3rd world Pikeys of Europe

I don't think wildman is fishing.

quite like wildman too, not sure about the rest of you muppets

Stuart Pearce taking the moral high ground
probably secretly loving all the monkey chants

It shows how brainwashing works when someone with a different viewpoint is automatically assumed to be fishing.
I shudder to think of Stringers definition of race

Biscuit1979     Joined: 16 Nov 10
Replies: 32771 17 Oct 12 12:33 
This 'wildman from borneo' is either fishing or Sinisa Mihaljovic has a betfair account.

lol you actually think "serbs" are a race?

serbians are SLAVIC PEOPLES, just like in croatia, some bosnia, macedonia etc

it's not brainwashing to strongly disagree with your viewpoint wildman.

a kind and gentle man, to quote himself

My point exactly,Mr Eboue incapable of independent thought.

Good afternoon WMFB.

I see you are trying to educate the footy forum now, good luck..

read wildman's comments from last night, he made it all up

lfc, not to mention the only man in Europe who thinks last night was caused by Danny Rose!

wildmanfromborneo 16 Oct 12 22:25 
Danny Rose goes over to the Serbian fans to provoke them,then gets involved in a fracas gets sent off but he has his get out of jail card just claim to be racially abused.

wildmanfromborneo 16 Oct 12 22:49 
That thug should never be let play for England again.

wildmanfromborneo 16 Oct 12 23:25 
Rose was sent off but presume the referee is a racist.
Trying to provoke home fans is also perfectly acceptable as is calling Serbs all sorts of vile names but then you are allowed be racist against Serbs.




The reason i think you're fishing is because of the above comments. Saying Rose has played the get out of jail card by claiming to be racially abused. Have you actually seen any of the footage? The racial abuse can be heard loud and clear. Then you call him a thug, when from what i can see his only crime was to boot the ball into the air. And as for provoking the home fans, if your team has been abused for 94 minutes and you score a last minute goal to seal qualification to a major tournament, are you seriously telling me you think the players should've just shrugged their shoulders and trotted off to the dressing room.

Agree with you Regular Fries but it is brainwashing when someone cannot understand somebody having a differing one.

actually Stringer the Slavic people have a common gene so yes they could be classified as a race

but then you are allowed be racist against Serbs.

Judging by the photos - looks like Steve Wigley got into a fight with an overcoat

Danny Rose goes over to the Serbian fans to provoke them,then gets involved in a fracas gets sent off but he has his get out of jail card just claim to be racially abused.

this was'nt the case last night.. but this goes on in a massive scale..

he didn't say slavic people you - he said "serbs"

as if the serbians are a race (lol)

they are a country

the reaction of rose is understandable. young blacks these days are not going into turn the other cheek to this type of abuse like earlier generations of english players did

r0y

type [q.] before whatever you want to quote and [/q.] after it

take the dots out



[q] before whatever you want to quote and [/q]

Football crowds use vile chants in lots of games,your point seems to be because of the racial element in it exonerates the incitement and loss of control,it doesn't.

lol doesnt work any more

wenger gets called a peado every week... dont see national uproar about that...

to intimate someone is an animal because of the colour of his skin is racist.
to suggest that people acting like fascists are sub human scum is not racist.
let us just clear that up.

that's clearly too much for some people to understand brngtwt

if the serbs think racism puts off rose, he will get it worse on his return

of course it doesnt excuse it, but there isnt much we can do with our history




its like the ex smoker protesting about a bit of smoke

Kingmax Wenger is not a member of the group that must be protected because people like brngtwt deem them to be somehow inferior and need special protection.

ridiculous comment wildman.
the language of the racist always shows the same pattern.
and your language seems to show that pattern.
maybe it was Danny rose that started the Wenger paedo chants ?

wildmanfromborneo 16 Oct 12 22:25
Danny Rose goes over to the Serbian fans to provoke them,then gets involved in a fracas gets sent off but he has his get out of jail card just claim to be racially abused.





Still waiting for you to explain this comment. Are you saying Rose made up the racial abuse claims?

Oct 17, 2012 -- 12:53PM, Biscuit1979 wrote:

wildmanfromborneo 16 Oct 12 22:25 Danny Rose goes over to the Serbian fans to provoke them,then gets involved in a fracas gets sent off but he has his get out of jail card just claim to be racially abused.Still waiting for you to explain this comment. Are you saying Rose made up the racial abuse claims?

no, but lots do.

borneo, are u sayin a crowd like last night should be allowed chant/sing anything at a match and nothing be done about it?

