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Cardinal Scott
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Wow Eng 1.63 Shocked entirely justified though after 2 Indian horror shows in a row.

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By:
mafeking
When: 13 Aug 18 13:08
still hell of a drop from 2.1 to 1.63 from the last game. nearly half a point
By:
tomtimtum
When: 13 Aug 18 13:29
Kohli back injury must surely have had an effect on that price, if he doesn't play, can see England going off at 1.4 or less
By:
Cardinal Scott
When: 13 Aug 18 13:59
I notice  Pak Aus series is 2 games, all bad news for the format...3 game series are becoming 2 all over the shop. Sad
By:
Garden Of Gulab
When: 13 Aug 18 16:05
long range forecast suggests minimal rain, low 20s* and cloudy

ie a result

* temperature in centigrade, not India's first innings etc etc
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 13 Aug 18 17:12
I am going to stick my neck out and am going to lay Engerland or back India. I just want India to win one good toss and have the best of the weather is all!

India only have Karun Nair as a spare batsman and I can't see him doing much. I would definitely bring in Pant for Karthik. Contrary to popular opinion I did not think much of his keeping either. Umesh comes in for Kuldeep.

My left field would be to fly in Shaw from wherever he is to open in place of Vijay who looks like he couldn't hit a cow on the backside with a banjo.

England ought to stay unchangedish. I would let the bully stew on the sidelines if he is not at her Majesty's pleasure!
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 13 Aug 18 17:18
Cancelled my England lay at 1.51!

Some of you girls are not as stupid as you sound! Prudent financial management! Do not give it back!
By:
Fatslogger
When: 13 Aug 18 21:25

Aug 13, 2018 -- 5:18PM, Whisperingdeath wrote:


Cancelled my England lay at 1.51!Some of you girls are not as stupid as you sound! Prudent financial management! Do not give it back!


I’d lay England all day at 1.51 but wouldn’t be so enthusiastic about 1.6 upwards.

Cross posted from the second test thread -

I’m not usually a big believer in within series momentum, especially in favour of a very inconsistent England side (lots of home tests lost, although not series) but right now it does seem very hard to believe in an Indian win at Trent Bridge. The England batting looks better for Pope, Woakes and Curran being in it and unlike India’s batting, there are quite a few guys you’d think would rate to make runs at least a decent proportion of the time. Even Cook and Jennings might not be total busts all series. With India, while the sample sizes aren’t huge and I do rather rate Rahane and Pujara, the records of all bar Kohli outside the subcontinent are poor. You’ve also got to think that the England pace bowling will continue to outperform the admittedly pretty decent Indian pace. That means you’ve got an awful lot on Ashwin if you lay England and TB isn’t usually very spin friendly.

Other thing is that you can happily wait for England to be 50/3 and still lay at odds on with market love likely to persist.

One other, new thought, is that England’s openers doing badly will be priced in and won’t move the market wheras India starting badly against the new ball, which might not be a given but is certainly likely, will push them out a long way.

By:
Cardinal Scott
When: 13 Aug 18 22:02
India made runs here last tour 1st & 2nd innings and it was a bore draw.   I'm doing OK with my tick nicking, wondering how much I can make merely tick nicking with no position taking at all.  Trent Bridge might be my guinea pig for that.
By:
Cardinal Scott
When: 13 Aug 18 22:20
I notice this venue has a very low draw count historically.  Draw backers beware.
By:
detraveller
When: 13 Aug 18 23:02
CS, Karnataka Premier League starting on 15th. Wtf is that?
By:
mafeking
When: 13 Aug 18 23:03
with this one starting bizarrely starting on a saturday less worry from the ground authorities about wanting a chief exec's pitch lasting 5 days. not gonna sell many tickets in advance for tues or weds
By:
jucel69
When: 14 Aug 18 08:17

Aug 13, 2018 -- 1:29PM, tomtimtum wrote:


Kohli back injury must surely have had an effect on that price, if he doesn't play, can see England going off at 1.4 or less


I used to suffer from backs spasms, and while they are massively painful, once it settles down you are back to 100%
You go from feeling normal to feeling 90 years old then back to normal.
He will have top physios too so we will be fine.
Also Kholi is a tough competitor and hugely proud of his captaincy so it will take more than that to keep him down

By:
tomtimtum
When: 14 Aug 18 14:10
Would love to see Jos keeping wicket and YJB moved up to 4 and Pope down to 5
By:
mafeking
When: 14 Aug 18 14:32
someone should have the bottle to tell him he's gotta give up the gloves whether he likes it or not. test match average of 39 is massively underachieving for his talent and nowhere near good enough for one of england's top 3 batsmen. needs to be nearer 49
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 14 Aug 18 15:34
That makes sense!

