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Is his batting crap b
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Is his batting crap b
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Is his batting crap b
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Is his batting crap b
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Is his batting crap b
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ffs
I give up  |
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The point I was trying to make
Is he depressed because his batting is crap or is it his depression that is causing a crap batting display ? |
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hope you're better Injera. I've had plenty of friends who have needed professional help and appear to have beaten it.
You must be a right barrel of laughs to be around if all you mates have gone on to seek professional help. |
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Quite a few poster on here in need of professional help tbf
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Lack of understanding in society shown here on this forum. Would not wish depression on my worst enemy ; if you break your leg it needs to mend and this is the same with mental illness. Massive stigma towards mental illness in this country.
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6 months a year in saudi 12 hr shifts,oil rig workers etc etc, yet it seems an easy exuse for silver spooned cricketers,should send him to camerons sickness checks and he,d be on the 1st plane back tomorrow
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I'm sure folk said similar things about Enke
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Have to agree a-t, classless from the brawler. Plenty of people would have washed themselves of this knuckle head in the summer and again he has let himself down.
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It is very sad, but not altogether unsurprising, that people are making a 'link' between stress and how wealthy you are, or what kind of job you perform.
Someone also suggested that soldiers don't suffer from stress, they just 'get on with it.' You sir, are an utter retard and clearly have no knowledge on this subject. |
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Why could the management not have dealt with this 'in house' ?
His form was rubbish so Flowers could just of announced that Trott had been dropped Would of avoided all this furore which reflects so badly on the management for picking such a mentally brittle individual and also on Trott himself and will undermine the morale of the touring party Like it or not it will probably also confirm the impression amongst the aussies of whingeing poms and they will now go for the jugular rather than be too sympathetic After all its warfare out there and the gloves are off |
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Pastie - Trott's condition has not been diagnosed therefore it prompts discussion and inevitable confusion.
If he has clinical depression or severe anxiety then let the ECB say so. This 'stress related illness' phrase is I'm afraid nonsense. If we're not careful employees up and down the country will use this phrase to take time off work when they feel a bit of pressure. As I say if Trott has a mental complaint let it be defined but please ECB, don't do the smoke and mirrors trick.... |
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it's pretty clear what's gone on here, imo. trott's batting style's always screamed obsessive-compulsive, which is an anxiety disorder and co-morbid with depression in about 75% of cases.
you can't really blame the aussies if that's the case and recent events have worsened it. either he's fit to play or he isn't. if you had a rugby player with a weak neck, say, you wouldn't pick him for a six nations game then expect the opposition to go easy on him because it might break. if it's that bad, don't pick him. if it isn't, don't try to use it as a stick to beat the opposition with after you lose. especially if they didn't even know about it, which seems to be the case. |
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well said EL Presidente!
If I was an opposition bowler I would have bowled at him off two paces to unnerve him while he was marking out his guard. that is a good spot by you about obsessive-compulsive. I am not a Dr and am old school unsympathetic generally but that man was ill and it was shocking to see. No blame to you Convicts but expect some interest back. We sow the seed, we grow the seed...we reap the seed! Oh and remember you are only President for life! |
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Aye
Would agree entirely with above post. |
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El Presidentes post btw
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so the aussies on here aren't pulling their punches and why should they? this is a battle and for wjhatever reason trott wanted out. bring on the next warrior, the battle moves onj. that's always been the way.
just one small point - hes not a pom  |
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probably worth adding that OCD and anxiety disorders generally can be a truly horrible experience for people. I knew this woman who'd had it really badly when she was younger. she told me that once she flew to ireland and on the flight she got so hung up about whether she'd turned the gas off that as soon as they landed, she got on the first flight home to check.
it kind of sounds funny, but imagine living like that  |
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Trottys tops the list of spoilt sporting cowards IMO
Thorpe. Think his missus was batting around Tresco Almost as pathetic as trotty Flintoff. Ego problems hair falling out At. Least Ronnie Osullivan downer was probably drug induced and at least he had dodgy parents But all the rest come from spoilt middle class backgrounds and were all in massive decline in form At least cobain moon Joplin Morrison and Hendrix had the decency to kill themselves when their careers were going down the drain can't imagine trotty being man enough for that lol |
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have you ever considered a career as a therapist jd?
