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By:
Cider
When: 31 May 20 13:08
Testing everyone is not fail safe, you can pick up the virus the next day, in fact you can test negative when you have it (during the incubation stage)
By:
thegiggilo
When: 31 May 20 13:09
https://twitter.com/mrdanwalker/status/1267055539806179329

The state of this lot ffs,thick as mince..
By:
Cider
When: 31 May 20 13:19
These types of each way no lose tweets are so tedious. Infections fall and he get what one assumes he hopes for, infections rise and he pulls the 'I told you so' line.
By:
impossible123
When: 31 May 20 13:27
I think with testing even the asymptomatics will eventually be detected thro' track and trace. And, once this group of carriers are detected extermination or self-isolation until they are Covid-19 free.
By:
Cider
When: 31 May 20 13:38
There is no issue with the strategy as it is now as far as I can see. I feel like the most important variable is hospital admissions due to covid 19. As the most most risky things have been eliminated, new infections should fall away naturally, assisted by track and trace. The unknown is whether it can every be fully eliminated in a country such as ours.
By:
impossible123
When: 31 May 20 13:47
I believe where asymptomatics exist there will be Covid-19 patients. However, thro' testing and tracking and tracing the severity of the virus would be significantly reduced, but total eradication will take much longer or until a vaccine is found. Until then, live with it the best as possible.
By:
morpteh mackem
When: 31 May 20 14:28

May 31, 2020 -- 12:46PM, lapsy pa wrote:


Just a couple of notes,A German was tested positive after landing on 1st flight to China, no symptons,the mandatory test found he is an asymtomatic carrier.Arlene Foster reckons track and tracing wil be in place for 2+ years, looks like the long haul.


arlene foster doesn't believe in dinsoaurs so would ignore her .

By:
1st time poster
When: 31 May 20 14:41
2.2 million shielded for 10 weeks now been let outside if they want

for 100,s of them in certain area,s north west/east for example ,will be walking out in to area,s with more covid ,than when they went in to quarantine Cry
By:
Cider
When: 31 May 20 14:43
Personal choice, unbelievable Cry
By:
Cider
When: 31 May 20 14:48
Feel more for those in those devolved nations where they are still being told to stay trapped in captivity in this weather with no option :(
By:
politicspunter
When: 31 May 20 14:50

May 31, 2020 -- 2:48PM, Cider wrote:


Feel more for those in those devolved nations where they are still being told to stay trapped in captivity in this weather with no option :(


Lol, where are those exactly?

By:
lapsy pa
When: 31 May 20 14:51
Ha Morpeth Mackem, normally i would agree but credit to her for acknowledging the virus is on the island of Ireland.

I thought i heard there are more cases around today than Mid-March? i may be wrong as was only half listening to the telly yesterday.

None of us are professors but most have been helpful on the thread and tried to paint a fairly realistic picture of the actual risks,good stuff.
By:
Baphornet
When: 31 May 20 14:51
like a shadow; i'd get a restrictive order if i was you, Cider
By:
1st time poster
When: 31 May 20 14:52
its not personal chopice if the one friend visitor has unknownly got the virus,reason millions havnt been visiting in 1st place
By:
Baphornet
When: 31 May 20 14:52
it could be just love i spose..
By:
Cider
When: 31 May 20 15:00
https://www.gov.scot/news/lockdown-begins-to-ease-in-phase-1/

“People who are shielding will be well into their third month of isolation, of not being able to leave the house at all. They are uppermost in our thoughts as we think about how to safely come out of lockdown and we’ll provide more information for them in the coming weeks.

Jeane Freeman addresses the group who are “shielding”, acknowledging that restrictions have been “incredibly difficult” and how tough it has been to see restrictions eased for those less at risk.

The health secretary says the government will provide “clarity” to those shielding with more information “over the course of the next few weeks”.

“We have not forgotten about you,” she says, stressing changes announced by the UK government yesterday apply to England only.
By:
Baphornet
When: 31 May 20 15:01
just said England & Wales on the BEEB
By:
Cider
When: 31 May 20 15:02

May 31, 2020 -- 2:52PM, Baphornet wrote:


it could be just love i spose..


