect your current team they can keep the titles *2 ) that they have won so far in their short history
By:
brac
When: 09 Nov 15 18:28
Yoy are right Gerbs it is cheating on a massive scale and the shamefull SFA must be forced to actCrazyCrazyAngry
By:
Westender
When: 09 Nov 15 20:07
Here in England we have Burnley relegated to the Championship and Bristol City being promoted to the Championship from the league below.

Explain to me why it is fair that Burnley receive millions of pounds in parachute payments where the other clubs who have never made it to the Boring Land of the Premiership receive nothing.

All this does is eradicate competition. Surely this is even worse than the actions of a single club as it is a scandalous misuse of funds by the people running the game down here.

in the light of such misuse of funds, I propose that all English Premier League titles won in the past 15 years, excluding my club Chelsea FC, should be deleted from history.
By:
brac
When: 09 Nov 15 21:50
Dont be a silly billy WestenderDevil

It is cheating on a massive scale, the SFA are complicit(campbell you know EBT) and titles should be removed from the dead clubs record

Whineburton is right though this has nothing to do with newco they have 2 titles and these are safeCool
By:
Westender
When: 09 Nov 15 22:35
Let's assume these leagues are retrospectively awarded to Celtic, then we need to further go through the motions of making up the names of the teams who would have pumped Celtic in the Chumps League prelim rounds.

1. TNS (Wales)
2. Tre Penne (San Marino)
3. Torpedo Moscow (Russia)
4. Dog and Duck 2nd string stiffs (England)

LaughLaugh
By:
brac
When: 10 Nov 15 08:36
Here is a straight cut and paste for you ex bears and the toxic entity that died





FEAR OF CONSEQUENCES 



As we awaited the initial judgement in the Big Tax Case, and as we were all expected ‘common sense’ to prevail from the beginning and not only from the second appeal to the Court of Session, CQN Magazine in an earlier edition looked at the FEAR OF CONSEQUENCES

Rules are rules but implementing them in Scotland may cause “mayhem” – Henry Clarson considers the consequences of applying the rules…

I have noticed that a recurring theme in the debate about awarding league titles that are stripped from Rangers to the runner-up is fear of the consequences.

It was fear of the consequences of standing up to wrongdoing that got Scottish football into this almighty mess in the first place.

For the purposes of this piece, we proceed on the assumption that Rangers were guilty of routinely fielding improperly registered players over the course of many seasons. We have already seen more than enough evidence to justify that assumption. One single competitor stands accused of cheating and is almost certainly guilty. That competitor must pay the penalty.

Yes, even when it’s Rangers.

There is no case for allowing those guilty of breaking the rules to negotiate further breaches of the rules in order to spare themselves the punishment that they deserve. We are not yet so far through the looking glass that we are going to permit cheats to guide us about what is fair and what is unfair.

If somebody wants to grab hold of a non-insulated electrical cable that is plugged into a live mains supply, they don’t negotiate a compromise with the laws of physics about just how much electrocution they suffer. When Rangers decided to ignore the rules, they took the risk that they would get burned. Now they’re getting totally fried and it serves them right. They knew the danger, they took the risk, they lost out, and they’re toast. All the blame is theirs and theirs alone.

There is no question in my mind that if Rangers are found to have been fielding ineligible players, the results of their matches should firstly be corrected to read as defeats, in accordance with the rules. Consequently the final league standings in each of the seasons to which this applies should also be corrected to reveal who the true champions were, according to the rules. Based on precedents from similar cases where improperly registered players participated in official matches, every game in which Rangers fielded ineligible players should be recorded as a 3-0 victory for their opponents. The points are totalled up for the season. The team that has the most points is awarded the title. The team with the fewest points is placed at the bottom of the table.

Yes, even if it is Rangers.

This could scarcely be simpler. Ask Spartans FC, who paid a severe penalty for a careless administrative error on a team-line. They did not complain, they did not whine. They took full responsibility for their own transgression, accepted the defeat and paid the whopping fine. They did so with good grace because they accepted that they had inadvertently breached the rules.