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Hopefully the next cocktail mix he takes will finish jermaine off permanently - fecking idiot
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2 things. I am merely pointing out we have no idea what the issue is. I know depression and anxiety, and know it is far from pleasant and far from selective in regards to "class". Happiness after all does not come from money, and while we are not directly talking about happiness here, it doesn't really matter how much money, or how easy somebodies life appears.
But we don't know, so shouldn't be judging anything based on it. We also know that if he was playing, he was seen by all as fit to play and as such is open to any strategy allowed to attack his wicket and his future wickets. The other thing, is to WD. I agree you are right in that there is no point simply standing by letting people get away with anything. But you really don't know if this was a reaction to something England did, or Clarke is just "classless" (maybe paraphrasing, maybe you said "has no class" which is obviously the same things). Do you know for sure that Anderson never did anything to warrant a reaction? I highly doubt it, more assumptions. Have a look at your reactions when Aus questioned the light in the last test. That was a reaction, yet nobody remembers why there was an issue. The supersub? Another from England. The showers during the cricket? England. Bodyline? England. Seems to be a very common thread in regards to alot of things cricket in that England seem to be the ones bending the rules and playing dirty to the point where either rules get changed, or other teams utilise the same strategies. And it is hardly the worst thing ever said. There are arm guards and all sorts batsmen wear. I am sure this one might be considered worse though Malcolm Marshall was bowling to an out-of-touch David Boon. Marshall: "Now David, are you going to get out now or am I going to have to bowl around the wicket and kill you?" Not that it is a competition, but really if you can get under the skin of somebody like Anderson and make him try and replicate Australias bowling, then I am sure they will hit that 130km/h bouncer to all ends of the ground. Anderson is simply a medium swing bowler. As is the rest of the team really. None of them got over 140km/h at any point in the first innings. Johnson didn't bowl a ball slower than 144. The top 3 Pom bowlers spent the day in the 132-133km/h range. Either that is them, or there is something drastically wrong, with all of them. All good saying you have 3 2m+ bowlers, but 130 clicks will be 130 clicks all day long. And considering the strategy to Clarke has been to bowl short at his throat, I would make an assumption that there has been something said to him in regards to him being hurt, or at the very least scared to being hurt. Just an assumption, but would make plenty of sense to cause a reaction like that. That just doesn't come from nowhere, he is much smarter than that. |
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In the next test England must start with Finn - we don't have the bowlers to bowl 90mph (is that equivalent to 140kmh) but Finn is more likely to take wickets on these pitches than the others - he might concede runs a plenty but in the position England now find themselves I don't believe we have much option - as for the batting I would move Root to three and play Ben Stokes who will also give give an option with his bowling - I would also play Bairstow as keeper - Prior is completely out of form with the bat and the fact is we now need to be pro-active and try and assert ourselves otherwise we will be steamrollered by the opposition who have their tails up - the WACA was always going to be a difficult proposition anyway so Adelaide really needs a concerted effort to try and regain some momentum otherwise that little urn will be travelling in a southerly direction
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By: salmon spray
Date Joined: 10 Jan 07 Add contact | Send message When: 25 Nov 13 15:44 Joined: Date Joined: 10 Jan 07 | Topic/replies: 26,035 | Blogger: salmon spray's blog Are there any psychiatric hospitals in Australia or is there something in the convict genes which makes them immune to mental illness ? mental hospitals? what are they?  |
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Captain Christy
Date Joined: 08 Mar 03 Add contact | Send message When: 25 Nov 13 13:23 Joined: Date Joined: 08 Mar 03 | Topic/replies: 8,440 | Blogger: Captain Christy's blog Let's put it simply just for the aussies.. even a thick aussie c***t could see that there was something very unusual about how Trott was looking, a professional cricketer doesn't have 'scared eyes' when facing a cricket ball delivered Mitchell fcuking Johnson. guess what, your whole team ( poms ) had scardey cat eyes  |
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I can't pretend to have a strong view on the rights and wrongs of this saga, I would hate to point the finger at anybody regarding Trott's early departure ......there is however one cruel irony that has until now escaped my attention, Warner and Johnson the unwitting Aussie Cricketers at the centre of this sad little drama are both sporting Moustache's in order to raise awareness around the condition of male depression!