Still have Stokes to fit in too! Need a fast bowler though, I mean FAST

and. Spin bowler, well two really!

And two openers, one I hope is Hameed. I hope he resurfaces.

Apart from that we have a great team! In England at least with a Dukes!
By:
Injera
When: 14 Aug 18 17:22
Stokes for Curran would be a disgrace. Stokes for Jennings or Cook understandable.
By:
Fatslogger
When: 14 Aug 18 19:00
Not defending our openers but replacing either of them with a hard hitting lower middle order batsman who bowls pace would hardly improve the side.
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 14 Aug 18 19:11
Why not? We usually lose three quick wickets and the middle order come to the rescue!

I was not advocating a return of the ginger bully to the side but stating my opinion that our best XL would include him!
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 14 Aug 18 19:13
I also think like Botham he us good enough to be in the side on his batting ability alone. Of course like Botham he will not be as good a batsman as he could be!
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 14 Aug 18 19:14
Am I on crack?
By:
Injera
When: 14 Aug 18 20:11
The opener spots are up for grabs. Malan has already been chopped, Jennings is on his second gig and Cook is only there on reputation.

It's become so farcical that anyone could open and do just as well/badly.

I'd be gutted for Curran or Woakes if the bully gets back in at their expense. This is a bloke who has been done for speeding 4 times, mocked a disabled child and been sent home from an A Tour for drunkenness.

Great player though...
By:
DAN1974
When: 14 Aug 18 21:23
Stokes in for Rashid, he didnt bat, bowl or catch at Lords. TB is hardly known as a turner so cant see him having much impact on the game again. Stokes has to play for me, i dont see how anyone else can be dropped other than the openers and they are not going to have a massive re jig of the batting order.
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 14 Aug 18 21:29
valid point but I think he sits this one out. Unfair on the young bloods, unfair on Woakes. Unfair on the team. He was not able to participate this week so too bad. needs to wait for his turn or chance and that would be a good moment for him to reflect on how wonderful Test Cricket is. He must have worked really hard to be as good as he is but he also has a God given talent ( and I am an atheist! ). This whole episode may be good to focuss his mind on his career and his family!

Leave the ginger bully out for this one I say!
By:
Fatslogger
When: 15 Aug 18 22:09

Aug 14, 2018 -- 9:23PM, DAN1974 wrote:


Stokes in for Rashid, he didnt bat, bowl or catch at Lords. TB is hardly known as a turner so cant see him having much impact on the game again. Stokes has to play for me, i dont see how anyone else can be dropped other than the openers and they are not going to have a massive re jig of the batting order.


Would improve the side but I can’t see them dropping Rashid. I’d play Stokes for Curran, purely on cricketing merits (I can see why you’d leave him out for other reasons but he was found innocent) and Moeen for Rashid. The original reasons for picking Moeen as a batsman and part time spinner in 2014, based around not needing a lot of spin in England’s home tests, still obtain. I think they’ll just bring Stokes in for Curran.

By:
Garden Of Gulab
When: 15 Aug 18 22:33
I'm not even sure that they'll do that. They don't need another RFM alongside three others already certain to play, so it makes no sense to drop Curran who provide the sole variation amongst the seamers, and they like to try and keep a balanced attack, otherwise why pick Rashid, so he stays.

If they really have to pick him, and they're under no obligation to, it'd make more sense (to me) to give the WKing to Buttler, sling out Jennings, who is crap tbf, and let Bairstow open.

Just my twopenn'th
By:
Garden Of Gulab
When: 15 Aug 18 22:34
Forgot to add, then let Stokes play for Durham on Friday in T20 and Sunday onwards in a CC game against Glamorgan.
By:
mafeking
When: 15 Aug 18 23:09
they won't give the gloves to buttler but it's so obviously the right decision. bairstow just isn't scoring enough runs to justify him staying behind the wicket
By:
peckerdunne
When: 16 Aug 18 14:06
In some ways they have no choice in picking Stokes.

Not selecting him would send out the wrong message, weird that really.

I would be shocked greatly if Curran was axed.