I wasn't talking to you!!

had rose kicked the ball and caused an injury to some serbian kid (however unlikely that is)
would he have a defence ?

i reckon he'd be banged up and amnesty international would be mounting a rescue

I notice that almost the second after Wickham has tapped the ball into the net and jogged away, not even looking at the fans and before Rose has got anywhere close to them, objects come flying past him from the crowd. Perhaps that's Rose's fault too.

jesus now because they threw things its because his black?

missread that

Freddiek no but it doesn't give players the right to go over and incite the crowd which is what Rose did,he then lost his temper got himself sent off and further incited the crowd on his way to the sideline.That this behaviour is deemed acceptable here is a surprise,all players should be able to control himself.
Stringer definitions of race vary and England has wide definitions to sate the race relations industry,Irish travellers are given special status there that they can't even get in Ireland.

i think there are more racial threads on betfair than serious betting discussions...

Police tazered a blind man with a white stick

policemen should not be allowed to have tatoos

nor policewomen

Serbian FA have said there was no racism and that Rose acted in a "vulgar" manner.

In a statement on their website, the Serbian FA said: "(The) FA of Serbia absolutely refuses (sic) and denies that there were any occurrences of racism before and during the match at the stadium in Krusevac.

"Making connection between the seen incident - a fight between members of the two teams - and racism has absolutely no ground and we consider it to be a total malevolence."

From Paddy Power!

Who ?    What?      Fine?
Porto    Racism     £16,700
Spain    Racism     £45,000
Croatia  Racism     £10,000
Bendtner Lucky Pants £80,000

Serbia    ?              ?

bentner is an idiot and wont advertise for them again without permission

A bit farcical that flashing your kex can equate to more of a fine than 3 acts of racism put together!

terry got 200k and that was on the balance of probability

if some newcastle fans started racist abuse i'd hope they would be caught and fined, and that the club took a closer look without financial burden in first instance

wildman, as a matter of interest which club side do you support ?

Blackborneo IMO.

Serbia v England, 2007 Under-21 European Championship

Serbian fans' monkey chanting of England's Nedum Onuoha was so obvious that the stadium announcer in Nijmegen appealed for them to stop. After Matt Derbyshire struck a late goal to make it 2-0 to England, Serbian players, who believed play should have been stopped due to an injury to Slobodan Rajkovic, reacted angrily and much aggressive jostling ensued. The acrimony continued after the final whistle, and it was alleged that England's Justin Hoyte was racially abused in the tunnel by opponents.
Punishment The Serbia FA was fined £16,000 for "the racist chanting of supporters and the improper conduct of their players". England were fined £2,000 for taking part in the brawl. After Serbia went on to reach the final, Uefa ordered the referee to stop the match if there was any repeat of racist chanting.

Serbia v Wales, and Serbia Under-21 v Wales Under-21, August 2003

Danny Gabbidon, Nathan Blake and Robert Earnshaw were abused during Wales's Euro 2004 qualifier against Serbia and Montenegro in Belgrade. "It was disappointing to hear what the lads had to contend with," Wales's then-manager Mark Hughes said. "Whether it was the whole stadium or just a minority is not the point. It's wrong in any form and just not acceptable." During the previous night's Under-21 contest between the same countries in Novi Sad, the Wales goalkeeper Jason Brown was targeted for similar abuse. "It's sad in this day and age, and it disappoints me that it can happen," Brown said afterwards. "I will have to consider whether I ask the FAW to complain on my behalf." The FAW did file a formal complaint.
Punishment The FA of Serbia & Montenegro was fined £11,000 for "the racist conduct of its supporters".





Hardly a deterrent is it?

So just to clarify, wildman still hasn't replied to Biscuit?

As this was one of the few cohesive arguments challenging his views (which for arguments sake, I oppose), I find this very interesting.

I obviously stand corrected if I have merely missed the response.

Rio Ferdinand has expressed concern over the reaction to the events of last night's England under-21 match in Serbia in light of recent problems in the Premier League.

Serbian fans are accused of making racial taunts at England players, including Danny Rose, during last night's Euro 2013 qualification match.

Among those to have condemned the scenes is David Cameron, whose spokesman said the Prime Minister was "appalled" at what he had seen.

Ferdinand took to Twitter following the statement from the government.

"Has our prime minister just spoken on this U21 saga? Get our own house in order 1st on this issue b4 we start taking the moral high ground," wrote the Manchester United defender.

The comment would appear to indicate Ferdinand thinks there is work to be done in England to counter racism, particularly in light of the John Terry trial, in which the Chelsea captain was found guilty by the FA of using racist language to abuse Rio's brother Anton.

