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By:
time-to-tip
When: 10 Apr 12 20:16
2-0 pool too, goals galore
By:
VillaDEMON
When: 10 Apr 12 20:16
Barca will get at least 4 in this game!
By:
JOCI Club
When: 10 Apr 12 20:27
Start Bank £10.00

001 Sheff Weds v Oldham 0.5+ goals £10.00 @ 1.05 [3-0]
002 Go Ahead Eagles v Dordrecht 0.5+ goals £10.47 @ 1.03 [4-2]
003 Spurs v Norwich 0.5+ goals £10.76 @ 1.04 [1-2]
004 Young Boys v Lausanne 0.5+ goals £11.17 @ 1.06 [1-3]
005 Emmen v Telstar 0.5+ goals £11.81 @ 1.04 [0-2]
006 Malaga v Racing Santander 0.5+ goals £12.27 @ 1.05 [3-0]
007 St Pauli v Union Berlin 0.5+ goals £12.85 @ 1.05 [2-1]
008 Mainz v Koln 0.5+ goals £13.46 @ 1.05
009 Barcelona v Getafe 0.5+ goals £14.10 @ 1.02

That's it for me tonight...no other qualifiers!

Will be looking at tomorrow's fixtures now. Good luck all.
By:
dickiebyrd
When: 10 Apr 12 20:44
2-0 barcelona now could be anything in the 2nd half
By:
dickiebyrd
When: 10 Apr 12 20:53
do we take 1.13 on over 2.5 in the barca game?
By:
pagy36NR
When: 10 Apr 12 20:53
I made predictions for bundesliga 2:
aachen v bochum = 2,5
aue v paderborn = 2,6
frankfurt v ingolstadt = 2,7
karlsruhe v dresden = 3,7
mun1860 v duisburg = 3,5
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hope i did it correct and I understand the formula
By:
JOCI Club
When: 10 Apr 12 21:06
Agree with all those except frankfurt v ingolstadt which I make 3.6 (but I will double check now).
By:
pagy36NR
When: 10 Apr 12 21:09
Karlsruhe - two 0:0 in this season, one home, one away, both with bochum (last 08.04.12)
Dresden - no 0:0 away
mun1860 - detto
duisburg - one 0:0 away
By:
JOCI Club
When: 10 Apr 12 21:09
Yes, I get 3.6 - could you have used FSV Frankfurt's stats instead of Eintracht Frankfurt for the home side?
By:
dickiebyrd
When: 10 Apr 12 21:13
this ssystem to be fair is sensational my friend
By:
time-to-tip
When: 10 Apr 12 21:17
munich 1860 is my bet from bundes 2 tomorrow.
By:
VillaDEMON
When: 10 Apr 12 21:18
good luck with that but Im not going near that team again! Never seen a team so bad in my life!
By:
JOCI Club
When: 10 Apr 12 21:18
Tomorrow's qualifiers (in start time order):

Eintracht Frankfurt v Ingolstadt 3.6
Karlsruher v Dynamo Dresden 3.7
TSV 1860 Munchen v MSV Duisburg 3.5

Breda v Heracles 3.0

Hannover v Wolfsburg 3.8
Roda v Feyenoord 3.6

Valencia v Rayo Vallecano 4.1

Man City v West Brom 3.5
Wigan v Man Utd 3.3
Wolves v Arsenal 4.8

Heerenveen v Ajax 4.8
By:
JOCI Club
When: 10 Apr 12 21:20
dickiebyrd 10 Apr 12 21:13 
this ssystem to be fair is sensational my friend


I think it has to be judged over a long period of time.
By:
pagy36NR
When: 10 Apr 12 21:22
joci, yes, i did mistake on that data (fsv/eintracht) It is 3.6
By:
JOCI Club
When: 10 Apr 12 21:28
Start Bank £10.00

001 Sheff Weds v Oldham 0.5+ goals £10.00 @ 1.05 [3-0]
002 Go Ahead Eagles v Dordrecht 0.5+ goals £10.47 @ 1.03 [4-2]
003 Spurs v Norwich 0.5+ goals £10.76 @ 1.04 [1-2]
004 Young Boys v Lausanne 0.5+ goals £11.17 @ 1.06 [1-3]
005 Emmen v Telstar 0.5+ goals £11.81 @ 1.04 [0-2]
006 Malaga v Racing Santander 0.5+ goals £12.27 @ 1.05 [3-0]
007 St Pauli v Union Berlin 0.5+ goals £12.85 @ 1.05 [2-1]
008 Mainz v Koln 0.5+ goals £13.46 @ 1.05 [4-0]
009 Barcelona v Getafe 0.5+ goals £14.10 @ 1.02