The Rashid situation is not going to work either.

Moeen will need to play regularly now moving forward or he will consider his options

which will bring him good fortune.

Cooke is done.

Jennings looking cooked.
By:
Injera
When: 16 Aug 18 17:01
Fatslogger
15 Aug 18 22:09


I can see why you’d leave him out for other reasons but he was found innocent.

- Not guilty. Slight difference!
By:
Cardinal Scott
When: 16 Aug 18 19:29
Eng have drifted out, not sure why but THAT IS GOOD!

This has to be my turning point I can't keep drawing reds in what was my GOAT
By:
detraveller
When: 16 Aug 18 21:56
I know why they've drifted. I just backed them.
By:
Cardinal Scott
When: 16 Aug 18 22:03
All Green & Level to the tune of £24 but placed a lay order of £471 with 1 tick offset at 1.69
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 17 Aug 18 05:14
I may not have a bet on this, certainly not ante post as is my usual modus. England are rightly short and it is Trent Bridge but I still believe these sides are evenly matched and a Toss, blue skies and no swing might allow India to make this a safe game although on the evidence of this summer that is most unlikely to happen.

I shall wait for an appropriate opportunity if one does present itself. Otherwise I do not particuarly wish to risk my money. I mean too easy t say England win. If they don't it may be difficult to get your money back.

Stokes does not need to play. Woakes in form, Curran offers a different angle. Stokes has not been fully involved in the process. I want to watch Stokes play cricket but a lesson in missing out with the knowledge that others want his place and are almost as good as him may benefit him.
By:
jucel69
When: 17 Aug 18 05:51

Aug 17, 2018 -- 5:14AM, Whisperingdeath wrote:


I may not have a bet on this, certainly not ante post as is my usual modus. England are rightly short and it is Trent Bridge but I still believe these sides are evenly matched and a Toss, blue skies and no swing might allow India to make this a safe game although on the evidence of this summer that is most unlikely to happen.I shall wait for an appropriate opportunity if one does present itself. Otherwise I do not particuarly wish to risk my money. I mean too easy t say England win. If they don't it may be difficult to get your money back.Stokes does not need to play. Woakes in form, Curran offers a different angle. Stokes has not been fully involved in the process. I want to watch Stokes play cricket but a lesson in missing out with the knowledge that others want his place and are almost as good as him may benefit him.


Same here WD, I've not had a bet yet & may not have one.
Don't really like any of the prices on offer, even as a trade.
The thought of India batting first under leaden skies again doesn't fill me with much enthusiasm.
Especially with this selection of dark dark dukes that are swinging round corners.
Add to that it's at TB where it swings anyway and you could do yer dough in a session.

By:
Fatslogger
When: 17 Aug 18 10:57
I think just lay the draw is the play here. Can’t see it going wrong in the end. Forecast doesn’t look like we lost a lot of time so unless that hardens up and the batting of both sides does likewise this sees a result. I’m contemplating trading tests a lot less and laying the draw fairly hard at the best prices I can get and only trading from strength from then on. Would have saved me many thousands of losses on test cricket last few months and equally importantly won me plenty instead.
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 17 Aug 18 12:51
Yep the current batch of Dukes are a worry. You'd think someone had been sucking Spearmint Imperials!

What people seem to forget is that England could equally be in the position India have found themselves in the blink of an eye. The air is going to be humid and wet. The ball is sure to swing.

I will say this again. It happened in South Africa. India usually batted when the ball was moving or swinging. They have had the worst of it here. Don't be surprised if they turn the tables should they get better condition certainly to bowl in and possibly to bat in.

Having said all that Kohli and his lackey Shastri have got if woefully wrong again. The should have bad plenty more warm up games and they didn't. Both men are responsible for this. The change in weather since the second day at Egbaston gas also been a huge factor but to be fair India are not worth backing today!
By:
mafeking
When: 17 Aug 18 13:21
india should have been annihilated at edgbaston too. england would have won by at least 150 runs if malan could catch

stokes for curran. not what i'd have done. surely you want the left arm variation ?
By:
wondersobright
When: 17 Aug 18 13:27
wouldn't have dropped curran either, in fact its pretty ridiculous tbh with how well he's done
I would have dropped rashid
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 17 Aug 18 13:40
Very tough on Curran but Stokes is a better player. I would have let Stokes sit on the balcony and run the drinks. Let him appreciate what if us to play Test Cricket!
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