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Straight red...Am I the only one that saw Nani kick out on the way down, although he missed the intent to cause further injury was their? ....Dangerous play imo and a well considred decision by the officials.
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the defender was too brave for his own good both lads had their eyes focused on the ball,a yellow should of been the call.
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when i first saw it thought yellow, saw it again and its not clever. watching ssn this morning and they are listing laws ( as well as character assasination of ref ) and think ref has got it right.
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Retired referee Dermot Gallagher on BBC Radio 5 live: "[The decision was] harsh to say the least, but in fairness the Real player did Nani no favours whatsoever. At worst Nani catches the underside of his arm, certainly not the ribs as the guy has gone down and shown.
"I can't reiterate enough that he [Nani] is watching the ball over his shoulder, there was no malice in him. At worst it was a yellow for dangerous play, but if I was refereeing that game I cannot see by what stretch of the imagination I would have sent him off for that." |
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defo straight red,nani was leading with his studs into the players mid rift compleatly missing the ball,no excuse ferguson can have no complaints about that why hes moaning is beyond me
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There's no point discussing the rights and wrongs of the Nani incident as the other threads have done it to death.
However, I am surprised that so many people seem to think 'dangerous play' of this kind now equates to a straight red. Accidental collisions happen countless times a match which could be construed as potentially dangerous but go unpunished. Every time a player raises his arms jumping for a header, raises his boot to block a cross or a goalkeeper going for a punch and missing. None of these should be red but this new broad interpretation of dangerous play some people seem to think is now in the law would result in 3/4 reds per game. Thankfully mot refs don't take the same view. |
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thought it should have been a yellow but its not as bad a decision as the press seem to be making it out to be
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Albeol should have gone for an intentional straight leg high challenge on Evra but was only yellow carded,yellow should have been the call,M Utd were reasonably comfortable at the time,no way 10 v 11 at this level and I,m no M Utd supporter.
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"no way 10 v 11 at this level and I,m no M Utd supporter."
Didn't Chelsea have Terry sent off last year and still go through? Perefctly possible and the really good sides rise and feed off these adversities. We just went to pieces - cannot believe how poor we were in the 10 minutes or so after this. |
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I got to admit, Real Madrid were robbed, I thought Rafael should have been sent off too, even Graham Poll said so aswell.
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you're watching it in slow motion and think you are seeing something that isnt there...Nani is colliding with Arbeloa the moment he realises he's there, anything that happens in the split second between that and hitting the ground is just instinctual self-protection and not premeditated
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berto77 nose
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Liverpool 1 Man Utd 2 - Shelvey sent off 'controversially', Utd win with a ropey penalty decision.
Chelsea 2 Man Utd 3 - Ivanovic & Torres sent off 'controversially' Man Utd 1 Real Madrid 2 - Nani sent off 'controversially' What goes around, comes around! |
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Kung Fu Nani.
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say Nani was a goalkeeper and the player ran into his outstretched leg when jumping for the ball 99 times out of a hundred Nani gets the free kick
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OP - you are correct ... dirty fooker.
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SSN showing similar incidents in the PL which were red cards. I don't think intent has anything to do with it, nor was there any. I don't think something like that should be allowed to ruin the biggest game of the season so far and ought to be a yellow only. But under the rules I don't think nani can complain. European refs have always treated certain offences differently but even PL refs have sent players off for very similar offences.
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The rules regarding 'dangerous play' does not mention 'accidental/intentional'. Penalty for a 'dangerous play' is a red card and the referee applied the rule the way he saw it. He didn't rush his decision and I am sure he discussed it with the linesman before showing the red card.
In EPL big teams usually get away with murder so I was shocked and couldn't belief what happened. There is no doubt in my mind that was a good decision and fair play to him not bottling him. |
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regardless of whether it was a red card or not,
the manner in which he gave it was very bizarre. He is obviously listening to someone on his headpiece, he then waits for Nani to get up, during this time both sets of players try to influence his decision. Out of nowhere he then issues a red card. I wonder if he would have sent Nani off if he was stretchered off  I also wonder who really made the decision as we have seen this happen lots of times now where they seem to consult with someone before dishing out reds. |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4NQsphCWQY
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^^^ Have to admit it looks worse there from the different angles. Ref got it spot on.
