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Nani Sending Off
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Point still stands. If a defender slides in and studs the ball out for a throw with the nearest opponent a couple of yards away there's no issue. If there's another player on the end of the challenge it becomes a problem.
It's the making contact with the opponent that's all important. If that raised foot had kicked 6 teeth out is Arbeloa just unlucky to be in the wrong place at the wrong time or does the fault lay with Nani for having his foot raised that high in the first place? |
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How the hell is he going to let it bounce! It was 6 foot in the air.
It was a perfectly natural way for a player with his talent and athleticism to bring the ball down. He looked round earlier to see if there was a Real player near him. If he thought there was he would have tried to win it with this head. In fact he wouldn't haven't made that move for the ball with his leg out in midair if he knew there was a player behind him as he would have been vulnerable to being clattered. |
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the ref is not receiving much criticism anywhere other than the UK and SSN. People seem surprised but a red card was appropriate under the rules. I don't think that a contest should be ruined by something like nani's challenge and in that sense the red card is harsh, but that is an issue with the rules rather than with the ref. ref made the correct decision under the rules, a brave one against a home team and one that is consistent with previous treatment of those challenges. He is a very experienced ref, sent terry off against barca last year, has reffed istanbul derbies etc.
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I thought it was on the way down. Goodness me my mistake. And won it with his head? He lunged at it and would never have reached it with his head. You look at it again and try to tell me that doesn't look cynical.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4NQsphCWQY Watch this at 1m 38 seconds and tell me that doesn't look dangerous. |
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Intent is immaterial. The law is quite clear, if his challenge endangers an opponent, he has to go. Just because people get away with acts of reckless endangerment in England, doesn't mean they shouldn't know the law and how it is applied when they're not kicking lumps out of each other in the EPL.
Howard Webb not sending off De Jong in the World Cup final was a similar case. I don't often feel sorry for that blind bald moron, but people have been doing similar things in England since time began. He thought such behaviour was routine, when everyone in the rest of the world outside england knew that it was tantamount to an assault. The really horrible part of all this is the implied racism about the referee - he's a Turk, therefore what can he know about football? It stinks, Nani was stupid, how comes no-one has asked him why he would take such a flagrantly stupid risk in a game of such importance. And it also allows Ferguson to avoid the most pertinent question of all. What the **** wasa he doing leaving his best player on the bench? |
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Can't compare De Jong to the Nani incident. That was an assault!
If that is how the laws are interpreted, any goalkeeper punching a crossed ball when there are players within a yard or so (i.e. all the time)should be sent off. |
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And, ban any overhead/bicycle kick also. Maybe, ban any boot above waist height.
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Disgraceful behaviour from the Mancs. Should be banned from euro comps for 5 years.
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Dangerous play haha the plucky Spaniard rose from the flames like a Phoenix. Good on him for shaking off a terrible challenge so fast.
Seen it all before, 5 pens v Barca, RVP Sending off, Terry off, all English clubs v Spanish, strange that. JM won the match last night with the Modric sub but then it shouldn't have got to that point. |
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lol terry off - what sport permits you to do what he did? Rollerball, perhaps. Moron.
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I now see that Rooney's spectacular overhead kick goal versus City the other year should actually have ben a red card for dangerous play
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it certainly should.
unless in the opinion of tjhe referee the "bycicle kick" posed no danger to anybody. |
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No doubt all you fools talking about 'dangerous play' being a straight red and that 'intent is irrelevant' agree that Ashley Williams should have been sent off for kicking the ball, accidentally, against van persies head.
By the 'letter of the law' the ref can only give its handball if its deliberate (of which about only 1% are). The truth is that referees interpret the laws of the game. The ref last night was entitled to send off Nani but anyone who understands football knows a yellow card would have been sufficient. |
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to be fair to the ref i believe that they've been instructed to disregard the intent element.
this just goes to show how out of touch with football the legislators are. anybody whose got any idea about the game would probably deem that as accidental, part of the game, yellow for his carelessness.but the legislature have decided that it dosen't matter whether it's accidental, or on purpose the sanction will be the same [which is ludicrous in the extreme], and referees who don't issue a red will be marked down. imo this raises a very important question. who are these lawmakers legislating for? the fans don't want it reffed that way, neither do the players. it seems to me that they sit there dreaming up interpretations of existing laws in order to give themselves something to do, and a sense of self importance. |
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Good point mex. I think they've clearly acted in the interests of fans in terms of the changes to the back pass and offside rule (ie favour the attackers and stop ruling out 30 years screamers if a lazy striker couldn't be bothered to get back on side). But in relation to fouls they can't seem to distinguish between thuggery and accidental collision in what just about remains a contact sport.
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mexicano, "who are these lawmakers legislating for?"
Listen to the interview given by Graham Poll to talksport and you will understand the reason for this law. They are trying to reduce the injuries to players! It will take time but players will learn not to take any risks. EPL referees will be forced to apply this rule as well. They changed the offside rules (made it more complex) so that we get more goals. It took time but it's working now and getting more goals. According to UEFA, last night's referee is favourite to get the Champions League Final match. If he didn't show the red card last night he would have been punished. |
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Celtic player doing his best to stand on Buffon's feet so that he couldn't jump up for the high cross into the area,and the Juve defender doing his best to get between them,trying to give Buffon a view of the cross,yet our pundits said it was shameful refing when the Celtic player was warned.Our pundits and commentators need to grow up and learn that not everything a British club does against a foreign club is within the rules just because they often get away with it on a Saturday afternoon.I agree some of them are very racist in their views of the opposition,and wrongly always strongly support the British club come what may.