Any critism of the snp seems to be correlated Grin

By:
Cider
When: 31 May 20 15:04
Yes, Jeane said that only a few minutes ago apparently, but it's incorrect. Should concentrate on Scotland I guess.
By:
Baphornet
When: 31 May 20 15:04
Laugh Mr Meadows & unrequited love for the Skye Michelin man
By:
politicspunter
When: 31 May 20 15:16

May 31, 2020 -- 3:00PM, Cider wrote:


https://www.gov.scot/news/lockdown-begins-to-ease-in-phase-1/“People who are shielding will be well into their third month of isolation, of not being able to leave the house at all. They are uppermost in our thoughts as we think about how to safely come out of lockdown and we’ll provide more information for them in the coming weeks.Jeane Freeman addresses the group who are “shielding”, acknowledging that restrictions have been “incredibly difficult” and how tough it has been to see restrictions eased for those less at risk.The health secretary says the government will provide “clarity” to those shielding with more information “over the course of the next few weeks”.“We have not forgotten about you,” she says, stressing changes announced by the UK government yesterday apply to England only.


Very sensible, unlike the clowns down here.

By:
Cider
When: 31 May 20 15:18
She'll change it soon enough.
By:
politicspunter
When: 31 May 20 15:21
My good lady is awaiting a transplant. She has been shielding and she will continue to stay indoors.
By:
Cider
When: 31 May 20 15:26
The change in England (and Wales) allows people in the shielding category to go outside for the first time in 10 weeks. If they want to. Anyone who wants to continue shielding is free to do so. Most of them are old enough to make their own minds up.
By:
politicspunter
When: 31 May 20 15:30
We have a nice garden and that does her just fine.
By:
politicspunter
When: 31 May 20 15:31
She won't be going anywhere till after her transplant.
By:
Cider
When: 31 May 20 15:34
Isn't that the point. Not everyone has a nice garden option, but because you do, you favour a blanket instruction for everyone. It's the same through the pandemic. People who are comfortable being locked down tend to advocate continuing the lockdown as a blanket measure.
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 31 May 20 15:35

May 31, 2020 -- 3:21PM, politicspunter wrote:


My good lady is awaiting a transplant. She has been shielding and she will continue to stay indoors.


Not just your wife.

Your whole family needs to shield with her.

By:
Cider
When: 31 May 20 15:36
In one off the much earlier chats with IT I said to him that the government will allow for a personal decision when things were better, and so they have done.
By:
politicspunter
When: 31 May 20 15:38
It's simply far too early at the moment to try and get folks that are rightly shielding (for any number of reasons) to go outside as normal and pretend the danger has gone. It hasn't and it's reckless to pretend that it has.
By:
Cider
When: 31 May 20 15:39
You're deciding that for everyone, which is wrong. You can decide that for yourself, which is right.
By:
1st time poster
When: 31 May 20 15:40
give,m all a test to post why their out, Laugh
By:
politicspunter
When: 31 May 20 15:40
It's wrong for the government to say it is safe. It's not, far from it.
By:
Cider
When: 31 May 20 15:45
Of course it's not guaranteed to be totally without risk. Potentially it will never be. What they are allowing for is people to make their own judgement in the knowledge that effectively being captive, especially if they live alone, is hugely detrimental to a of people.
By:
politicspunter
When: 31 May 20 15:53
They are not captive, they are safe.
By:
politicspunter
When: 31 May 20 15:55
If Addenbrookes in Cambridge transplant unit knew that any of their candidates for a transplant were out walking the streets they would go ballistic.
By:
Cider
When: 31 May 20 15:57
I believe specific direct advice from a physician overrides the general, nationwide guidelines.
By:
geordie1956
When: 31 May 20 15:57
I accept that easing of the restrictions is necessary sooner rather than later but i wish the gov't would display some honesty and say that its a mix of health (the enormity of being sheltered in your home without contact with others is unprecedented and debilitating) and the financial cost which determines the change. They are suggesting that it is significantly safer as the 5 criteria have been met ... thats debateableas goal posts seem to move but they should explain that it is a caculated risk. The gov't prefer to avoid real explanations as they have done so much wrong ...attempting to shift the blame to the science ...but all evidence is they now reacting politically without saying that is the reality.
By:
politicspunter
When: 31 May 20 16:01

May 31, 2020 -- 3:57PM, Cider wrote:


I believe specific direct advice from a physician overrides the general, nationwide guidelines.


Cider, my lady is typical of folks that are shielding. Folks that have had transplants, whose immune systems are shot, folks awaiting them etc. There are multiple different health issues of course involved but it's simply wrong to say all who have been shielding can now go out,it's safe. The opposite is true.

By:
Dotchinite
When: 31 May 20 16:06
Spot on geordie. Lockdown was always going to be a limited time thing for many reasons and its time has gone. The Government should now be honest about the risk (and lack of it for most people) and let everyone make their own mind up about how to live.
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