Terry was found to have used the words "black c**t" towards the QPR defender at a Premier League game at Loftus Road during October last year.

Terry was fined £220,000 and banned for four matches - a punishment many found derisory considering Luis Suarez' eight-match ban for abusing Patrice Evra.

Ferdinand's manager Sir Alex Ferguson said following the Terry verdict: "The fact he (Terry) got a four-game ban, he may consider that is quite lenient considering Luis Suarez got eight."

It has also been pointed out that fans would face life-time bans if found guilty of using racist language on the terraces.

The Prime Minister, along with Sports Minister Hugh Robertson and Professional Footballers' Association chairman Clarke Carlisle have called for Serbia to be severely punished.

The Serbian FA deny any racial abuse occurred during the match.


Rio is such dickhead, comparing last nights incident to what happened on the pitch recently in the epl. He owes danny rose an apology.

maybe cameron will treat him to a choc bar

English FA

8 match ban for foreigner accused of racism

4 match ban for native lad accused of racism

WHO ARE THE RACISTS

How can you ban someone for racism in the first place if u state  in your own report that they are not racist but that they used racist language ...... a bit like he stole the wallet but he's not a thief

"Danny Gabbidon, Nathan Blake and Robert Earnshaw were abused during Wales's Euro 2004 qualifier against Serbia and Montenegro in Belgrade. "It was disappointing to hear what the lads had to contend with," Wales's then-manager Mark Hughes said. "Whether it was the whole stadium or just a minority is not the point. It's wrong in any form and just not acceptable." During the previous night's Under-21 contest between the same countries in Novi Sad, the Wales goalkeeper Jason Brown was targeted for similar abuse. "It's sad in this day and age, and it disappoints me that it can happen," Brown said "

theres something very weird going on in the use of language in football :  for some years this word has been getting used more and more.   
Disappointment - thats what you feel when you fail to make the play-offs. It's mild.
If someone picks on you for your colour - or any other thing that makes you different to most people - they're telling you your scum.

What we need is a great big melting pot

Biscuit1979 asks what I mean by the get out of jail card and was their racist chanting.
When England scored they charged over to the Serbian fans gesturing and gesticulating,that was wrong,the worst offender was Danny Rose who lost control and got himself sent off,he them exacerbated the situation by further gestures whilst walking to the sideline.
The English FA then to deflect from their players disgraceful behaviour played the get out of jail card,we are entitled to do what we like because we were racially abused,if the English players exacted some physical retribution the same defence would be used.
I was asked what team I support and it's Reading,a Reading team that were known as the biscuit men not the Royals I am hopeful that Biscuit1979 might be a fellow Reading supporter.

"gesturing and gesticulating"

"players disgraceful behaviour"

1) Please state exactly what "gesturing and gesticulating" you think the player's were guilty of as I have seen the clip numerous times and am interested to hear what you are accusing the individuals involved of.

2) With regards to your comment of "players disgraceful behaviour", your hyperbolic description of events needs seriously moderating (in my opinion).

Rose was sent off
Charging over to the home fans punching the air is provocative,booting the ball into the stands the same.

Celebrating a goal and a victory, nothing more.

Football fans dish it out but get a fit of the vapours if someone sticks it back at them (and no I'm not talking Cantona attacking a man in the crowd, which was a wholly different issue)

An open letter to Michel Platini from Paul Hayward, journalist at the Telegraph and a view I happen to share...

Dear Monsieur Platini

Here come the English again with their outrage, their righteousness. Is that what you think? Even as the reports of revolting racial abuse pour in to your HQ beside Lake Geneva, are you rolling your eyes and marvelling at the mother country’s inability to see that John Terry’s treatment of Anton Ferdinand places her in no position to be lecturing the rest of Europe?

Or perhaps, among your staff, you are reciting the mantra of trickle-down tolerance, of nations acquiring racial harmony at different speeds. We know that you and Fifa’s Sepp Blatter, who thinks racist insults between players can be settled later with a “handshake”, believe football is a civilising force. By magic, the xenophobes and bigots will ingest the Uefa’s unifying rhetoric and stop their monkey chants.

But we bring bad news, Mr President. It’s not happening. England’s Under-21 game in Serbia on Tuesday night was not a football match at all. It strayed as close to any recent game has come to a lynching.

Danny Rose, a young Englishman who summoned the courage to stand up to a racist mob, was subjected to a sustained attempt to strip him of his humanity, before, during and after the game. The aim of parts of the Serbian crowd was to relegate him to the animal kingdom, to destroy his dignity and render him incapable of playing the game whose values you are entrusted to uphold.

