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19 Jul 17 11:41
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This is the first time in the Tour's past three editions where the Col d'Izoard has been used in the finale or as the summit finish to the stage. Both in the 2014 177km stage 14 edition, and the 200km 2011 stage 18 edition, the Izoard had been used in the middle of the three categorized climbs, not at its conclusion. 

In 2014 Majka won what was regarded as the queen stage, when he attacked the remaining riders of the early 17-man breakaway with some 10kms to-go. The race for 4th-place was won by Pinot when he came home stronger than Bardet after a tough fight between the two FRA riders.

In 2011 Andy Schleck attacked on the Izoard out of the select peloton and with some 60kms to-go, to solo to victory, using satellite teammates up the road. It was a magnificent tactical move by Leopard Trek, and it was a dream day with brother Frank finishing in 2nd-place.

I think it is expected that a large breakaway gets off the front, which is very likely to include Bling as he seeks to cut his difference to Kittel in the Points classification to only 9 points. Barguil was 8/1 at SP and has gone into the outright favourite at 6/1. This is based on his likely involvement in the breakaway for the considerable KOM points on offer, particularly on the summit finish, although perhaps not defending his lead against De Gendt and Roglic so much as neautralizing GC contenders KOM involvement. The GC contenders like in 2011, 2013, and 2015, were involved in the KOM competition, even in 2014 when Majka won it they were involved. GC involvement whilst not surprising, nevertheless can cause a flurry of movements on the classification table and Barguil/SUN are aware that by winning these stages with double points on max points summit finishes, will allow a rider like Froome, upon winning the stage, to close the gap to Barguil to 42 points.

Attacks are likely to be launched by Bardet and Aru, so SKY will maintain a high tempo to prevent attacks from forming. If ALM have a plan it's likely to be the similar approach of their stage 9 ride, with forward satellites for Bardet. This would also match what Leopard-Trek did, so ALM may feel inspired. I think Bardet is looking strong coming into this portion of the race and SKY know it, so am expecting all hands on deck, and hard riding from SKY to give the young FRA rider a tough outing. From Aru I can only envision a very late attack for a handful of secs on the final climb, so whilst a threat, less likely of one than Bardet. I don't see Uran as a major threat at all, although he is riding in career-best form. We may not have seen much from Froome off the front and plenty to suggest some weaknesses, however on the stage 15 where he suffered from his mechanical, the ride to rejoin was impressive and if it was conducted off the front it would have been race-winning, under the right conditions.

In conclusion; the breakaway's chances are less likely on account of SKY monitoring the situation and giving Froome's GC rivals a hard ride. ALM may have something up their sleeve and Bardet should be strong, however I'm convinced Froome is strong-enough to defend any attacks and he will go close, also. Froome to win (9/2 favourite at SP into 7/1) from Bardet (6/1 at SP into 8/1) unless ALM get something big organised for the stage win.

Good luck to all.

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CJ70
When: 19 Jul 17 11:47
Morning, SP. Breakaway is logical today, but I want to see what happens after the intermediate sprint point.

Kittel down already, going to struggle with the TL.
By:
SwingingPick
When: 19 Jul 17 11:51
Morning CJ, yes logical, but I'm not entirely convinced at this point.

I'm a bit excited by the Bling project, but wouldn't want it to come with Kittel abandoning, he looks to be okay, so hopefully will remain in the race.
By:
SwingingPick
When: 19 Jul 17 11:54
Was that Barguil also nvolved in a crash, just got in and managed to put up the thread I had ready to go?
By:
SwingingPick
When: 19 Jul 17 11:57
Looks like 30 riders in the break, some good names, if it's a breakaway win it might be similar to 2014 when Majka won, selections remanants and the toughest rider reaching out. Like I said, I'm not convinced at this point.
By:
CJ70
When: 19 Jul 17 12:01
All depends on where the attacks come from. Contador seems certain to attack after what he's said previously, so it depends where he goes from.

SKY can easily let this one go to 10 mins unless they want the stage, with how close the GC is I think the smart tactic here would be to leave the break go and cancel the bonus points out. Then assess where everybody is and go for the stage on Izoard.

I like Pauwels and Navarro from the break.
By:
SwingingPick
When: 19 Jul 17 12:05
Oh okay -- my apologies -- I have put up tomorrow's stage today. Blush
By:
SwingingPick
When: 19 Jul 17 12:09
...In that case the breakaway now makes much more sense -- Froome mainly gets excited by big stage summit finishes these days.
By:
CJ70
When: 19 Jul 17 12:11
Worst thing is I didn't even realise until you'd said so Laugh
By:
SwingingPick
When: 19 Jul 17 12:13
I think you're just being fair when considering my embarrassment. Blush
By:
SwingingPick
When: 19 Jul 17 12:14
Yes, 10mins looking likely and with the descent into the finish, easy to defend by a breakaway rider.
By:
SwingingPick
When: 19 Jul 17 12:30
Pauwels
Mollema
Roche
Kiserlovski
Frank
Pantano
Castroviejo
Feillu
Gallopin
Chavanel
Navarro
Roglic
Perichon
Moinard
Molard
Minnard
Chaves
Gautier
Bling
De Gendt
Geschke
Atapuma
Van Baarle
Poljanski
Edet
Bettiol
Cink
Wyss
Swift
Voeckler
Gogl
Timmer

32 riders -- Bling and De Gendt off the front!
By:
SwingingPick
When: 19 Jul 17 12:39
Pauwels involved in stages 8 and 15, can't recall he showed anything special. His best result is 13th on GC in 2015 and he finished 2nd to De Gendt last year on that chaotic stage 12 on Ventoux, when coming out of the breakaway. What he has going for him is his hard ride to win in Yorkshire on GC, earlier in the season. If that was a marker, then he is definitely a chance to day.

