ridiculous comment wildman.
the language of the racist always shows the same pattern.
and your language seems to show that pattern.
maybe it was Danny rose that started the Wenger paedo chants ?

I wasn't talking to you!!

I notice that almost the second after Wickham has tapped the ball into the net and jogged away, not even looking at the fans and before Rose has got anywhere close to them, objects come flying past him from the crowd. Perhaps that's Rose's fault too.

missread that

i think there are more racial threads on betfair than serious betting discussions...

policemen should not be allowed to have tatoos

Serbian FA have said there was no racism and that Rose acted in a "vulgar" manner.

From Paddy Power!

Who ?    What?      Fine?
Porto    Racism     £16,700
Spain    Racism     £45,000
Croatia  Racism     £10,000
Bendtner Lucky Pants £80,000

Serbia    ?              ?

A bit farcical that flashing your kex can equate to more of a fine than 3 acts of racism put together!

if some newcastle fans started racist abuse i'd hope they would be caught and fined, and that the club took a closer look without financial burden in first instance

Blackborneo IMO.

So just to clarify, wildman still hasn't replied to Biscuit?

As this was one of the few cohesive arguments challenging his views (which for arguments sake, I oppose), I find this very interesting.

I obviously stand corrected if I have merely missed the response.

maybe cameron will treat him to a choc bar

"Danny Gabbidon, Nathan Blake and Robert Earnshaw were abused during Wales's Euro 2004 qualifier against Serbia and Montenegro in Belgrade. "It was disappointing to hear what the lads had to contend with," Wales's then-manager Mark Hughes said. "Whether it was the whole stadium or just a minority is not the point. It's wrong in any form and just not acceptable." During the previous night's Under-21 contest between the same countries in Novi Sad, the Wales goalkeeper Jason Brown was targeted for similar abuse. "It's sad in this day and age, and it disappoints me that it can happen," Brown said "

theres something very weird going on in the use of language in football :  for some years this word has been getting used more and more.   
Disappointment - thats what you feel when you fail to make the play-offs. It's mild.
If someone picks on you for your colour - or any other thing that makes you different to most people - they're telling you your scum.

Biscuit1979 asks what I mean by the get out of jail card and was their racist chanting.
When England scored they charged over to the Serbian fans gesturing and gesticulating,that was wrong,the worst offender was Danny Rose who lost control and got himself sent off,he them exacerbated the situation by further gestures whilst walking to the sideline.
The English FA then to deflect from their players disgraceful behaviour played the get out of jail card,we are entitled to do what we like because we were racially abused,if the English players exacted some physical retribution the same defence would be used.
I was asked what team I support and it's Reading,a Reading team that were known as the biscuit men not the Royals I am hopeful that Biscuit1979 might be a fellow Reading supporter.

Rose was sent off
Charging over to the home fans punching the air is provocative,booting the ball into the stands the same.

An open letter to Michel Platini from Paul Hayward, journalist at the Telegraph and a view I happen to share...

Dear Monsieur Platini

Here come the English again with their outrage, their righteousness. Is that what you think? Even as the reports of revolting racial abuse pour in to your HQ beside Lake Geneva, are you rolling your eyes and marvelling at the mother country’s inability to see that John Terry’s treatment of Anton Ferdinand places her in no position to be lecturing the rest of Europe?

Or perhaps, among your staff, you are reciting the mantra of trickle-down tolerance, of nations acquiring racial harmony at different speeds. We know that you and Fifa’s Sepp Blatter, who thinks racist insults between players can be settled later with a “handshake”, believe football is a civilising force. By magic, the xenophobes and bigots will ingest the Uefa’s unifying rhetoric and stop their monkey chants.

But we bring bad news, Mr President. It’s not happening. England’s Under-21 game in Serbia on Tuesday night was not a football match at all. It strayed as close to any recent game has come to a lynching.

Danny Rose, a young Englishman who summoned the courage to stand up to a racist mob, was subjected to a sustained attempt to strip him of his humanity, before, during and after the game. The aim of parts of the Serbian crowd was to relegate him to the animal kingdom, to destroy his dignity and render him incapable of playing the game whose values you are entrusted to uphold.

Or consider the case of Bolton’s Marvin Sordell, another black England Under-21. At Millwall on Oct 6, Sordell reported racial abuse by some home fans. His reward was to be depicted on Facebook with a gun pointed at his head and blood splattered across his shirt. In Krusevac, Sordell was among black England players who were abused and attacked under your jurisdiction, beneath Uefa’s banner of “respect”.

A good short exercise would be to close your eyes and imagine how Sordell feels today. Racially abused in London on club duty, he claims, and racially abused on national service in Serbia, which must have been terrifying, given the general lawlessness around the ground. He could have no faith in Serbian officials or the police to protect him. Like Rose, and the whole England party, he was abandoned. He was betrayed.

In Uefa’s ‘11 values’, you say: “Respect is a key principle of football.

“Respect for the game, integrity, diversity, dignity, players’ health, rules, the referee, opponents and supporters. Our message is clear: zero tolerance against racism, violence and doping. Football unites people and transcends differences. The colour of the skin is invisible under the jersey and, for Uefa, this will always be so. Racism and any other forms of discrimination will never be tolerated. Uefa will not tolerate violence either on the pitch or in the stands. Football must set an example.”

In 2007, England Under-21s were racially abused in a game against Serbia. You fined the Serbian FA £16,500. Here are some of the other risible penalties you have meted out for similar offences: Slovakia (2002), £18,000; Macedonia (2003), £16,500. Croatia (2008) £10,000. Bulgaria (2011) £34,230.

There is no need to go on, except to remind you that Denmark’s Nicklas Bendtner was fined £80,000 for pulling down his shorts to reveal a bookmaker advert at Euro 2012. And Manchester City were hit for £24,740 for delaying the start of a Europa League second-half.

You must see the anomalies here. Surely you must understand why non-racist football fans regard you as supine, indifferent, detached and – finally – complicit in these crimes. Why complicit? Because powder-puff fines are a direct encouragement to monkey chanters and racist bawlers. The perpetrators know their national federations will not suffer beyond a minor financial reprimand.

“Two stones hit me in the head when I went to get the ball for a throw-in and whenever I touched the ball there was monkey chanting,” Rose said.

“After 60 minutes my mind wasn’t really on the game, I was just so angry. It was just so hard to concentrate and I could have cost the lads the game because I made a few mistakes through not concentrating. My mind wasn’t on the game.”

Are you willing to tolerate this? Do you really believe enlightenment is on the march in European football? This is not a uniquely eastern scourge. At Euro 2012, racial abuse was recorded at Spain v Italy as well as Russia v Czech Republic. As we know, a former England captain has been suspended and fined by the FA for using racist language against a fellow Premier League pro. England’s Under-21 coach and senior team caretaker, Stuart Pearce, admits (and regrets) racially abusing Paul Ince back in their playing days.

So this is not about English piety or Uefa politics. It is about a generation of black footballers being told by bigots they are outside the human family. It is the world of the 1930s. The current trial of the Bosnian Serb warlord Radovan Karadzic alone should alert you to the dangers of passivity in the face of organised ethnic hatred.

With your leniency and bureaucratic obfuscations you are refusing to fight this necessary war. Officials in countries where racism is widely expressed are laughing at you and fans across the continent think you are failing in your duty of care.

Federations will act only when they have something big to lose. Points deductions and suspensions from competitions are now unavoidable.

Just read what Danny Rose had to go through at work on Tuesday night, and then work out which side you are on.

provoking them further?

He stuck his thumbs up at the crowd, it's ahardly giving them the bird is it?

He was thoroughy hacked off and who can blame him.