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By:
Injera
When: 13 Aug 16 19:45
Last time went to India we had Monty and Swann. Monty wasn't selected first match. One nil down.

From then on it was a procession. 2-1 England. Monty not only outbowled the Indians, he outbowled Swann!

Rasher and Mo will not have the same impact.
By:
the whizz kids
When: 13 Aug 16 21:07
Very very good point Injera. Could never understand why he was not picked for the last game.
I would imagine that Eng will test him against the Banglas on more suited conditions.
By:
nigelpm1
When: 13 Aug 16 21:15
What gives with Draw price at 11?  Expected it to be in the 20's at least.
By:
detraveller
When: 13 Aug 16 22:04
This performance so far has been so un-Pakistan. But if they win this, 2-2 probably a fair scoreline. Pakistan already ranked third and they could end up second on the list surely?
By:
detraveller
When: 13 Aug 16 22:10
If Pak win this, And India dont win the next test, Pak are number 1. Else India. Im pretty sure their will be a social media war between the two countries for the coming few days.
By:
jucel69
When: 14 Aug 16 00:31
This has been a great test for me. Backed the draw on day 2 at 9s and laid at 3.3.
Then laid England big yesterday before play at 2.3ish.
Never even had to touch that trade.Happy
By:
pxb
When: 14 Aug 16 00:49
Shah has blown hot and cold in this series.

I'm expecting runs from the rest of England's batting, but enough to trouble Pak batting last seems unlikely. But we have all seen Pak implode before.
By:
jucel69
When: 14 Aug 16 01:00
Yeh I will green up this morning and then lay Pak.
They only have 4 bowlers & Eng have some quality late order batsmen. The Bastard, The Saviour and The "guy who keeps messing with his hair after every feckin ball he bowls" can all bat. I can see England putting on another 300, leaving Pak chasing 175 or so.
By:
pxb
When: 14 Aug 16 02:39
I was thinking more like another 200, but you could well be right with 300, which would bring the draw into play.
By:
detraveller
When: 14 Aug 16 09:55
Same here. Im expecting England to score runs(or Pakistan to leak runs) but have backed the draw instead of laying Pakistan.
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 14 Aug 16 11:00
I think Shah will rip through England after the efeect of the foller wars off. He has looked ordinary and I know he is not a big spinner of the ball but in the right conditions and circumstances he is very effective. I am not going to bother to lay off.

The only bet worth considering for me is a Hail Mary on England around 18 as they have the batsmen to do something extraordinary. This cannot be a draw.

Should the draw go sub 1.1 I really oughta clear my red for £20Laugh! yes yes played a blinder while praying in the Carribean! Not really been watching the game save for some of Younis Masterclass!
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 14 Aug 16 11:02
Erm let me say that again properly!

I think Shah will rip through England after the effect of the roller wears off. He has looked ordinary and I know he is not a big spinner of the ball but in the right conditions and circumstances he is very effective. I am not going to bother to lay off.

The only bet worth considering for me is a Hail Mary on England around 18 as they have the batsmen to do something extraordinary. This cannot be a draw.

Should the Pakistan go sub 1.1 I really oughta clear my red for £20Laugh! yes yes played a blinder while praying in the Carribean! Not really been watching the game save for some of Younis Masterclass!
By:
detraveller
When: 14 Aug 16 11:07
All I need is for England to come down to 6-7 and I can lay off my huge green on them.
By:
detraveller
When: 14 Aug 16 11:08
Pakistan's independance day today. They'll be celebrating like crazy if they win today. I would love to se them win. But tomorrow plz. :D
By:
detraveller
When: 14 Aug 16 11:27
What's the ticket price for today and tomorrow? Does anyone know?
By:
Fatslogger
When: 14 Aug 16 11:29
Nice to hear all doing well. I'm having a monster too: load of draw backs that turned out well. Nice thing about the back the draw after wicket on good track approach is that if the game runs away from your lay back there's plenty of chance to see it again. I was all green before Shafiq was out then got sucked in to a whole series of draw backs as wickets fell but that turned out just fine.
By:
slip5
When: 14 Aug 16 11:30
pakistan will throw this away
By:
Fatslogger
When: 14 Aug 16 11:31

Aug 14, 2016 -- 11:30AM, slip5 wrote:


pakistan will throw this away


I still think easy win but I'm going to go roughly equal green at around 3.5k on all with a Pak lay at 1.27.

