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wondersobright
28 May 18 16:20
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early prices...

eng 1.61
pak 4.7
draw 5.8

jennings in the eng squad replacing stoneman

it amazes me how previous test failures and players with a f/c avg under 40 (jennings 34.1 from 100+ matches) keep on getting chances from the douchebags in charge of selection for england

I really have no idea why livingstone, clarke, lawrence etc (who all avg 40+ in f/c and are all young enough to be able improve) haven't got a game yet

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By:
salmon spray
When: 28 May 18 23:09
Jennings is South african so takes priority.
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 29 May 18 07:10
I see this as a Turkey shoot. Both sides have bowlers who could exploit atmospheric conditions should they be helpful and induce swing. The odds discrepancy is again bewildering. Lose one, win one? Maybe.

I think Pakistan look like a well drilled team under Mickey Arthur. They will fight hard even if they are under the cosh. I am going in with a ante post Pak back. Will surrender that if the prevailing conditions and toss demand it. Should good fortune favour Pakistan with the toss and overheads I will then sit back and think of England. I am buying some speakers for my TV with the proceeds of my First Test winnings. I would like to thank Pakistan for not taking a dive and English Cricket in general for being so pathetic.
By:
detraveller
When: 29 May 18 10:09
Asking Pakistan to be good twice in a row might be asking for too much. England are under pressure to perform. And they probably will, especially if they get the right conditions and take their catches.
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 29 May 18 10:45
I wouldn't disagree DT

but like the coin toss it's still 50/50!

My argument is the odds are skewed again, wrongly. If England put Pak in on a green pitch with overheads then I will cash out and take my loss. But...if it is the other way round then happy days! We have weather for first two days by the look of it which will only help swing shirley!
By:
cyclops
When: 29 May 18 15:28
Given that, by most reckonings, England were outplayed in 9 out of 10 sessions,1.62 to win looks to overrate their chances. If you look at their Test record in the past couple of years, to bounce back with a win would be against what you would expect.

If you look at the individual players, confidence ebbs further.

The batting is self-evidently weak. No-one could call this a strong batting line-up, with perhaps only Bairstow a proven heavy scorer who is actually in form (Root, maybe, but he bears the look of a man at odds with himself at present).

But the bowling is even more of a concern, unless the gods deliver a recipe tailored specifically to Anderson's skills. Broad has gone a long time with little to show and being outbowled by all of Pakistan's seamers does not imply that the much talked about action refinements have made any difference.

Wood takes his few Test wickets at over 40 apiece. Everyone likes him but he's not really very good, with a best of 3/39 saying it all.

Woakes is in and out, but more the latter and an unlikely match winner, while Stokes is out of practice. Bess hardly looked an answer to many problems in his overs at Lords.

As Whisperingdeath says, if England insert in conditions likely to resemble Headingly graveyards of the past, then they may well be worthy favourites. But should they bat first in such conditions, or Pakistan bat under cloudless skies on a pitch none too green, I find it hard to see why England will win.

It would surely need huge amounts of rain to bring the draw into play (forecast uncertain at present but not looking too scary).

Weighing up the above, I can only conclude that the 4/1 on offer for a Pakistan win is a steal. I've just taken that though may look to hedge on Pakistan's first innings runs should the scenario outlined above take place.
By:
Injera
When: 29 May 18 18:20
Woakes will play I think. What a kick in the boat that is for Wood.

Root bizarrely told him to bowl bodyline Day 2 morning sesh and then again when Pak needed 20 to win Day 4. The player himself has questioned his exclusion in the Ashes (when pace was needed). 'They didn't think I was fit'.

Bayliss and his entourage should have been sacked before now. Stealing a living.

All eyes on the draw price/weather as usual.
By:
Cardinal Scott
When: 29 May 18 19:45
Eng normally Snap Back after a shocker, even as recently as in NZ
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 29 May 18 20:02
Yes but what if they lose an important toss? Game over?