Or consider the case of Bolton’s Marvin Sordell, another black England Under-21. At Millwall on Oct 6, Sordell reported racial abuse by some home fans. His reward was to be depicted on Facebook with a gun pointed at his head and blood splattered across his shirt. In Krusevac, Sordell was among black England players who were abused and attacked under your jurisdiction, beneath Uefa’s banner of “respect”.

A good short exercise would be to close your eyes and imagine how Sordell feels today. Racially abused in London on club duty, he claims, and racially abused on national service in Serbia, which must have been terrifying, given the general lawlessness around the ground. He could have no faith in Serbian officials or the police to protect him. Like Rose, and the whole England party, he was abandoned. He was betrayed.

In Uefa’s ‘11 values’, you say: “Respect is a key principle of football.

“Respect for the game, integrity, diversity, dignity, players’ health, rules, the referee, opponents and supporters. Our message is clear: zero tolerance against racism, violence and doping. Football unites people and transcends differences. The colour of the skin is invisible under the jersey and, for Uefa, this will always be so. Racism and any other forms of discrimination will never be tolerated. Uefa will not tolerate violence either on the pitch or in the stands. Football must set an example.”

In 2007, England Under-21s were racially abused in a game against Serbia. You fined the Serbian FA £16,500. Here are some of the other risible penalties you have meted out for similar offences: Slovakia (2002), £18,000; Macedonia (2003), £16,500. Croatia (2008) £10,000. Bulgaria (2011) £34,230.

There is no need to go on, except to remind you that Denmark’s Nicklas Bendtner was fined £80,000 for pulling down his shorts to reveal a bookmaker advert at Euro 2012. And Manchester City were hit for £24,740 for delaying the start of a Europa League second-half.

You must see the anomalies here. Surely you must understand why non-racist football fans regard you as supine, indifferent, detached and – finally – complicit in these crimes. Why complicit? Because powder-puff fines are a direct encouragement to monkey chanters and racist bawlers. The perpetrators know their national federations will not suffer beyond a minor financial reprimand.

“Two stones hit me in the head when I went to get the ball for a throw-in and whenever I touched the ball there was monkey chanting,” Rose said.

“After 60 minutes my mind wasn’t really on the game, I was just so angry. It was just so hard to concentrate and I could have cost the lads the game because I made a few mistakes through not concentrating. My mind wasn’t on the game.”

Are you willing to tolerate this? Do you really believe enlightenment is on the march in European football? This is not a uniquely eastern scourge. At Euro 2012, racial abuse was recorded at Spain v Italy as well as Russia v Czech Republic. As we know, a former England captain has been suspended and fined by the FA for using racist language against a fellow Premier League pro. England’s Under-21 coach and senior team caretaker, Stuart Pearce, admits (and regrets) racially abusing Paul Ince back in their playing days.

So this is not about English piety or Uefa politics. It is about a generation of black footballers being told by bigots they are outside the human family. It is the world of the 1930s. The current trial of the Bosnian Serb warlord Radovan Karadzic alone should alert you to the dangers of passivity in the face of organised ethnic hatred.

With your leniency and bureaucratic obfuscations you are refusing to fight this necessary war. Officials in countries where racism is widely expressed are laughing at you and fans across the continent think you are failing in your duty of care.

Federations will act only when they have something big to lose. Points deductions and suspensions from competitions are now unavoidable.

Just read what Danny Rose had to go through at work on Tuesday night, and then work out which side you are on.

on national service in Serbia, which must have been terrifying, given the general lawlessness around the ground

ffs

if it was terrifying why go and provoke them further .....

provoking them further?

He stuck his thumbs up at the crowd, it's ahardly giving them the bird is it?

shows how terrified he was all the same

He was thoroughy hacked off and who can blame him.

agreed, but clearly not terrified

@wildmanfromborneo

"Rose was sent off"

"Charging over to the home fans punching the air is provocative,booting the ball into the stands the same"


1) "Rose was sent off" .....for a second bookable offence.  If the referee deemed the action to be "disgraceful behaviour" (as you laughably suggest) then he does have the option to still issue a straight red. 

2) "punching the air is provocative" .....if you think kicking a 420g circular object filled with air in the direction of a crowd is "disgraceful" / "provocative" then I would love to hear your thoughts on the objects (let alone chants) coming the other way.  If you (and your agenda) feel the need to bring the word "provocative" to the argument, then it would be beneficial to not forget which party instigated these un-savoury scenes.

A question to you - If you were Mr. Platini, what action (if any) would you have taken with regards to the match on Tuesday night in Kruševac?

