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The Oval can be a high scoring ground, SAF scored 637/2 batting second not too long ago.
With the Ashes won, you'd hardly think England would order up a seaming deck for a dead rubber.
OTOH, both sides bowling has been rather better than their batting, and no significant rain in the forecast.
Draw back to lays have been the road to the poorhouse in this series, but this looks one to me with the draw at 4.5.
With the Ashes won, you'd hardly think England would order up a seaming deck for a dead rubber.
OTOH, both sides bowling has been rather better than their batting, and no significant rain in the forecast.
Draw back to lays have been the road to the poorhouse in this series, but this looks one to me with the draw at 4.5.
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Thanks for your summary pxb. I've already layed the draw at 4.3 as the forecast looks OK.
Might miss out if waiting for a better price so jumped in with both feet. |
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Thank you PXB for your pre match thoughts. Not looked at the stats yet but this could could be a very different match altogether.
I am looking for 2 tickets for the 3rd day (sat) Please let me know if anyone is selling. |
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I am minded to have a cheeky draw back. I fancy a punt of a flat grassless and scrubbed track. Revenge of the Accountants. I have day 5 tickets so live in hope. I may also be inclined to lay the team batting second particularly if it is Aus.
Wait and see I guess! |
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Yeah whispering - it could be a chief execs pitch - with the ashes in the bag a five day game would make financial sense.
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2 years ago I had an absolutely fantastic 5th day at The Oval Captain!
I was stranded in the Harleyford Road seats so the view was poor but made up for it libation and victuals that would impress any top restaurant and may I say there was plenty of cranberry and camembert floating around my area. The days of The Black Superman drinking Red Stripe were well and truly over with not so young urban professionals ruling the roost. I don't know if you guys can remember but it was when England nearly chased down a total after a sporting declaration and Clarke cried like a baby for bad light when you could quite clearly see the nose on the end of your face!.....I digress I wanted to stay out of this as I have done well already and still feel the course of a match between these two sides is impossible to chart save for it will get ugly and premature. I think pxb is right and there may well be a draw back to lay play developing vis a vis weather perception and a Chief Executive's pitch. I am not saying the weather will disrupt the match or a flat pitch will negate the effect of decent bowlers bamboozling completly inept Test Match batsmen but prior to the game the inference might well develop. I am in for 40% of match stake already! |
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This is the one they want to win and finish the series with bragging rights
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Looks like there will be some weather around over the 5 days but ever changing picture & latest forecast suggests first 3 days at least will be largely dry. But the Met Office forecast will probably have changed again by this afternoon.
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Some high quality, objective Ashes reporting by an Oz newspaper for a change
 . http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/cricket/the-ashes-2015-pitch-at-the-oval-for-fifth-test-draws-criticisms-from-frustrated-australians/story-fni2fnmo-1227490253295 |
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Thanks for that jr.
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Anderson out - very wise decision imho.
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Weather looks decent enough but for the life of me I do not understand why they would prepare another green wicket. I hope that Aussie article was in effect a slut shaming excercise on the ECB. I obviously need to reverse out of my draw back and it is going to cost me the equivalent of a decent bottle of wine
 ! I mean I understand why they would do it but why do it FFS! The best part of 56,000 people will not be spending their money. I am hoping it is a double bluff and the grass will get cut! |
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of course playing on fast bouncy tracks in brisbane and perth where england get routinely thrashed is all part of the game
sure they'll let us start off on a nice flat pitch in adelaide on the next tour if we ask nicely  |
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do you really want to see a three day game?
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absolutely not. just pointing out the aussie double standards. seeing hopeless aussie techniques being exposed on green pitches in england is apparently not fair but england batsman jumping about all over the shop at the waca is apparently great cricket
got day 5 tickets but planning to be there for the end even if it's friday or saturday |
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Appalling article.