The thing is Paks have decent bowling attack and have shown the discipline to use their skills. The odds are all wrong. Not saying England can't win but 1.63 against 5.1 is just madness. Market in denial about possible outcomes again God bless them for that!
By:
Injera
When: 29 May 18 20:49
Leeds often good for batting. Root will probably win the toss and insert.
By:
mafeking
When: 29 May 18 20:55
wood struggles to manage back to back tests at the best of times certainly at full pace anyway
By:
detraveller
When: 29 May 18 21:57
I agree with all the analysis about Pak being much superior here. But they are Pak. I don't see how Eng realy beat them but as soon as I put half a k on them, the scenarios start coming to my mind Grin

Basically Pakistan can do anything. They won the Lords test in 2016 and lost the next by 330 runs!

If you are indeed interested in backing Pakistan, now is a really bad time to do that imo. Wait for the game to start and see the market love for England. I got 8s and 6s last test because that is where their price stagnated. It didn't take them long to go from 5s to 7s in between wickets. I am dead sure they trade higher than where they are now before the first English wicket falls.
By:
jucel69
When: 30 May 18 00:42
https://www.bbc.com/sport/cricket/44281297

Look at the graph half way down, 15 inns between 200 & 299 since Oct 2016! 50s and 60s just don't cut it at test level. Root especially has been culpable of not converting.
The high scores were on absolute pancakes in India & in those games India followed up with even bigger scores.
By:
jucel69
When: 30 May 18 04:14
Weather seems overcast but dry, doesn't bode well for two brittle batting sides. Draw lay for me at 5.2/5.3 as it seems the safest option.
By:
jucel69
When: 30 May 18 04:59
1 draw in the last 20 years here & that was rain affected.  Pak have only played here twice in the last 20 years, 1 win (against Aus), 1 loss.
Last played Eng here in 2006 and it was a cracker - Eng 515 & 345 Pakistan 538 & 155
By:
jucel69
When: 30 May 18 05:07
In the last 10 years Eng have only won 2 out of the 9 tests. Surprised by that stat tbh
By:
detraveller
When: 30 May 18 10:33
Can anyone help me understand the cash out(automug) button on betfair?

Let's say I have backed someone at 15(200Euros) and their price is now at 18 to be layed(but only 20Euros available, similarly 20Euros available at 19, 20, 21 and so on). Now I press the cashout button. Does the cashout feature simply place a lay bet(approx 200Euros) at 18? or does it keep matching the prices avalable at 19, 20, 21... till it has reached a state of equal red on both win and loss for that player?

At matchbook, when I press cashout, a lay bet is placed at 18. it waits to be matched. You can see your cashout bet in the unmatched bets.

At betfair, when I press cashout,it automatically gives me auto green/red. This definitely means they aren't just placing one lay bet on my behalf, rather laying with all the available money in the market at whatever prices till I get an equal green/red. True?
By:
jucel69
When: 30 May 18 10:49

May 30, 2018 -- 10:33AM, detraveller wrote:


Can anyone help me understand the cash out(automug) button on betfair? Let's say I have backed someone at 15(200Euros) and their price is now at 18 to be layed(but only 20Euros available, similarly 20Euros available at 19, 20, 21 and so on). Now I press the cashout button. Does the cashout feature simply place a lay bet(approx 200Euros) at 18? or does it keep matching the prices avalable at 19, 20, 21... till it has reached a state of equal red on both win and loss for that player?At matchbook, when I press cashout, a lay bet is placed at 18. it waits to be matched. You can see your cashout bet in the unmatched bets. At betfair, when I press cashout,it automatically gives me auto green/red. This definitely means they aren't just placing one lay bet on my behalf, rather laying with all the available money in the market at whatever prices till I get an equal green/red. True?


yeh that's right, that's why if there is not much liquidity it becomes unavailable or offers a load of sh1te

By:
detraveller
When: 30 May 18 10:51
Hmm. It means I have keep track of each bet placed and cashout manually.
By:
detraveller
When: 30 May 18 10:52
Of course i still kee track of each bet but been using the cashout button on last test knowing it wasn't offering me the same money if i cashed out manually.
By:
jucel69
When: 30 May 18 10:56

May 30, 2018 -- 10:51AM, detraveller wrote:


Hmm. It means I have keep track of each bet placed and cashout manually.


I just turn it off, it can be distracting

By:
detraveller
When: 30 May 18 11:00
Good idea. Do you use a software lie geekstoy? Or just the betfair interface?
By:
peckerdunne
When: 30 May 18 11:11
DET

I used to ignore cash out.It does thieve a little as it only gives from what is in the windows(obviously)and those boxes might not be full in a row..2.02 2.06..