The view that foreign teams,unless it is Barca,don't know what they are doing is so short sighted. These "pundits" and commentators,should always be neutral,and speak the truth,not fabricate. Listen to how the mikesmiths scream when Rooney gets the ball in a bit of space. |
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A very valid point that the refs can't distinguish between thuggery and solid tackles. Few appear to understand the game.
I think a lot of the rules are implemented to make it easier for the ref - to take away any judgement or discretion. |
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If interpreting the rules correctly then a red card, intent is irrelevant as per what the rules state. However and a big however at that some rules can be made by fools allegedly. To me intent should be in the rule and up to the referee the way he sees it. If the rule included intent then the ref may well have awarded a yellow card. Rules need to be looked at and amended imo.
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JamDav1982 06 Mar 13 17:33 Joined: 03 Jul 04 | Topic/replies: 6,461 | Blogger: JamDav1982's blog Mar 6, 2013 -- 5:30PM, This is for BIG Players only wrote: Dangerous play haha the plucky Spaniard rose from the flames like a Phoenix. Good on him for shaking off a terrible challenge so fast. Seen it all before, 5 pens v Barca, RVP Sending off, Terry off, all English clubs v Spanish, strange that.JM won the match last night with the Modric sub but then it shouldn't have got to that point. You just ignore all the big decisions that have gone for English clubs against Spanish then Name me 5 game changers? Or how many players have been sent off from Barca/RM over the years v english clubs? |
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Good sensible post Mex.
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jed.davison 06 Mar 13 17:33 Joined: 16 Mar 11 | Topic/replies: 474 | Blogger: jed.davison's blog lol terry off - what sport permits you to do what he did? Rollerball, perhaps. Moron. Yeah ok bad example when my point is every English player gets done for varying offences where as B/RM get none or are you naive enough to think UEFA has no agenda? |
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JD82 you can add the Man U Barca semi final 2008 (2nd leg)
Scholes pulls Messi down in the first half in the penalty area Pen and straight red Not given Scholes scores 1-0 Man U qualify |
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In Europe it`s a red whereas in the Prem it`s a yellow at worst.Refs in other countries aren`t as lenient as ours.
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And also how would Man U fans reacted if it had been the other way around? They`d have been baying for blood.
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Doubt it. No-one expected a red.
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propunter1
Date Joined: 22 Dec 05 Add contact | Send message 06 Mar 13 18:32 Joined: 22 Dec 05 | Topic/replies: 825 | Blogger: propunter1's blog mexicano, "who are these lawmakers legislating for?" Listen to the interview given by Graham Poll to talksport and you will understand the reason for this law. They are trying to reduce the injuries to players! It will take time but players will learn not to take any risks. EPL referees will be forced to apply this rule as well. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- so ; in the near future can we expect goalkeepers punching the ball,and players attempting overhead kicks to be deemed as dangerous play, and the appropriate action taken? not to mention a player going up to head a football when somebody is close enough for a clash of heads to occur? |
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JamDav1982
06 Mar 13 18:57 Joined: 03 Jul 04 | Topic/replies: 6,462 | Blogger: JamDav1982's blog Mar 6, 2013 -- 6:53PM, This is for BIG Players only wrote: JamDav198206 Mar 13 17:33Joined:03 Jul 04| Topic/replies: 6,461 | Blogger: JamDav1982's blog Mar 6, 2013 -- 5:30PM, This is for BIG Players only wrote: Dangerous play haha the plucky Spaniard rose from the flames like a Phoenix. Good on him for shaking off a terrible challenge so fast. Seen it all before, 5 pens v Barca, RVP Sending off, Terry off, all English clubs v Spanish, strange that.JM won the match last night with the Modric sub but then it shouldn't have got to that point.You just ignore all the big decisions that have gone for English clubs against Spanish thenName me 5 game changers? Or how many players have been sent off from Barca/RM over the years v english clubs? Five decisions that have gone against Spanish for English teams? 1. Higuain goal wrongly disallowed last night - the forearm smash against RVP? Also play stopped. 2. Man Utd offside goal vs Barcelona in final - Very marginal, talking about half a leg if at all 3. Messi stonewall penalty turned down against Arsenal at Nou Camp - don't remember, take word for it 4. Messi goal wrongly chalked off for offside against Arsenal - the one at Arsenal when already a goal up? 5. No red card for Ballack elbowing Iniesta at Nou Camp - take your word for it You also seem very quiet on Barca/RM players sent off, is that because there isn't one?  |
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Five big decisions that went against Spanish teams is what you asked for and I named them easily.
There are plenty more - penalty at home for Barcelona turned down against Chelsea, soft red for Abidal against Chelsea, handballs x2 against Arsenal at Emirates, Raphael punching ball away from the line last night, John Terry wrestling Valdes and referee gives goal etc. |
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There is no conspiracy. People just forget the ones that go their way.
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correct
no conspiracy. merely widespread ineptitude. |
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These things even happen to Jose and Real Madrid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATCdVve85GU |