Why, even FC Sion had to accept the rules eventually.ntvNl41GHRe15Q5iPmflfLST1XZGHUbfQwVrKKUoO4E

Let’s be clear about this – taking away from Rangers anything, which was never rightfully, theirs in the first place is not a punishment. It’s merely the first step in undoing some of the damage. The next step is to restore to the rightful owners that which was stolen from them. The third step is to punish the guilty parties for their crimes. We’re not even close to that third stage yet so any hint of backsliding on the first two steps must not be tolerated. The very first principle of atonement is to make restitution as far as that is possible. The very minimum requirement is to return what has been stolen to its rightful owners. In the case of at least five titles, that means presenting those titles to the team which won the most points in accordance with the Laws of the Game of Association Football and in line with the rules and regulations of the SFA and SPL. Absolutely nothing less than that will do. And that should only be a starting point.

Once the appropriate corrections have been made, the separate matter of what punishment should be meted out to the offending parties can finally be addressed.

I argue that expulsion is entirely appropriate. We are dealing with unprecedented levels of rule breaking (probably in collusion with office-bearers at Hampden Park), incalculable damage to the reputation and development of Scottish football and, even now, chaos and turmoil which is destabilising the entire structure of the game. I, like many others, paid tens of thousands of pounds over the years to see my team competing for the championship title and I’ll be damned if I’m going to settle for seeing an asterisk taking the place of a title which my team won fair and square. The only reason that those titles weren’t awarded to the correct team at the end of each season is because the game was so riddled with corruption that nobody enforced rules that would have deprived Rangers of their unfair advantage.

Successive SFA and SPL officials came from Ibrox and allowed this cheating to go unchecked. Successive directors at Rangers FC, at best neglected their responsibilities to ensure that their business was on the straight and narrow. At worst, they actively perpetuated the cheating.

What can be done and now must be done is that the record is at least set straight wherever possible. The records must show in perpetuity that all matches in which Rangers FC fielded ineligible players were 3-0 victories for their opponents. In league competitions, where the outcomes can be accurately recalculated, the medals and titles must be awarded to the correct winners. There is a strong probability that these recalculated tables will also show that Rangers ought to have been relegated so the injustice suffered by the clubs who actually were relegated should be admitted by the SPL and SFA and formally recognised with an apology. The supposed leaders of the game are still ignoring too many injustices. Until they stop turning a deliberate blind eye to these wrongs, they will never be able to earn any trust or respect from Scottish football supporters.

The rules must be applied to the transgressions of Rangers just as strictly as they were to any other club. Rangers have no right to be treated differently. If anything, they should be hammered even harder because they have relentlessly puffed themselves up as the country’s greatest club, with a monopoly on dignity, the standard to which everyone else should aspire (“we welcome the chase”) and a giant of the global game. If any club should have taken extra care to ensure that it was playing the game by the rules, it was this one with its ludicrous sense of self-importance and its arrogant evaluation of its own stature. However, I’d quite happily settle for seeing them treated like ordinary cheats rather than as elite cheats.

But fear of the consequences appears to have induced a paralysis that is preventing the correct response from even being recognised, never mind being enacted. There is a constant creep in the mainstream media towards an assumption that Rangers have suffered enough and that those who want to see them pay in full for their colossal wrongdoing are being vindictive. Nothing could be further from the truth. The issue is purely about fairness. It is fundamentally unfair that hardened, habitual cheats should receive any leniency when those who did nothing wrong whatsoever were seriously disadvantaged, suffered considerable loss of prestige, were wrongly deprived of sporting honours and were financially damaged. In some cases, the financial damage was a mortal blow.

A club that has been found guilty of consistently fielding ineligible players on a massive scale and, furthermore, actively concealed the paperwork that would have exposed that Ineligibility is simply not fit to be a member of any organised league. Nor is it fit to have SFA membership. Thus the record should clearly show that its punishment is either expulsion or, at the very least, a sine die suspension which cannot be lifted unless satisfactory restitution has been made for the damage suffered by other footballing parties. The victims of the offence can only make the decision about what is and is not acceptable restitution, not by its perpetrators. NFoCeabnL-P8enghVJ77ZMyU9uXjWR-dByEmr-4-Nd8

There is much to atone for and compromise is neither necessary nor desirable in this case. Anyone who cannot understand the fundamentals of fair play in sport is never going to be able to understand why the prizes should be awarded to the highest placed competitor who didn’t cheat rather than merely taken away from the cheat who wasn’t found out for a while. When I was forking out over a thousand pounds per season to see my team competing in tournaments that were supposed to be fair, it was bad enough to be seething with frustration at what I identified at the time as biased refereeing performances. Now that it is apparent that the beneficiaries of this bias were not even eligible to be on the field of play in order to benefit from the “honest mistakes”, the frustration has hardened into a righteous and completely justified anger.

