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By:
lapsy pa
When: 14 May 20 16:08
"why raise it now"


Because it was shocking policy.
By:
Cider
When: 14 May 20 16:12
It's pertinent in the overall inquiry that's sure to take place but not directly relevant now obviously. Not unless your ambition is political point scoring.
By:
lapsy pa
When: 14 May 20 16:16
No,the ambition is amswers,if the goverment advice is "people in care homes are very unlikely to become infected" and it costs thousands of lives based on that guideline, don't people deserve an answer?
By:
Angoose
When: 14 May 20 16:16
If you look at reports produced from inquiries conducted in to disasters, they invariably provide significant volumes of evidence to demonstrate that there were numerous prior warnings and that numerous bad decisions were taken.

I have personal knowledge of the Cullen Report (Piper Alpha) and have studied both the Texas City refinery explosion and the Deepwater Horizon blowout.

Such reports also describe bad decisions taken in real time that resulted from individuals failing to acknowledge that a problem existed, sticking to previously held positions to the detriment of mitigating the disaster as it evolved.
By:
lapsy pa
When: 14 May 20 16:17
Matter of fact it is bordering on criminal incompetence.
By:
Angoose
When: 14 May 20 16:18
By the way, Nadine Dorries, a health minister, and two other Conservative MPs, Lucy Allan and Maria Caulfield, have now been reprimanded by their own party whips for sharing a tweet that contained a false smear about Sir Keir Starmer.
By:
Baphornet
When: 14 May 20 16:21
get the nooses ready!!!!
By:
impossible123
When: 14 May 20 16:21
I think this will pale into insignificance when an in-depth enquiry is underway on the behaviour of government on Covid-19. But, Starmer is good for Parliament bringing a bit of decorum back to the House; the baying mobs were disrespectful and unworthy to be there at all.
By:
Baphornet
When: 14 May 20 16:22
tar & feather them i say!!!
By:
Cider
When: 14 May 20 16:22
They were still doing contact tracing at the time, so without being directly involved myself, they likely thought it wasn't a significant threat to care homes. 456 cases on the 11th iirc it was around the time contact tracing had to be abandoned and they knew it was then likely to penetrate the care community.
By:
Baphornet
When: 14 May 20 16:23
i agree with 123, btw
By:
lapsy pa
When: 14 May 20 16:25
"They were still doing contact tracing at the time"

They weren't,that is just bollox,they were going the herd immunity route.
By:
Cider
When: 14 May 20 16:29
I was correct so it ties in exactly. Care home advice was changed when they realised they had lost the ability to track down every case.

The UK abandoned "community" testing and thorough contact tracing on March 12 after it became clear the virus was spreading beyond control.
By:
Cider
When: 14 May 20 16:31
PHE was probably over confident in the early stages that they could keep on top of all the cases.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 14 May 20 16:34
They never had the ability to track cases else we wouldn't have lost control
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 14 May 20 16:35
Highest deaths bar trump

Despite having models of how to combat the virus

Herd immunity catastrophic error
By:
Cider
When: 14 May 20 16:39
I'm an advocate of carrying on as normal personally, though I realise that wouldn't be the majority view.
By:
politicspunter
When: 14 May 20 16:42
Well sadly, we did carry on as normal, until it was too late.
By:
Cider
When: 14 May 20 16:47
Sadly we went into the UK version of a lockdown. Which nearly 70 million people are, and will continue to pay for in one way or another.
By:
politicspunter
When: 14 May 20 17:01
Eventually we did, far too late though. The damage was done.
By:
dambuster
When: 14 May 20 17:04
Hardly a lockdown here in the UK, If you take into account the key workers who are,
NHS staff
Postal workers
delivery drivers,
shelf stackers,
builders working 2 meters apart
teachers
food chain workers
utility workers
bus drivers
police
fire brigade
civilian defence staff
justice system
charity workers
broadcasters
journalists
newspaper printers
funeral parlours
government officials
Bank workers,
train drivers,etc etc
and all other people who can't work from home,
that must make up 75% of the population.