Bank £14.36

010 Karlsruhe v Dynamo Dresden 0.5+ goals £14.36 @ 1.06
By:
time-to-tip
When: 10 Apr 12 21:35
Ajax works on my system too, what about PSV's game?
By:
JOCI Club
When: 10 Apr 12 21:54
Only 2.3 prediction for PSV game.
By:
time-to-tip
When: 10 Apr 12 22:00
wow that's surprising. 4th against 9th, PSV highest goal per game ratio, not had a 0-0, Wajiwick (or however you spell it) also have not had a 0-0, 18 goals in last 5 meetings. I've got no dutch matches anyway
By:
time-to-tip
When: 10 Apr 12 22:06
And schalke vs Nurnberg should have a goal
By:
woo man
When: 10 Apr 12 22:12

Apr 10, 2012 -- 9:20PM, JOCI Club wrote:


dickiebyrd 10 Apr 12 21:13  this ssystem to be fair is sensational my friendI think it has to be judged over a long period of time.


This 'system' is onl really valid over 50 - 100 games, as the odds are 1.02 etc
I like the idea, but you will not pick 50 games in a row not to be 0-0, and will eventually lose it all

By:
woo man
When: 10 Apr 12 22:12
For example Real Madrid v Valencia
By:
pagy36NR
When: 10 Apr 12 22:14
and that is the why the bank will be divided.
By:
time-to-tip
When: 10 Apr 12 22:15

Apr 10, 2012 -- 10:12PM, woo man wrote:


For example Real Madrid v Valencia


Don't get me started on that...

By:
Flash1966
When: 10 Apr 12 23:18
JOCI, sent you message on here, please read..or do you prefer e-mail
By:
JOCI Club
When: 10 Apr 12 23:18
woo man - I agree with what you're saying in principle. The system has to be proved better than chance, and if you're backing 1.05 shots (on average) then you'd expect to get a run of 20 correct. Anything more than that and it's likely you're outperforming 'chance'.

However, to avoid the 'wipeout' scenario you talk about, the aim is to split the bank after a certain point e.g. after the original bank has been doubled, to ensure you're not risking all on a single game.

Going back a while, I did one or two of these and managed to get 5 or 6 banks going and managed a couple of good runs by not risking all. Then, you just have to be disciplined.
By:
JOCI Club
When: 10 Apr 12 23:20
Start Bank £10.00

001 Sheff Weds v Oldham 0.5+ goals £10.00 @ 1.05 [3-0]
002 Go Ahead Eagles v Dordrecht 0.5+ goals £10.47 @ 1.03 [4-2]
003 Spurs v Norwich 0.5+ goals £10.76 @ 1.04 [1-2]
004 Young Boys v Lausanne 0.5+ goals £11.17 @ 1.06 [1-3]
005 Emmen v Telstar 0.5+ goals £11.81 @ 1.04 [0-2]
006 Malaga v Racing Santander 0.5+ goals £12.27 @ 1.05 [3-0]
007 St Pauli v Union Berlin 0.5+ goals £12.85 @ 1.05 [2-1]
008 Mainz v Koln 0.5+ goals £13.46 @ 1.05 [4-0]
009 Barcelona v Getafe 0.5+ goals £14.10 @ 1.02 [4-0]

Bank £14.36

010 Karlsruhe v Dynamo Dresden 0.5+ goals £14.36 @ 1.06

All 9 games have so far delivered 1.5+ goals, and 8 of 9 have delivered over 2.5 goals. 4 out of 9 have had 3.5+ goals.
By:
time-to-tip
When: 10 Apr 12 23:27
What do you aim to split the bank at?
By:
JOCI Club
When: 10 Apr 12 23:31
Initially, when I reach £20 (double my start bank), which should be around bet 18 at the current rate of things.
By:
dimebar8
When: 10 Apr 12 23:32
not bad 43.6% increase on initial bank. I think £30 would be good to split, keep the original £10 as reserve and use the £20 to carry on then when you get the £20 up to £50 reserve another £10 so you have doubled initial investment and have it "stored" then carry on with the £40 etc
By:
JOCI Club
When: 10 Apr 12 23:34
Might consider that.
By:
JOCI Club
When: 11 Apr 12 09:17
I added another couple of features / calculations to the spreadsheet last night after a brainstorming session with the Lord of Goals, as an extra couple of checks to my original selection methodology. If all three confirm a bet. then those will be the strongest selections going forwards.