It is in the self-interest of every Scottish football supporter to be able to pay money to watch a Scottish football match which isn’t **** and in a competition that isn’t fixed. Since an incalculable number of us have been denied such a right for many, many years, the football authorities now have a duty to recognise that fact in unequivocal terms. There has to be official recognition of the truth that countless people have already been defrauded to the tune of thousands upon thousands of pounds. There must be recognition of how wrong that was and we must see unambiguous evidence that the authorities not only regret that they allowed that fraud to take place but also that they are determined that it shall never be allowed to happen again. Even if that means that their favoured team has to find its true level somewhere other than at the pinnacle of the domestic game, that remains what they have to do. So far, everything they have attempted to do indicates that they still want to take the opposite approach and that their first priority is to protect Rangers, even at the expense of the rest of Scottish football.

So if a future club wishes to trade as Rangers FC and portray itself as the continuation of the expelled Rangers FC, it should only do so if it fulfils certain stringent conditions imposed by the SFA and the Leagues.

Firstly, it must unequivocally recognise and accept that it is inheriting the culpability of the original Rangers FC for breaking football rules over many successive years. No ifs, no buts, no maybes. If they want to call themselves Rangers, they have to take the punishment that should have been meted out to Rangers long ago. This is not to please blinkered supporters of the cheating club or their sympathisers; it is not to please those who are too dull of wit to follow simple logic; it’s not going to please people whose concept of sport doesn’t hold honesty, fairness or justice in high regard; it won’t please those who are too cowardly to stand up to the myth of the mighty Rangers; it can not please those who are so corrupt that they are still trying to promote any argument for a perverse compromise.

But, by God, it will please anyone who thinks sport should be built upon a foundation of fairness. It will satisfy those who believe that the sport is well rid of cheats who would bring football to its knees rather than miss out on prizes that they haven’t earned. And it will delight those who see unrepentant supporters of a rotten, disgraced club hoping and praying that half a dozen SPL clubs will go to the wall as a direct result of Rangers finally being held to account for corrupting Scottish football. So if the pill is too bitter to swallow, the suspension should not be ended.

Secondly, it will never make any claim to titles that have been stripped from it in accordance with the game’s rules nor will it ever dispute or question the justice of awarding those titles to any other club that did compete within the rules. It will return all trophies, medals and other campaign spoils to the appropriate bodies and strike them from their club records and history.

Thirdly, in recognition of the financial damage which original Rangers caused to its peers in the Scottish game, the new club which elects to trade as Rangers FC will forfeit a percentage of its future earnings and prize money for a period of time and at a level which is acceptable to all the clubs which it is found to have disadvantaged. In terms of atoning for receiving prize-money to which they were not entitled, I don’t have a specific figure in mind for the new club trading as Rangers, though it ought to be an affordable but very significant slice of its income. Of course, there’s no reason for it not to be levied for a long time to come. It is effectively a massive fine to reflect massive wrongdoing. Like most fines, it can be paid up over a period of time after taking into account the offender’s means and essential outgoings. If they can’t compete at the top level with what’s left in the coffers, that’s just too bad. These are simply the consequences of cheating your way to success.

Finally, if – and only if – these conditions are satisfied, then everyone else in Scottish football can agree to see the new club as a continuation of the old Rangers, albeit with a break in its history from the time to which the suspension is backdated up until it resumes trading as a suitably penitent and chastised member club. It could then legitimately include its forty-odd titles in its honours roll while acknowledging a period of misconduct which is a colossal stain on its history but which it also apologises for, condemns and undertakes never to repeat.

