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By:
nigelpm1
When: 07 Jun 12 17:10
yeah, some of the posts here gave me that impression ;-)  I did flag it very early in the thread though for those who were choosing to listen.
By:
Lix
When: 07 Jun 12 17:11
i was away last week... Plain
By:
kingmax
When: 07 Jun 12 17:11
i was gonna back @ 4.4 but had nearly all my money in a footy game.. that was on the next day... ended up getting on @ 3.2 & 2.72
By:
Lix
When: 07 Jun 12 17:12
and 4.5 into 1.5 pre game is the biggest change in odds pre test ever seen. I'm fkin disgusted with myself for missing it really
By:
nigelpm1
When: 07 Jun 12 17:19
Good arbs as well between bookies and BF on the draw
By:
nigelpm1
When: 07 Jun 12 17:20
although there often is pre-match in Cricket.  Best sport for it I think.
By:
cnman
When: 07 Jun 12 17:25
There was at one point a decent arb to the Sportsbook. Draw was 3.25 to back on Sportsbook and the market 3ish to lay. Max bet was 250 for me though
By:
Mariner Paul
When: 07 Jun 12 17:37
It's gonna be an on / off day tomorrow. There'll be all sorts of market activity if the Windies bat first.
By:
nigelpm1
When: 07 Jun 12 19:16
It looks like fine rain all day tomorrow per the radar.  At which rate 1.36 does not look sensible.

However Saturday (no rain) and Sunday (rain after 5pm) are looking much better.

Monday still looks ominous.
By:
Lix
When: 07 Jun 12 19:19
monday ominous?? you sure? Confused
By:
nigelpm1
When: 07 Jun 12 19:24
Certain after lunch :

http://www.meteox.co.uk/forecastloop.aspx?type=1#
By:
nigelpm1
When: 07 Jun 12 19:32
The good news is this machine should sort the outfield out fast should there be a window tomorrow

: http://p.imgci.com/db/PICTURES/CMS/146200/146255.3.jpg
By:
ChocIce
When: 07 Jun 12 21:54
Here's one forecast anyway

http://www.yr.no/place/United_Kingdom/England/Birmingham/hour_by_hour_detailed.html
By:
nigelpm1
When: 07 Jun 12 22:18
That one agrees closely to the rain radar.  Not sure where the others look but these agree to the c.200 overs theory.
By:
nigelpm1
When: 07 Jun 12 22:39
Another example of a forfeited innings : http://www.durhamccc.co.uk/news/durham-2xi-v-yorkshire/
By:
Fashion Fever
When: 07 Jun 12 23:00
forfeited innings not a chance
By:
Greaves Machine
When: 07 Jun 12 23:15
Innings forfeit is done fairly often (2-3 times a season maybe) in county games but not in tests.

It's a completely different scenario since batting/bowling bonus points in county games are only available during the first innings for both sides. The championship points on offer for a win versus a draw encourages teams to try and get a result also.

I don't see anything to be gained by England forfeiting an innings. They've already won the series and don't need to win this test to keep the number one rankings spot. The Windies might want to propose the idea in the vain hope Strauss agrees (which he undoubtedly wouldn't) and then again they may be happy with a draw and not getting beaten 3-0.
By:
Lix
When: 07 Jun 12 23:26
wont be forfeiting anything batting 1st. way too risky with the unknown Narine factor.

FC for tomo looks worse now and a washout with lots of dry but unplayable periods (cos of the carp drainage) pretty likely.
By:
mafeking
When: 07 Jun 12 23:30
gotta have the toss too. that will waste 30 minutes of possible playing time
By:
nigelpm1
When: 08 Jun 12 07:28
market finally got it - 1.22, laid some off that I backed at 1.38 y'day - good money being made here just trading the reactions to seemingly nothing.
By:
Lix
When: 08 Jun 12 07:44
still some 2/7 draw with the bookies worth backing.
By:
nigelpm1
When: 08 Jun 12 07:55
yeah, boyle, lads & PP - banned from all those because I made too much money! LOL
By:
Danspan.
When: 08 Jun 12 08:34
Morning,

A another wet and breezy morning here in Brum, just had two bursts of heavy rain in the last hour, light drizzle now though.
By:
Barnacle
When: 08 Jun 12 08:44
Does anybody know at what point in a match the declaration of a 1 innings game is made? Does it have to be made before the toss?
By:
tonyf
When: 08 Jun 12 08:46
I would forget about innings forfeit, it is not going to happen, trust me.
By:
kevin7654
When: 08 Jun 12 08:46
I concur-frankly its horrible weather-rain ,windy and cold.Not a chance of any play before Lunch in my opinion(u Knew that anyway)!
By:
d13phe
When: 08 Jun 12 08:53
i cannot ever remember any innings forfeit in test cricket.

good question this but does anyone know if it has ever happened?
By:
nicky27
When: 08 Jun 12 08:55
Yeah,  happened when england toured south africa in 2000
By:
d13phe
When: 08 Jun 12 08:59
cheers

dont remember it tbh
By:
nicky27
When: 08 Jun 12 08:59
cronje needed to get the bookies a result
By:
d13phe
When: 08 Jun 12 09:05
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/63864.html

found it

only time it has ever happened i think.
By:
fairfranco
When: 08 Jun 12 09:05
here you go d13phe

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/63864.html

there's a good film I watched on YouTube about Cronje's match fixing but can't find it right now.
By:
book
When: 08 Jun 12 09:10
the mad thing is,nothings changed from yesterday,we all knew weather was going to be bad today & yet the draw has come in from 1.37 to 1.2.
By:
Barnacle
When: 08 Jun 12 09:13
Thanks for the replies and links d13phe and fairfranco. I know it's unlikely, but always good to know for certain when elements of doubt can be ruled out.
By:
fairfranco
When: 08 Jun 12 09:15
If it was done it would instantly be investigated.

Teams value not losing games too much to put a match on the line like that really as well.
By:
d13phe
When: 08 Jun 12 09:16
wouldnt be a backer at 1.2

always a chance england roll through the windies imo
By:
nicky27
When: 08 Jun 12 09:17
expect some volatility in the market around news of the toss ...if windies bat first expect a driffy from the draw ...
  forecast looks better from what i've seen previously ...shifted some draw green to england just in case
By:
book
When: 08 Jun 12 09:18
yes it would be a dodgy thing to do in the current climate with betting scandal,so i dont think it will happen,so the draw should be 1.01,as there will only a maximum of 1 1/2 days play
By:
nicky27
When: 08 Jun 12 09:18
thanks to lix on the nod towards the 2/7 Wink
am on nicely !!Grin
By:
book
When: 08 Jun 12 09:19
the toss wont be done today though as the whole day will be a wash-out
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