no he didn't keep it to himself. that's the point.

i'd be far more accepting if that were the case. flower has clearly stated it's be known about and managed for some time.

this is the bit i'm struggling with.

don't be a silly tw@t ayersrock.

That's my point rhino, when soldiers are feeling down, they carry on fighting, they don't p ussy out and say "I've had enough of this, I'm off home" - what's he got to be depressed about exactly? playing the sport he loves in front of packed crowds and being paid a handsome fee, it's nothing but pure mental weakness. I don't expect anything less from Dstyle, he's never been able to control he's temper when someone disagrees with him and I have seen when hes been busy fanboying Rafa

Is Jonathon Trott likely to be sleeping rough in London when he gets back to the UK salmon buttspray?

Poor bloke.  Poor bloke.

Sick of people making lame excuses for him - he couldn't take the heat so he got out of the kitchen, try doing real hard work and then talk about stress, like 15 hour NHS shifts on minimum wage 6 days a week, juggling 3 or 4 different jobs to feed your family, 9 months tours of Afghanistan, bomb disposal experts, - not playing a game in the sun standing about waiting to catch a ball, give me strength.
If he felt like this for a while then he was selfish to go there in the first place and put in poor performances. The Aussies are laughing, when do they cry off

tbf Ayers Rock doesn't sound the brightest so easily ignored.

Best news in years now for Peterson and prior to go and we might have a team who cares

maggot, i'll spell it out, I don't believe he had depression at all, it's an excuse by some here, I can't show compassion a respect for someone who had depression if I don't think they actually have it simply because it is unproven, to me it sounds like an easy excuse, he's not the first or last English Cricketer to do this, you don't have to be an expert on the sport to know when someone is playing badly, it's a cop out, the situation got to him, his performances suffered, and now it's been decided England are better off without him, that's the mental weakness, letting things get to you when you shouldn't. I haven;t even heard it's depression just stress related which backs up my point entirely.

England captain Alastair Cook yesterday accused Warner of being "disrespectful" for calling Trott "weak" and saying the visiting batsmen had "scared eyes" in a press conference after day three at the Gabba.

Maybe Warner will get subbed off the field and claim he has Tourettes, and Cook will be fined for being "disrespectful"...  This has just gone too far.

sorry delivered by and aussie c*nt.

I can't see how it is disrespectful to tell the truth about an opponent's performance.

Maybe if Warner said Trott is weak, that is disrespectful.  He said the shot was weak and it was.  He said he saw scared eyes and I am sure he did. 

You don't blame the messenger for delivering the truth.  Subsequent events seem to have confirmed the truth of Warner's words yet members of the England camp are saying his words are disrespectful. 

I think not.

Why mental illness though?

Where are people getting this information from?  All I can find is stress related illness.
Mental illness is merely one of a long list of possible stress related illness.

Why is everybody assuming mental illness, or depression?

Has it been said?  Where is the link...?

How thick are these aussies? Trott could have easily used an excuse like an injury or not thinking he is up to it sportingly, instead he has admitted to basically having mental problems, why the fcuk would you do that if it isn't real?

Why would they?  If the 2 are mutually exclusive, then they would have simply said what it is.  But they didn't.  They kept it vague.

I have no idea what it is.  And it appears everybody else is simply making an assumption that they know.  It could be heart disease.  I could be asthma.  Diabetes.  Could be irratable bowl syndrome for all we know.

All are just as likely.

In fact, the most likely, are gastrointestinal problems.

To simply conclude that it is a mental illness, namely chronic depression, is just negligent. 

Maybe it is, but there is no reason at all for anybody to make that assumption and simply run with it.

Do you really think, Junior, that if Trott had a case of the trots, that they would have come out and said that his bad form is due to his need to frequent the toilet?
Very doubtful.

No, because I have nothing to base it on except the odds outside of this.
The reality, is most people are suggesting it is, although obviously just from assumption.  So it would be ridiculous of me to set it at 3/1 when I know I would get plenty of action in the 1.10 range whether I think that is the odds it should be or not.

Trott and the other cry baby bunting tresco should have all their cash taken given a bedsit in Peckham and made to attend a years Samaritan meetings then they might realise how pathetic they sound
I thought the Aussies were sledging all our players and good sort out the men like broad and young root who took a terrible verbalising neither went sobbing back home

Makes no difference.
It doesn't matter if I think it is 100/1.  If I know I will get matched plenty at 1.10, then there is no reason to set the book any higher.

Are there any psychiatric hospitals in Australia or is there something in the convict genes which makes them immune to mental illness ?

I am not a huge Trott fan.  I don't like his style of playing.  I thought he was wrong in England's ODI side.  I saw him bat in the Champions Trophy at the Oval and changed my opinion on that because some of the others were not good.  Having said that I know and respect he was an effective cricketer for England particularly in the Test arena.

I saw Trott's first innings.  Something was badly wrong I could see it plain as day in his face and in his eyes.  I felt immediately he should be dropped because he could not contribute and this after the first innings only.  Something is not right I agree with DStyle. We don't know what is going on.  Floweer is keeping quiet, lying, being economical with the truth or all or some of these things.

All I do know is he should not be playing.  Now his technique may have been found out and he can't cope with that or he has a mental issue whatever I don't really care but I think he has been given poor duty of care by the management whoever they are ( not just Flower ).

Further to that the English batting technical frailties exposed by Australia's management and bowlers has been evident since early summer.  I am seething that this has not been addressed adequately but, whatever, has happened to Trott I think but don't know for sure, is disgusting.  I don't think he should have been playing end of.

With regard to Warner and Clarke I don't know what they knew.  I haven't got a problem with Warner saying what he did on the pitch.  I don't like it but I don't make the rules.  Clarke just has no class, again I am not angry at him.  What annoys me most is if and I haven't directly heard, Cook, complaining about it.

If England can't use this to galvanise and fight back then they deserve to take it up the jacksy.  No team I ever played against would be allowed to give that sort of stuff and not get it back biblical.  You can stiff upper lip and take the moral high ground all you like ( and I do ) but sometimes you have to communicate in a common language. You need to speak to that opposition in the language they understand.  We got 3 or 4 two meter plus fast bowlers.  The batsmen have to stand up and be counted.  I remember watching Derek Underwood once before they had stump mikes.  You could hear every time he was hit but he never took a step away from the ball.  England really need to stand up now.

As for some of the baying Aussies thank God you have only beaten England once after how many attempts!  Enjoy your day in the sun!

This whole business is bad.  Not sure what has happened but something is wrong.  Oh and well played MJ.  I said before the series started he is a match winning bowler and that Aussie needed one as they have not been able to effectively bowl sides out.  He supplied the cutting edge and his triumph is all the more laudable after his personal travails at the hands of the Barmy Army.

It is also great to see a fast bowler cause havoc.  They call it test Cricket for a reason!

hope you're better Injera. I've had plenty of friends who have needed professional help and appear to have beaten it.

"The stress related thingy is an embarrassing smokescreen and pretty patronising to others who know true depression/anxiety. "

I didn't want to go so far as to say the second bit, but I agree with you completely. I also think that applied to that horrible program Flintoff did.