By:
Fatslogger
When: 14 Aug 16 11:37
Hmm, had to accept some 1.29 too but sitting fairly pretty. Sure I'll find a way to relieve myself of some more profit but can hardly complain about the last few tests having got out of a very deep hole in the last Eng Pak test and a hole so deep it really ought to be described as a chasm in the WI India test.
By:
Injera
When: 14 Aug 16 11:46
That is so loose.
By:
anxious
When: 14 Aug 16 11:47
very poor shot there ballance
By:
geordie1956
When: 14 Aug 16 11:49
another place to fill in the team
By:
slip5
When: 14 Aug 16 11:54
gavin ballance not a good test batsman
By:
slip5
When: 14 Aug 16 11:55
plenty of talent in english domestic set up that could fill in the number 6 spot
By:
jucel69
When: 14 Aug 16 11:55
Barry Ballance you muncher of the kok varietyAngry
By:
DStyle
When: 14 Aug 16 11:56
as if that wasn't already a known.

increasingly i'm becoming more and more annoyed with vince batting at 4.

it's not where you blood shotmakers in a side and he has no business going in front of ballance who with his reselection should be given more responsibility.

it actually becomes almost impossible for a shotmaker to rein it in when he's chasing a score and he's been in that place since the middle of the summer. he should have been allowed to chance to bat much lower 6 or 7 and score some cheaper runs and then gradually moved up.

Our most accomplished stroke makers, Vaughan, KP and Bell, all started lower and surely with good reason.
By:
slip5
When: 14 Aug 16 11:57
ballance threw it away again he another ramprakash
By:
jucel69
When: 14 Aug 16 11:57

Aug 14, 2016 -- 11:57AM, slip5 wrote:


ballance threw it away again he another ramprakash


he couldn't lace Ramp's boots.

By:
DStyle
When: 14 Aug 16 11:58
not even close to being as good as ramprakash.

ramprakash was a better shot maker, and had to face proper bowling in every match he played.
By:
slip5
When: 14 Aug 16 12:00
ali has the be the best world number 7 batsman in world cricket currently, he is a natural shot maker like saeed anwar
By:
jucel69
When: 14 Aug 16 12:00
Ramp's came in when there were some serious bowlers about. He got obsessed with technique and being overly self critical.
In his latter years when he started to enjoy batting and took off the shackles, he averaged over 100 for a few years in a row!
By:
anxious
When: 14 Aug 16 12:02
Ian Bell should still be in the team
By:
jucel69
When: 14 Aug 16 12:02

Aug 14, 2016 -- 11:57AM, slip5 wrote:


ballance threw it away again he another ramprakash


And Ramps is a better dancer!

By:
jucel69
When: 14 Aug 16 12:02

Aug 14, 2016 -- 12:02PM, anxious wrote:


Ian Bell should still be in the team


not sure I can watch Billy Bell knick off again in my lifetime

By:
DStyle
When: 14 Aug 16 12:05
yep anxious.

beginning of the summer with everyone fit:

Cook, Hales, Bell, Root, Stokes, Bairstow, Vince, Ali, Woakes, Broad, Anderson is the XI
By:
geordie1956
When: 14 Aug 16 12:07
To my mind it doesn't matter where a proper batsmen plays from 1 to 6 or 7 - if you have a technique which is inadequate you will quickly be found out at test level

The game has changed but the basic ploy of the likes of Boycott to restrict chances to the opposition even if it means limiting your scoring potential is still the best - preserve your wicket as test matches over 5 days will still present time & opportunity to score runs when bowlers tire
By:
DStyle
When: 14 Aug 16 12:11
unlike ballance, i'm not convinced vince's issue is technique. mental discipline seems to be the issue - you're not learning that in division 2, but it can be developed in test cricket.

but i maintain, if you're chasing a score, it's impossible. you will fail. he needed to be give a chance when it was a bit easier.
By:
slip5
When: 14 Aug 16 12:18
Guys everything wrong with west indies cricket is in this clip below lack of heart and discipline

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIchyr4tj_s
By:
slip5
When: 14 Aug 16 12:19
vince is good player needs to bat at 6 for me
By:
detraveller
When: 14 Aug 16 12:21

Aug 14, 2016 -- 12:18PM, slip5 wrote:


Guys everything wrong with west indies cricket is in this clip below lack of heart and disciplinehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIchyr4tj_s


No that's not whats wrong with WI cricket. People in better teams have behaved worse. Atherton ball tempering, McGrath going crazy against Sarwan, Kohli over-aggressive, Steyn spiting on Benn....These are individual acts and don't reflect what's wrong with the team.

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