I'm willing to wait it out for now...
By:
SwingingPick
When: 19 Jul 17 12:40
Just realised that Navarro was involved on that Ventoux stage when in the breakaway, finished 3rd.
By:
CJ70
When: 19 Jul 17 12:42
Have to say that Navarro has been in terrible form so far this Tour but I'm hoping that he's been saving himself for this last week.

Quintana off the front and Kittel off the back already.
By:
SwingingPick
When: 19 Jul 17 12:43
Quintana didn't receive much of a reaction, suggests that SKY do not regard him to be much of a threat, and Rowe didn't have to do much for Quintana to have drifted back in.
By:
CJ70
When: 19 Jul 17 12:43
Contador having a go already.
By:
CJ70
When: 19 Jul 17 12:44
They can give them a good 5 mins or so and not be worried I'd say.
By:
SwingingPick
When: 19 Jul 17 12:44
Last thing we need is a breakaway killer, today.
By:
CJ70
When: 19 Jul 17 12:44
Not good for the breakaway though.
By:
SwingingPick
When: 19 Jul 17 12:45
Not as comfortable as it was looking, that's for sure, but there are some good riders in the break.
By:
SwingingPick
When: 19 Jul 17 12:51
Rowe and Knees cannot maintain the tempo, and with Kiryi there, SKY are monitoring this, but by doing so increasing the speed of the peloton and the gap will continue to come down.
By:
SwingingPick
When: 19 Jul 17 12:52
Bertie needs Quintana -- he wants help already -- not much of a threat, really.
By:
CJ70
When: 19 Jul 17 12:53
Kiry has just killed the peloton. Bad news for Kittel unless he's in a big grupetto.

Not many team mates left for Aru.
By:
SwingingPick
When: 19 Jul 17 12:54
Bertie has three teammates in the break. Gogl, Mollema, and Pentano.
By:
SwingingPick
When: 19 Jul 17 12:55
TFR have killed the breakaway, I fear.
By:
CJ70
When: 19 Jul 17 12:56
Henao gone already, he's been dreadful all Tour. I thought they'd saved him for these last two stages, but no, he's just hopeless at the moment.

Problem with Contador's team mates is Gogl isn't going to last on the climbs and Pantano is feeling bad after crashing yesterday, so he's just got Mollema.
By:
SwingingPick
When: 19 Jul 17 12:57
Mollema will offer great assistance, which would be a shame because he appears to be riding better than Bertie.
By:
SwingingPick
When: 19 Jul 17 13:05
Bertie can try this type of attack all he likes, however the data supports the fact that his form is not there for such a long sustained effort. The only thing it is doing is animating the pace of the peloton led by SKY and bringing it back toward a GC battle.

I think he flounder on the Galibier, but I'm not willing to lay as I respect his pedigree.
By:
SwingingPick
When: 19 Jul 17 13:07
Already so reduced in the peloton...
By:
SwingingPick
When: 19 Jul 17 13:08
Really needed 10mins and a quite peloton for the breakaway, I believe -- we didn't get that with TFR riders in the break for the Bertie bust-out move!
By:
SwingingPick
When: 19 Jul 17 13:12
When the peloton gets this reduced there is almost an onus on those remaning to fight each other.
By:
SwingingPick
When: 19 Jul 17 13:15
Yes CJ, Gogl not much help at all.
By:
SwingingPick
When: 19 Jul 17 13:17
So there's the De Gendt issue, out in the lead with Bling who cannot win the stage.
Then there's the Bertie move, with support up front for him.
There will be attacks on the Galibier in the GC peloton.
By:
CJ70
When: 19 Jul 17 13:19
Problem with this attack from Contador is that nobody is going to work with him in the break if the yellow jersey group are chasing him. So you have Pantano & Mollema having to lead the group all the way to the Telegraf.

Navarro bridged up to De Gendt and Matthews.
By:
SwingingPick
When: 19 Jul 17 13:23
Pinot out.
Leading three only out by some 39secs..
By:
SwingingPick
When: 19 Jul 17 13:26
Pantano will be in it for a long way I believe, I know what you said about his crash but he is natural climber and will offer good assistance, and then Mollema will get the nod to work, even though it can be argued he is going better than Bertie after that stage win. Mollema will be glad to work, though.

How long can they last? Not the entire Galibier, I don't think. So I accept your point that Bertie will eventuall require breakaway support, even on the descent which will have a long stretch of power-descent.
By:
sofiakenny
When: 19 Jul 17 13:29
Good shout with Navarro cj...Grin
By:
SwingingPick
When: 19 Jul 17 13:30
I don't think Navarro looks very good, here.
By:
SwingingPick
When: 19 Jul 17 13:32
Looks like it might be up to 4mins by the bottom of the Galibier for the front of the race to the SKY peloton.
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