No wonder our death rate is high, also, continuing to let people arrive from other countries without any checks,
They were told to self isolate, yeah of course they will. what a fooking shambles.
we might as well had just carried on as usual like sweden and told people to use there common sense,
that way we wouldnt have lost our economy as well as thousands of people.
I like Boris but he's listened to the left wing clique of scientists and doctors who have been wrong again and again.
By:
Baphornet
When: 14 May 20 17:07
would weathermen/women come under broadcasters?
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 14 May 20 17:50
Cider going against the will of the British people

How ironic is that
By:
impossible123
When: 14 May 20 17:53
I do not think the government know precisely what "essential" means eg motor parts courier. Is that essential? I'd have thought the emergency eg police/fire brigade/ and nhs workers are only genuine essentials. Of the others apart from these only a selection or nomination eg pharmacies/post offices/banks/breakdown services/etc, given the much fewer need due to lockdown.
By:
A_T
When: 14 May 20 20:58
Cider absolutely soiling himself with worry about the roasting Pericles is going to be getting every week from Sir Keir
By:
sofiakenny
When: 14 May 20 21:01
The hide and seek champ wont turn up every week.
By:
Cider
When: 15 May 20 13:00

May 14, 2020 -- 5:53PM, impossible123 wrote:


I do not think the government know precisely what "essential" means eg motor parts courier. Is that essential? I'd have thought the emergency eg police/fire brigade/ and nhs workers are only genuine essentials. Of the others apart from these only a selection or nomination eg pharmacies/post offices/banks/breakdown services/etc, given the much fewer need due to lockdown.


Do you not think that other key workers use a car to commute? Or indeed emergency vehicles need to be maintained?

By:
Pleasegivemeanailedontip
When: 15 May 20 13:47
Rees Mogg and Starmer the most competent politicians we have imo (for context i give them both a score of about 7 /10 )

Starmer is ideally suited to leader of the opposition. He wont get this right all the time but one interview i saw he did praise part of the governments strategy while questioning other parts of it. Im ok with him for now.
By:
doridoru
When: 15 May 20 14:12
Yeah what a man, already posted his ramadan virtue signalling bollocks on twitter and promoted the horrendous racist Naz Shah in his first week, some guy. What next a visit to Palestine terrorists graves to deliver flowers?
By:
casemoney
When: 15 May 20 14:21
Nice to see him take Part in the Ram  Business,, does he take part in any other Activities some of the Chaps par take in ?
By:
ribero1
When: 15 May 20 14:32
Starmer just another lightweight,has an easy ride because of the imposter he replaced and plenty of open goals due to the current situation,he's got no decisions to make and fortunately won't have for at least another 5 years.
By:
politicspunter
When: 15 May 20 14:50
Don't be too confident about the five year part.
By:
doridoru
When: 15 May 20 14:52

May 15, 2020 -- 2:50PM, politicspunter wrote:


Don't be too confident about the five year part.


Yeah it will be 10-20 years till the muzzie vote

By:
politicspunter
When: 15 May 20 16:09
Who are you talking about please?
By:
impossible123
When: 15 May 20 16:21
'Cider', I think you are scraping the barrel.

Only open nominated garages (not everyone) given the massive reduction in traffic and vehicle use. Similarly, post offices/pharmacies/couriers/etc eg Amazon/ebay; deliveries could take longer (so what given lockdown) - the bigger the pool of "essential" workers in operation the higher the risk of infection amongst the public.

Starmer is good for the Labour Party and British politics. He's learned, with decorum and intelligence unlike his predecessor and his motley crew of misfits regularly baying like wild animals in the House Of Commons or shouting like young children in the playground.
By:
Cider
When: 15 May 20 16:59
A lot of garages have shut down anyway as it's a lot easier to shove everyone on furlough. Lots of people still need to have a running car, probably as you don't need to drive yourself you have no concept of the bigger picture.
By:
impossible123
When: 15 May 20 17:21
I work in transport, but I cannot use my car because of social distancing. However, I've managed to MOT it just before lockdown but left servicing till later despite procuring the necessary parts.

The government have been pants with tackling Covid-19. And, with Mr Hancock at he helm the worse gets even worse.
By:
Cider
When: 15 May 20 17:26
Some people have no option but to use their car. Is that so impossible to appreciate?
By:
nineteen points
When: 15 May 20 17:28
cider you still on about starmer? dear me he really has got you rattled already
By:
impossible123
When: 15 May 20 17:31
There really little point in debating with you on this subject as your perception and my understanding about the PURPOSE of a lockdown is too wide a gulf to bridge.
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