I applied these to the Budesliga2 games from yesterday, and was interested to find that for the Braunschweig v Greuther Furth game (ended 0-0), one of the new calculations came out with a prediction that there was a 21.3% chance of a 0-0 result. This was much higher than the other games in the league that day e.g. Fortuna Dusseldorf v FSV Frankfurt only 4.4%.

The Lord of Goals and I both thought that was interesting (even if no-one else does) Happy.

Of my two original qualifiers from the Bundesliga2 today, namely Karlsruhe v Dynamo Dresden and TSV 1860 Munchen v MSV Duisburg, the predictions are as follows:

Karlsruhe v Dynamo Dresden - prediction 3.7 goals (4.6% chance of 0-0)
TSV 1860 Munchen v MSV Duisburg - prediction 3.5 goals (2.0% chance of 0-0)

So one has a higher total goal expectation, but also a higher expectation of a 0-0 result.

time-to-tip - is that maybe why you favour the TSV game?

Incidentally (and at this stage I'm not sure what percentage chance means a 'good' chance), but the following have relatively high chances of 0-0:

Eintracht Frankfurt v Ingolstadt (10.7%)
Erzgebirge Aue v Paderborn (12.2%)

Need to get the head round it a bit more!
By:
pagy36NR
When: 11 Apr 12 09:39
It is interesting.
For e.g. Erzgebirge Aue - Paderborn = the two teams have almost similar stats (data entered in spreadsheet). Aue don't score much at home and Paderborn don't concede many away. Those stats are under league average. Strongly fancy 0-0 or 1-1
By:
time-to-tip
When: 11 Apr 12 10:19
Yup, i dont know how you made the calculation about working out the %, but for me 1860 munchen has the least likeliest of a 0-0
By:
JOCI Club
When: 11 Apr 12 10:51
Tomorrow's qualifiers in approx start time order (goal prediction / chance of 0-0)

Eintracht Frankfurt v Ingolstadt 3.6 / 10.7% - no longer a qualifier
Karlsruher v Dynamo Dresden 3.7 / 4.6%
TSV 1860 Munchen v MSV Duisburg 3.5 / 2%

Breda v Heracles 3.0 / 2%

Hannover v Wolfsburg 3.8 / 2%
Roda v Feyenoord 3.6 / 7.7% - no longer a qualifier

Valencia v Rayo Vallecano 4.1 / 5.3% - now a 'borderline' qualifier

Man City v West Brom 3.5 / 3.5%
Wigan v Man Utd 3.3 / 12.5% - no longer a qualifier
Wolves v Arsenal 4.8 / 1.6%

Heerenveen v Ajax 4.8 / 10.2% - no longer a qualifier

Ath Madrid v Real Madrid comes out with a very high % chance of a 0-0.
By:
JOCI Club
When: 11 Apr 12 10:52
I mean today's qualifiers now, of course.
By:
pagy36NR
When: 11 Apr 12 10:56
oh wow, you did a good job with adding 0-0 percentage prediction
By:
JOCI Club
When: 11 Apr 12 11:00
Only if it proves to be accurate. Wink
By:
dimebar8
When: 11 Apr 12 11:01
does it implement the chance of real madrid having 2 consecutive 0-0's? must effect it in some way atleast... would be surprised if all the names and talent they have they fail to hit the net in 180 minutes between them
By:
JOCI Club
When: 11 Apr 12 11:06
Rather than concentrating on goal scoring power, it looks at defensive ability.

Ath Madrid appear to be very strong defensively at home. They've conceded 0 or 1 goals in 12 out of their 15 home games (8 clean sheets).

Real Madrid have very similar stats away from home.

So, we have two good teams defensively.
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