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The sad thing is that instances like this just show how thick and emotionally driven the majority of this country is (or at least footy fans). Sad
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Surely the despicable act in this scenario is the action of Rio F. He blatantly aplauded the ref, so near was he that he almost touching the refs face. Should face some retrespective action.
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Anybody who is a true football fan knows that this was never a red. Majority of those complaining either never watch games besides on ITV and so know nothing about the sport or simply lack the intellectual ability to see how it wasn't a red.
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Sorry Flying you were talking rubbish last night and you still are. The vast majority think it was at the very least foul and yellow card with many falling between a yellow and a red. The rules clearly say it should be a red card and that is what he got. What you are talking about is misguided. And we are not all non football, Man Utd hating back seat viewers.
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Anybody who is a true football fan knows that this was never a red. Majority of those complaining either never watch games besides on ITV and so know nothing about the sport or simply lack the intellectual ability to see how it wasn't a red.
On the contrary anyone who watches any amount of continental games will know reds are given regularly for that kind of challenge. Certainly nobody can say they've never seen someone sent off for something similar before now. |
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anyone who tought that was a red knows nowt about the game just like that idiot roy keane,,and i hate man utd
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=km8FEOISmXg Check out the Van Persie one.
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Crazy response from boyce,implying that people don't know the rules.In an interview with P Collina,UEFA's ref watcher at the game,and one of the best refs. over many years,was under no doubt whatsoever that the ref. got it right.
The phone-in after the game was a joke,supporters saying English refs. are the best around,yet slag them off every week.The comments were very racist,questioning the abilities of a Turkish guy to be handed a big match,suggesting that he couldn't be up to the job. Meanwhile ,when callers supported the ref's decision,they were accused by the presenter of the show on 1089 radio,of just trying to be smug!!!!How stupid can you get! A reminder to United supporters of the inept performance of Clattenburg at Stamford Bridge earlier in the season,deciding Torres had dived,2nd yellow,and sent off.No complaints there from United supporters,although their player admitted afterwards that he clipped Torres. It is always a shame when there is a red,and a team is down to ten men,but no good bleating about this one,as it was correct. |
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The compere also took calls from supporters claiming Roy Keane should stand by United.In other words forget that he is well paid to give HIS VIEWS,just side with his ex paymaster on everything,even if wrong.
I wonder why some of these callers phone up when they spout a load of tosh. |
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if Nani had performed the same manoeuvre and controlled the ball with Arbeloa 20 yds up the pitch, not a single person would be claiming it was potentially dangerous play ...therefore the rules as they were interpreted last night penalise misfortune rather than intent, which is silly...what with 'ball-to-hand' incidents routinely being called 'stonewall penalties' these days, i really cant see the point in me making any further emotional/financial investment in a game which is being reduced to a lottery.
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If Nani had done that off a football pitch he would have been arrested for assault. He was lucky just to be sent off. He should be banned for at least as long as Joey Barton. And as for Rio and his clapping like a seal in the refs face... he should never be allowed to play football again. Ferguson should be stripped of his knighthood for continually not talking to the media when they lose.
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Add to that Ryan Giggs being exalted as a fantastic guy,conveniently forgetting his attrocious betrayal.
No doubt about his footballing abilities over many years,but as a person,NO WAY. |
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Duncan what's that got to do with it? If a defender slides in foot up with no opponent within 20 yards that wouldn't be potentially dangerous either. Fact is if your foot is that high and makes contact with an opponent you risk getting a red.
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the point is it reduces it luck, whether there's someone there or not...Nani didnt have eyes in the back of his head so if he's lucky and there's no-one there he controls it and not an eyelid is batted...but if he's unlucky and defender is there, red card...but he's making the same movement, so it has to be as potentially dangerous either way if he doesnt know
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If Nani thought he was in the clear why the extravagent move to bring the ball down. That is not the usual move by anyone during the match. He should have let it bounce or control it nerer the ground. I suggest he knew full well Arbeola was coming nd tried to claim it before he arrived but completely misjudged it.
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