However it has become useful now at times because i can quickly exit the market on a wicket/boundary/drop/DRS....etc

This definitely has saved me once or twice as you don't waste time loading the bet..

Sitting in a que like Matchroom is not exactly a benefit..
By:
detraveller
When: 30 May 18 11:20
The matchbook one has its own benefits, in that it doesn't mug you as blatantly as betfair's. I am sure there are people out there placing bets on markets with low liquidity waiting for an idiot to hit cashout.

I have also used the betfair cashout to 'run' from the market. But the liquidity is what decides. I have seen a varying red on my french open outright without the prices actually moving which is what alerted me to this. I guess on a market like we usually have in cricket, cash out could still be useful. It also gives me an idea of how much I am winning...or for how much im doing my nuts.
By:
Cardinal Scott
When: 30 May 18 11:53
Cashout takes a price doesn't ask for a price
By:
Injera
When: 30 May 18 17:02
Happy to wait for things to unfold and take it from there.

At Lord's Pakistan took 20 wickets, we took 10. The weather was humid at times but pretty decent overrall. No reason at all why Pakistan can't bowl even better under leaden Leeds' skies (if the forecast is accurate).

Leeds will be desperate for a big pay day so expect a very good batting pitch.

Slightly overlooked but the dropped catches at Lord's cost England very dear. Address that and the game could easily swing the other way (Pakistan's fielding was as good as it's been for...ever??)
By:
Cardinal Scott
When: 30 May 18 17:30
Memories of my Maximum Win here in september v Windies Grin
By:
detraveller
When: 30 May 18 18:22

May 30, 2018 -- 5:02PM, Injera wrote:


Happy to wait for things to unfold and take it from there.At Lord's Pakistan took 20 wickets, we took 10. The weather was humid at times but pretty decent overrall. No reason at all why Pakistan can't bowl even better under leaden Leeds' skies (if the forecast is accurate).Leeds will be desperate for a big pay day so expect a very good batting pitch. Slightly overlooked but the dropped catches at Lord's cost England very dear. Address that and the game could easily swing the other way (Pakistan's fielding was as good as it's been for...ever??)


I noticed Pakistan's fielding too. They nearly played a perfect game, if you exclude the Butler/Bess partnership(which interestingly took them from 1.03 to 1.47.)

I'll be happy to trade the draw here.

By:
Injera
When: 30 May 18 19:19
Stokes has a hamstring problem. Sam Curran joins the squad.
By:
jucel69
When: 31 May 18 03:35
If Stokes doesn't play Eng should be getting closer to 2s .
By:
jucel69
When: 31 May 18 03:37
Woakes for Stokes means Buttler bats 6 and Woakes at 7.
He's not a bad batsman by any means but he exacerbates an already fragile line up
By:
jucel69
When: 31 May 18 06:04
moved away from my draw lay and got onto Pak at 4.8. Looks massive now
By:
detraveller
When: 31 May 18 07:00
Not a bad move juce. I'll wait for the game though instead of rushing, as they are 4.5 now.
By:
jucel69
When: 31 May 18 10:48
George Dobell
Ben Stokes remains serious doubt for second Test. He ran today but won't bowl or field and will have scan later. Decision likely to be made on his inclusion at the last moment tomorrow. Jonny Bairstow also pulled out of warm-up football after appearing to suffer discomfort.
By:
peckerdunne
When: 31 May 18 10:57
England are feckered Grin
By:
jucel69
When: 31 May 18 12:02
Stokes will play just as a batsman as Eng are desperate and the Bastard won't miss a home test!
By:
detraveller
When: 31 May 18 12:26
why is he called a bastard?
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 31 May 18 12:59
Bstard

There was a TV series called The New Statesman in the UK DT. Very funny. The chief protagonist was an MP called Alan Bstard but upon meeting him people would say " You're Alan Bastard ! ". It's just a take on that, no offence intended. He is a popular young man.
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 31 May 18 13:03
Honesty, probity, sincerity

Alan B'Stard
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 31 May 18 13:11
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5p_0cayp5s0&list=RDSDa505kpXO0&index=5

Just for you DT, there is even a cricket reference in there. Mike Gatting made Ambassador to Pakistan!
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