The focus at TB was the 60 all out but their batting second time around was truly awful. Everyone bar Voges played with hard hands and we got 2 wickets off no balls. As for the 60 a.o. we were 274-4 at the close. Batting paradise |
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it was certainly not remotely difficult conditions at trentbridge. any half decent side would have backed themselves to get to lunch at no worse than 90 for 3 and then go on to post 300+ which would put you in charge of the game with england batting last
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just reversed out of my draw back for a tenner loss!
 ! Could have been messy!It would be funny imho if Aussie won the toss and Cummins and Starc bowl England out before tea! I think it is a bit of a phoney war before kick off. You all make good points so I won't argue against them but schadenfraude is waiting to bite somebody on the asp. I really would like to see an even contest between bat and ball AND I would like to see some action as I have a day 5 ticket! btw Trent Bridge was a bit freakoid. How many times did Aussie play and miss? How many edges, how many catches and a wonder catch! I never heard the sommentators once say " that was a bit adjacent "!. |
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I agree they lacked some luck in not playing and missing.
But they do tend to follow the swing rather than play down the line. Aussies are used to no sideways movement and therefore play very hard at the ball, over confidently. The fact that Boof has been unable address this issue should be highlighted. Rain on Sunday so I'm not confident about laying the draw pre match at 5s. |
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Everyone is gun shy of the draw after the last 2 matches, but 5 is big given the venue and the prospect of a fair amount of rain Sun & Mon.
If whoever bats first gets off to a halfway decent start, it will be down to 4 pretty quickly. |
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Mafe - Not double standards at all with the wicket preparations. Last tour they were ordered to be slow and low and turn this time green tops. The Aussie pitches are the same every summer regardless of Opposition. Cricket Aust dont tell the curators what to prepare - in my view we should as everyone else is doing it. I would order five pitches similar to Brisbane so just keep rolling the Adelaide, Melb pitch until it is quick and bounces. So traditionally the Oval is a good batting track but it seems that doesnt suit the Eng heirachy so they will leave a heap of grass on it. If world cricket could appoint neutral groundsman overseers it would be a good thing to sure that pitches are just what the groundsman would normally prepare for a state/county game rather than something made to order. India preparing absolute dustbowls when they play the non-subcontinent teams doesnt make the best test matches either. Sure leave some grass on in England but the last test i doubt Eng would have made much more than 200 if they had batted first imo too much grass. I concede the Australian batting was inept in those conditions.
Personally i like pitches that give the team batting first a chance to post 300-400 if they bat ok. anymore too flat anyless probably too much grass. |
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think england would have made significantly more than 200 if they'd batted first. cook made 40 odd when england batted which is exactly what oz needed from someone like rogers to eat up time until it would undoubtedly would have got easier after lunch. conditions were much more difficult at edgbaston batting first where it was gloomy and rain hung around virtually all day 1. it was bright sunshine at trentbridge
tbh even though the reports are that the oval pitch had plenty of grass on it yesterday i'll be amazed if most of that isn't shaved off and it's pretty good for batting. after all the lost revenus from the previous 2 games surely they'll want it to into at least day 4 this time especially with nothing on the series now |
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Cook batted when the pitch dried out after lunch. If he got a good one like Rogers got then Eng very easily could have collasped, not for 60 i grant you. both pitches were seaming from the extra grass and moisture - it is not all about overhead conditions, moisture in the pitch gets it zipping around suiting Broad, Jimmy needs the overhead conditions more. Eng got the better of the conditions in both Tests, Clarke should have inserted in the third test.
Hope you r right about shaving off the grass. |
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Batting first at Egbaston was catastrophic Hubris from Clarke and Callling tails at Trent Bridge has cost Aussie the series. I honestly believe that both matches had the potential of going the other way had England batted first.
Will be interesting to see how England bat in the long grass and could spell the end of Lyth's initial Test career. Interesting side bet on top run scorer in series. If England bat first then Rogers is big value at 3's with Root being odds on it is more or less a straight shoot out. |
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I think the way Australia batted at TB made the pitch look a lot more difficult than it actually was. If you push hard at the ball two feet in
front of your eyes it accentuates any movement. You've got to play it late and with soft hands - look to survive till lunch and cash in later in the day when the pitch eases. Australia didn't do this. Wouldn't it be boring if pitches were the same the world over ? |
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I'm sceptical of the draw in the 5s, but we will find out soon enough if it's justified.