The consequences for Scottish football in this scenario would be that a line could finally be drawn under the entire episode. Honour would be restored all around and a fresh start would finally be possible.
By:
Outpost
When: 10 Nov 15 10:39
these celtic fans just won't give up until rangers get stripped of titles won on the pitch.

it's unbelievable to hear them talk about integrity when celtic haven't won anything for the last 40 years without the help of match officials, the SFA and Glasgow City Council.

All their dodgy goings on are conveniently overlooked as celtic fans make the usual allegations against rangers, pretending that it's them who get help from refs.

this has nothing to do with integrity.
rangers were dumped in the bottom division so that celtic could have a free run at champions league money.

now that rangers are almost back in the SPL, they desperately want to take away some of their titles because they can't accept not only that celtic are second best in scotland but that rangers only win matches on the pitch and not with the help of friends working behind closed doors.
By:
chelters16
When: 10 Nov 15 18:45
Outpost a thick hun....end of.
By:
FULLY123
When: 11 Nov 15 22:34
Who is HENRY CLARSON brac??
Maybe you can expand on his stature
within Scottish football/journalism.
CQN magazine is that republican propaganda?
The SFA had no rules in place so how
can the famous Glasgow Rangers break them?
By:
Westender
When: 12 Nov 15 08:55
Celtic FC fans focussing obsessively on Glasgow Rangers FC and took their eyes right off the ball.

Here is the reality for Celtic Fans

1. Doughnut Delia in charge - the man should be a head clown at the circus at best.
2. The best current player Lee Griffiths a failed player mainly sub at 3rd tier Wolves at the time he played there.
3. Empty stadium.
4. Consistent European humiliation by gash sides.
5. No trebles even without Rangers FC being competitive after demotion.
6. Top players being sold to small clubs in England.
7. The worst of all - absolute zero ambition at Board level.

Rangers are rising and Celtic have failed as a club on and off the park.

Surely Celtic fans will not be happy winning a Micky Mouse League without Rangers with all Dog and Duck teams in it.

Hello Hello
By:
brac
When: 13 Nov 15 15:24
DEar oh dear what is the lying King OnCrazyCrazyCrazy

He is making threats to go after all and sundry(threats its the sevco way when things go against them)legal challenges et all, in response to what should be a forgone conclusion THE REMOVAL OF TITLES DUE TO SUSTAINED CHEATING BY THE CLUB THAT DIED OF SHAME RANGERSCool

This is in contrast to this interview he gave about saying sorry back in 2012

What King said three years ago..

DAVE King issued an impassioned defence of Rangers yesterday against the snipers he believes are trying to rewrite his club’s history.

King warned Scottish football if they go down the road of stripping Rangers of titles won in the EBT years he’ll go after them in court. The Ibrox chairman’s attack lit the blue touch paper but his statement is in stark contrast to an interview he gave the Daily Mail in 2012.

In the story, published before the initial verdict on the big tax case, King admitted that if Rangers lost then the club would have “probably gained some competitive
advantage” and would owe the “Scottish footballing public an apology”.

Here’s what he said in June 2012 just after the SPL ruled Rangers had a case to answer over the alleged use of dual contracts.

King said: “I think we should be sorry – and I certainly am sorry. We owe both the Rangers fans and the Scottish footballing public an apology. Some of the representations made have betrayed more of a victim status. But I think somebody needs to apologise.

“Clearly, that is not for Charles Green to do. But I am happy to say I believe we should be saying sorry and I think there is something to be sorry about.

“And as a former director when these things were going on, I am minded to do so. With regard to EBTs, I was on the board so I take some responsibility. And I follow the logic of the argument that if we lose the tax case then we probably gained some competitive advantage.

“I believe, on behalf of myself and most board members who were with me, we should apologise for that. The Murray Group might not say that because it might be tantamount to admitting it.

“But I am happy to say it as a director of the club. It is absolutely appropriate for the previous regime to be sorry.”

Insisting there was no deliberate attempt to gain a competitive advantage from the use of EBTs, King added: “No one on the board when I was there would have had any intention of gaining an advantage.

“But I can understand the perception out there now.

“And the way Rangers have treated the authorities – instead of having a
conversation with them around reparation – has been regrettable. One of the things I would have looked at as part of a consortium is to try and fund them so that they could make some sort of commercial reparation to the other clubs.