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This is a complex issue that the UK media haven't helped by using the word 'stress-related condition'. It's clear from the number of interviews that it is a form of depression and having lost a friend to this earlier in the year, you can only feel for him. The England camp were aware of his condition, which he's had for many years. in some ways, it makes his England performances over the years all the more remarkable.
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Decent article on Trott here:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/the-ashes-2013-14/content/current/story/692537.html |
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Good article Biscuit and even more reason to be angry at the management!
That drawing of the guard should have been picked up. What I don't understand is why the opposition complained about it but did nothing about it. It was clear to me to be an anchor or trigger behaviour so why didn't anyone bowl when he wasn't ready? I would have! The rules is he has to be ready. That is a side issue however. It is quite clear there was something wrong with him and the more you think the worse it gets. I really feel he has been let down. I don't think you can question his integrity or bravery. Has anybody on this forum actually played against 90mph fast bowling consistently? I really don't think England fans have a problem with sledging in general or Warner in particular but I just don't like Michael Clarke and I'd like to shove his head down the toilet. I don't like sledging but you have to play what is in front of you. I just wouldn't let anyone take liberties and I think maybe some of the anger of England fans was a response to being rolled over. As a matter of interest regarding Trott. I'd invite anyone to have a look at the Rumble in the Jungle. In the first round have a good look at Ali's eyes. He was scared out of his tiny. His eyes were huge just like Trott. He threw 12 right hand leads in that round. That wasn't a tactic that was fear. He put himself in harms way and over came. I think Trott showed courage to get out there when he was afraid. I really haven't got a problem with Aus. I just don't think they have much of a sense of humour. Malcolm Marshall was funny in his sledge to Boon. I am not surprised some Australians don't get it. |
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There really are some dumb asses on here - the increasingly naive jermain winning atm! What were eng supposed to say about why he went home - what would have placated people - being lied to? Why would they say something like this when any number of reasons could have been given?
He has had a well documented battle with alcoholism (many of you speak as if you have no knowledge of that!) so there may well be some sort of mental illness and possible depression. All this 'we need to be told' is pathetically selfish - no you don't, Trott needs to get the help he needs and what a bunch of no marks on here think/want (me included) really isn't important. Questions can be asked (and answered) later. |
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"I really don't think England fans have a problem with sledging in general or Warner in particular"
Interesting to read bumble's comments on the sledging: "We have the benefit of using a stump microphone on Sky which is not allowed to go to air and I have to say that some of the stuff that was going on there went too far. I’m a big lad who has heard a few things in my time but David Warner in particular came out with some really nasty, horrible stuff" Warner has since come out and said that some of the comments "went a little bit too far". I agree with you though Whispering, i don't have a problem with sledging in general as long as it doesn't become too personal. Some of the classics with Merv Hughes are brilliant. |
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Spyker
As I had one of my closest friends kill herself in 1992. I'm well aware and very sympathetic to people like fashanu who have genuinely met the black dog. I believe 6 nfl stars killed themselves in a year or so alone But have no sympathy towards the ones who really just have the back door trotts usually as their careers decline and claim to be bi polar or one of these other fancy names doctors have for when they can't find anything wrong |
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 Gawd |
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So Jermain you are unaware of TROTTS WELL DOCUMENTED BATTLE WITH ALCOHOLISM THAT HE HAS HAD THROUGHOUT HIS CAREER or is that irrelevant at this time? Of course we could guess as to the reasons why he was/is an alcoholic but lets not eh?
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spyker - is this true, Trott an alcoholic?
if so, it is the first time i seen or heard it mentioned. |
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Warner has a problem with alcohol too, he punched out that one direction fanboy Root.
That's the best way to deal with it imo |