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As much, as England state they will go for the Aussies throat, England aren't that sort of side and are more likely to sit back and bask in the glory of a series well won. Thats just how all English teams are, whether its footy, rugby or any other sport. 4 games played and not a draw in sight, so don't expect this one to finish in a draw either.
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Hello from Oval," says George Dobell. "Pretty overcast here. Rumour has it that Siddle is playing - god knows - and that wicket is not completely firm."
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eng win toss + bowl...1st job done
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looks like you can forget days 4 and 5 again
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It is double standards for the Aussies to start bleating about the pitches. When Warne was around, it was dry pitches that would break up on days 4 & 5. Bowling in tandem with MacGill I recall how they ensured the SCG was a dustbowl, & it was spitting sideways out of the cracks. As for the WACA that suits a home attack with the likes of Brett Lee & Mitchell Johnson to choose from.
These have been English wickets bar Lord's which was completely flat. If you can't adapt to conditions, then you are not good enough. The Aussies crow when they win; throw their toys out the pram when they lose, yet they always complain about 'whinging Poms'. Further hilarious double standards |
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Money in pocket. Tempted by an Aus lay again but
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australia being awful on the road is hardly a surprising development. they've lost something like 14 of their last 21 away being on the end of complete hidings in india, the uae and england
very good in home conditions but utterly useless at adapting to alien conditions. south africa are number 1 for the reason. the only side that consistently plays well away from home in the last few years |
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Australia 2.64 to lay...................I've had some of that
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johnnyrant
johnnyrant 20 Aug 15 10:41 Joined: 14 Feb 07 | Topic/replies: 19,321 | Blogger: johnnyrant's blog It is double standards for the Aussies to start bleating about the pitches. When Warne was around, it was dry pitches that would break up on days 4 & 5. Bowling in tandem with MacGill I recall how they ensured the SCG was a dustbowl, & it was spitting sideways out of the cracks. As for the WACA that suits a home attack with the likes of Brett Lee & Mitchell Johnson to choose from. These have been English wickets bar Lord's which was completely flat. If you can't adapt to conditions, then you are not good enough. The Aussies crow when they win; throw their toys out the pram when they lose, yet they always complain about 'whinging Poms'. Further hilarious double standards Laugh Rate reply: | report block user What a load of crap, WACA has always been a fast bowlers pitch, even when the West Indies had the 4 best pace bowlers in the world, pitch can't be prepared any other way, as for pitches being made to suit Warne ROFL stupidest thing ever read. Cricket should be different in each country, that is why it's called test cricket |
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The WACA is a totally alien strip to visiting sides. Aussies priding themselves on not influencing curators is the biggest load of self-righteous b.s. you'll ever read.
Cricket should be different in each country, that is why it's called test cricket You've said it yourself - pitches that seam and a swinging ball is what happens in England. Oz batsmen have failed miserably to adapt to conditions. |
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I'm sceptical of the draw in the 5s, but we will find out soon enough if it's justified.
And I was right. |
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was just about to remark upon that,masel'..5.2 was overpriced imho
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Was going to jump back in at 5 but missed it!
Going to have to be patient here. Draw might still be good value. |
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johnnyrant
johnnyrant 20 Aug 15 11:08 Joined: 14 Feb 07 | Topic/replies: 19,322 | Blogger: johnnyrant's blog The WACA is a totally alien strip to visiting sides. Aussies priding themselves on not influencing curators is the biggest load of self-righteous b.s. you'll ever read. Cricket should be different in each country, that is why it's called test cricket You've said it yourself - pitches that seam and a swinging ball is what happens in England. Oz batsmen have failed miserably to adapt to |