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By:
SwingingPick
When: 19 Jul 17 15:34
Navarro cannot win -- sorry CJ!
By:
SwingingPick
When: 19 Jul 17 15:35
Yates should respond to Dan martin!
By:
CJ70
When: 19 Jul 17 15:36
Martin goes, that might put the nail in the coffin of the break. Roglic drops the rest of them.
By:
SwingingPick
When: 19 Jul 17 15:36
Not really, only Yates has an interest in Dan, I think.
By:
CJ70
When: 19 Jul 17 15:39
Landa on the front. Now it gets interesting.
By:
SwingingPick
When: 19 Jul 17 15:40
Roglic is a TT rider and they will not catch him on the descent, unless they combine together nicely.
By:
SwingingPick
When: 19 Jul 17 15:41
... and even then it'll be hard.
By:
SwingingPick
When: 19 Jul 17 15:46
Atapuma will not bridge solo to Roglic on the descent/flats, Roglic very  hard rider in the TT discipline.
By:
CJ70
When: 19 Jul 17 15:47
Aru is dead here. If they work together they can end his podium ambitions.
By:
SwingingPick
When: 19 Jul 17 15:49
These are just burns though -- the descent/flats would allow Aru to rejoin Froome group, especially if he gets into a cooperative group.
By:
CJ70
When: 19 Jul 17 15:50
Aru can't descend. If he's not on the wheel of that leading group he's losing time here.
By:
SwingingPick
When: 19 Jul 17 15:50
Market says Roglic and I cannot fault the market -- very strong in the TT discipline and the chase group are not very string so even if they combine he should hold them off -- barring crash/mechanical.
By:
CJ70
When: 19 Jul 17 15:50
Yeah unless Roglic has a problem it's his stage now.
By:
SwingingPick
When: 19 Jul 17 15:51
Aru can descend well-enough and this isn't a rock-dropping descent and turns to power-descent flats riding by the conclusion -- Aru in no trouble in my view.
By:
CJ70
When: 19 Jul 17 15:52
Power descent will hurt Aru more than a technical if he's not in the wheel. Each time he gets dropped he's only with Meintjes who will have the same problem.
By:
SwingingPick
When: 19 Jul 17 15:53
Roglic looks fresh, considering, even if Atapuma makes it across prior to the descent he will not beat Roglic in a sprint, and may get dropped early on the descent.
By:
SwingingPick
When: 19 Jul 17 15:53
Whilst we have been talking his part of the group, anyway.
By:
SwingingPick
When: 19 Jul 17 15:54
This steep section approaching, is not long enough for Aru to suffer a great gap.
By:
SwingingPick
When: 19 Jul 17 15:57
Roglic, the former ski-jump junior world champ -- will he fly for home?
By:
SwingingPick
When: 19 Jul 17 15:58
Bertie caught by Froome group -- reached evens at one point!
By:
SwingingPick
When: 19 Jul 17 15:59
Okay, 18secs for Aru, I think he will rejoin, I take it you don't, CJ?
By:
CJ70
When: 19 Jul 17 16:00
If the GC group are pushing he won't get back on, if they are just sitting he'll get back.
By:
SwingingPick
When: 19 Jul 17 16:00
This bit is a bit technical, but it'll flatten right out later.
By:
CJ70
When: 19 Jul 17 16:01
Bardet pushing, I'll say he's got no chance of coming back.
By:
SwingingPick
When: 19 Jul 17 16:02
Fair enough.
By:
SwingingPick
When: 19 Jul 17 16:06
Top-tube riding from Roglic -- Froome style.
By:
CJ70
When: 19 Jul 17 16:06
Landa back on, so Aru might also get back. Think you maybe right there.
By:
SwingingPick
When: 19 Jul 17 16:08
If they are pedalling along a descent it is a power-descent. Sure there is also a lot of aero -- but look how it's flattening out here...
By:
padlock
When: 19 Jul 17 16:09
Bardet supposed to be superior decender so why isnt he going flat out? Bizzarre
By:
SwingingPick
When: 19 Jul 17 16:09
Actually that's a lot of aero-tuck there from Roglic -- might need to put more work into my descents understanding.
By:
SwingingPick
When: 19 Jul 17 16:10
Padlock, Bardet like other top descenders are daredevil descenders, they require technical, steep descents where they drop like rocks.
By:
SwingingPick
When: 19 Jul 17 16:12
This is the section where they require combing, and they are combining, and the fact that Roglic is top-tubing and pedalling suggests the resistance is just not right.
By:
SwingingPick
When: 19 Jul 17 16:12
Now that Aru didn't make it across on the steeper section, I think he might not make it across now -- Frrome getting a lot of help.
By:
CJ70
When: 19 Jul 17 16:13
What SP said. On this sort of descent it's more TT ability that counts rather than descending, so Bardet might well be the worst out of this group.
By:
SwingingPick
When: 19 Jul 17 16:16
Good call CJ, Aru was in small trouble on the climb and he has turned it into a disater for the GC, Such a small error by not closing that 12secs on teh steep portion of the descent, has allowed the gap o open right up on this flatter sections and he is gone -- game over for Aru in the GC.
By:
SwingingPick
When: 19 Jul 17 16:16
Apologies for the spelling, am watching and typing! Plain
By:
SwingingPick
When: 19 Jul 17 16:17
Actually, I understood this descent quite well, thank you very much -- this is flats riding as far as I'm concerned.
By:
SwingingPick
When: 19 Jul 17 16:19
You can quite easily see that a bigger group combing, and chasing a solo rider could do a fair amount of damage in these final 8, 5, now 4kms...
By:
CJ70
When: 19 Jul 17 16:20
Aru losing a minute here even though he's riding with Martin and Meintjes. Landa did so well to get back on as Aru was right behind him at one point.
By:
SwingingPick
When: 19 Jul 17 16:21
Yes, like you said on the climb, CJ.
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