Read this on one site:

"Goalkeeper Jack Butland had, amongst other things, a seat and a brick thrown at him. Despite showing the objects to Turkish match official Huseyin Gocek nothing was done, he was simply told to get on with the game and it was to Butland’s immense credit that he kept his wits as well as a clean sheet."


Terrible that the ref just turns a blind eye. Then again he was Turkish so he's probably used to firebombs going off during their games.

Biscuit1979 for a man worried about racism you are kind of racist against Serbs and Turks.

How exactly?

Please go back through this thread and copy and paste where you believe i've been "racist against Serbs and Turks"

dont worry about wildbore aka dark rosaleen,it is known on the irish forum as the cross dressing attention seeking forumite who used to hound the irish forum pretending to be a woman until it was exposed

Hope that prat never goes to the Madejski. We don't need fans like him.

Would have thought you needed all the fans you could get you miserable sod

Lol at Liverpool. Your fans are only about five years more advanced than Serbia's. Living on past glories, singing about Man United and Thatcher and just getting over your biggest embarrassment of a neanderthal manager "King Kenny !! YAWN.

sorry, just dont like people posting and expecting a pat on the back, its tiresome

I only ever attended Elm Park and as I have returned to Ireland it is unlikely I will ever attend the new stadium?
Biscuit1979 I am unable to copy and paste but I did qualify my statement with the words kind of.
The one thing I find about liberals is they are most illiberal when it comes to differing views,also they are used to no opposition and when I came on with a different opinion it was assumed by many that I had to be fishing,after democracy tyranny

@wildmanfromborneo

"The one thing I find about liberals is they are most illiberal when it comes to differing views"

With regards to the above, it's only biscuit1979 and myself (although many other good points have been made) that have both offered differing opinions to yours and given you the opportunity to respond by asking you a question (which you either ignore or refuse to answer) where as you have belligerently ploughed ahead with your own agenda, offering only statements and no questions in return.....I think this is why it is suggested you are fishing. 

I don't agree with militant liberalism and many left-wing views (I voted Conservative) but I think the issue of racism (and this particular issue of Tuesday in Serbia) has very little to do with "Politics" and a lot more to do with "Humanity"

I think Robd270 you are correct, it is a question of humanity,basic good manners if you like. But i think it is understandable that Serbia are looking at Britain and asking can they really be critical of us. There is also a word for that...hyprocy

spelt it wrong i guess!

Racist behaviour isn't tolerated in Britain, so I don't think it's hypocritcal for the FA and government to call for action against the Serbs in this instance.

Look many things are tolerated in Britain that wouldnt be elsewhere,we dont see other countries saying they want England banned.

Robd270 its a lot more than two,I accept I am in a minority here.
What question did I not answer and I don't accept I am belligerent,you will see no name calling or swearing in my posts.

Hes not answering your questions

i hope he dosnt start getting belligerent

I for one am not at all surprised by the racism shown by the Serbian fans. It happens time and time again. They are all the same these countries over there. They are all the same. Racist. I think their problem is that they are full of foreigners.

i think its the wrong type of foreigner marychain

have anyof you met any serb? i have met many. and they are the most arrogant people while remaining the most uneducated and backward people i have ever met. I am not slightly surprised at their hooliganism and racism.

Presumably you've met every Serb then?

Personally I have met many arrogant and uneducated black people, but I would not dream of labelling blacks as a group to be arrogant and uneducated.

Oct 19, 2012 -- 12:09PM, marychain1 wrote:

Personally I have met many arrogant and uneducated black people, but I would not dream of labelling blacks as a group to be arrogant and uneducated.

well, if your personal experiance is like this, can you explain why you wouldnt dream of labelling blacks as a group to be arrogant and uneducated?

i went to croatia , on holiday, whilst the war was on, they didnt like the serbs

colonel11, The British, Germans,Americans,Japanese,Ethiopeans,etc etc have all been considered arrogant.Such is life

Of course all of these people have also been considered backward(except perhaps the British!)

i maybe should have mentioned the French,they can be really arrogant!

Oct 19, 2012 -- 12:25PM, lfc1971 wrote:

colonel11, The British, Germans,Americans,Japanese,Ethiopeans,etc etc have all been considered arrogant.Such is life

i have met people from all these countries and they are not as arrogant as many serbs that i met

Im Quite sure the French would disagree,they dont always have kind words about us

btw my point is not to argue about arrogance, my point is, from my personal experiance in that country, i am not surprised to the slightest by the level of racism that was on display.

im not saying i necessarily doubt it,but i am always suspicious of common beliefs