“But let’s do it in a way whereby it is seen to have happened and we come out of it strongly.”
By:
brac
When: 13 Nov 15 15:26
Lying King the gift that keeps on givingLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh
By:
Platini
When: 13 Nov 15 15:51
King and his cronies are panicking, the statement tells you that. He knows that in today's age of freedom of information, social media pressure and fan power, the powers that be can't be relied on to protect their crimes being exposed anymore.
By:
Gerbs
When: 13 Nov 15 17:00
what do you expect from the GASL Mischief


An appeal against the bulk of the tax debt was dismissed last October. In a devastating judgment, the court said King "has no respect for the truth and does not hesitate to lie ... if he thinks it will be to his advantage.

"He is a mendacious witness whose evidence should not be accepted on any issue unless it is supported by objective evidence.

"In our assessment he is a glib and shameless liar."
By:
chelters16
When: 13 Nov 15 18:12
Im afraid freemasonry aint what it used to be...........thank God.
By:
Westender
When: 13 Nov 15 19:22
No surrender Dave King
By:
akabula
When: 14 Nov 15 14:13
No surrender right enough Westender.
No chance of the stripping of titles as there is no legislation to facilitate it.
Good though to see the usuals seething. Laugh
By:
akabula
When: 14 Nov 15 14:16
Surprised no one questioning the tax avoidance scheme that players joined immediately on signing on at Parkhead. Shocked
By:
akabula
When: 14 Nov 15 14:18
Sporting integrity?
Where was that when septic lied about their end of season tour of Japan forcing Rangers to play 4 games in 1 week and effectively gifting septic the title.
By:
akabula
When: 14 Nov 15 14:21
At least Dave King and the other directors are putting cash into the club as soft loans ie interest free. These loans are irretrievable and will be converted into stock at a future date.
Surprised no one champing about the £9m loan septic have which is paying certain well known individuals £554k per year in interest.
By:
brac
When: 15 Nov 15 13:17
Dear oh dear Aka returns from his visit to the ??? and goes straight into full on seetheLaughLaughLaugh

KIngs lies and has no money(get used to having your son pay for your season ticket AkaLaughLaughLaugh)

Outright cheating for a decade but the corrupt SFA have no appatite to upset the exbears (if they do cue bomb threats and the likeCrazyCrazyCrazy)

Common sense applied no one can argue they cheated and did have a sporting advantage(even Lying KIng said that --- then he changed his mindLaughLaughLaugh)
King the gift that keeps on giving

Dig deep ex bears dig deepCool
By:
akabula
When: 15 Nov 15 14:11
Get a life brac yer obsessed. LaughLaughLaugh
By:
sofiakenny
When: 15 Nov 15 14:41
vroom vroom beep beep.
By:
akabula
When: 15 Nov 15 14:47
Don't you mean peep peeps. Shut it or I 'll pay ye another visit. Laugh
By:
sofiakenny
When: 15 Nov 15 15:17
Did you drive single or double deckers?..or maybe baith?Laugh
By:
akabula
When: 15 Nov 15 15:20
No need for me to drive sonny that's the wifes job.
You still got the moped? Laugh
By:
akabula
When: 15 Nov 15 20:29
Douglas Park returning to the Ibrox board.
Exposes another lie from the plastic oirish guy.
Yet another piece in the jigsaw.
We're on the road back.
By:
akabula
When: 16 Nov 15 16:37
The plastic oirish guy must be doin a Christmas special. Laugh
How's Lord Livingstone doin? Laugh Hows the tax evading 'film scheme'doin. Laugh
Great to see the timothys seething. Laugh
By:
trilby22
When: 16 Nov 15 17:28
Brac still seething green foam of envy with his obsession over the famous Glasgow Rangers Laugh

Gie it a rest laddie for there are plenty more important things going on outside your wee abode Cool

Meanwhile, I'll have a ton on Ireland to win tonight @ 8/5 - c'mon Oirland Excited

Je suis Paris Sad
By:
akabula
When: 16 Nov 15 19:51
GL with yer bet trilby. Looks nailed on for an ROI victory. Be very surprised if they don't win. 2-0 looks good.
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