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HAVE WE JUST WATCHED THE BIGGEST POLITICAL DISASTER
HAVE WE JUST WATCHED THE BIGGEST POLITICAL DISASTER
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Massive depression coming which will result in hundreds of thousands of deaths!
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The Leopard
11 May 20 07:56 Joined: 05 Apr 06 | Topic/replies: 45,070 | Blogger: The Leopard's blog May 11, 2020 -- 3:48AM, duffy wrote: He actively encouraged people to go out, he emphasized "unlimited" exercise, he said go to the parks, people may well leave their houses with good intentions on social distancing but with 1,000's now released to go wherever they please the result will be no social distancing at all as places where people gather will be packed.Also, the first children being released back to school are those in reception classes, 4 and 5 year old children!!! social distancing? really?He even re-iterates that we still haven't met all 5 points to release lock down, but does so anyway You'd be forgiven for thinking that his intention was to raise the infection level not decrease it. Under 11 year olds have practically no chance of dying from Coronavirus. Under 25-year-olds have less than 0.5% chance of dying from coronavirus. Under 40-year-olds have less than 1% chance of dying from coronavirus. Economy has to be restarted as soon as possible…… It may already be too late ! ^ Those percentages are way too high. Even Neil Ferguson's over estimated rates were: 0 to 9 0.002% 1 in 50,000 chance of dying if infected 10 to 19 0.006% 1 in 16,667 chance of dying if infected 20 to 29 0.03% 1 in 3000 chance of dying if infected 30 to 39 0.08% 1 in 1250 chance of dying if infected The real risks are infact likely to be less than half those numbers. And yet we shut primary schools. Madness. |
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Up there with Wilson's 'pound in your pocket' broadcast.
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How would you feel if you had to teach the children?
How would you feel if your child could be bringing it home from school to a vulnerable member in the house? You seen how badly it affected Boris(your words) and you won't wish it on your worst enemy. I agree it is going to be some recession,too easy for it to take off again if easing measures and a bleak future if not having an economy as was? No easy answers, i think they(goverments) are trying to find the right balance,if and just if a country could get that so called "R" rate very low,say maybe 0.2 it could work there if countries completely closed borders but that isn't practical. This looks as if it is the long haul. |
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lapsy pa
11 May 20 09:25 Joined: 29 Jan 09 | Topic/replies: 3,788 | Blogger: lapsy pa's blog How would you feel if you had to teach the children? How would you feel if your child could be bringing it home from school to a vulnerable member in the house? ^ There are no reported cases of a child spreading Covid to an adult. There are no reported clusters coming out of any school anywhere in the world. Where is the evidence closing primary schools stops the spread of the disease? |
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Tell us about your AI programming, the forum would really like to know.
Are you involved in machine learning, natural language programming, robitics ? |
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Really?
Google; Kent live news coronavirus full list of schools,businesses,gp surgeries,hospitals affected by the covid 19 outbreak. That is the 13th of March, some list and that is just Kent. |
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For all the liberals on here telling us how bad the virus could be....
The recession will be a depression if we are not very lucky now. In a depression, the death rate soars. Especially with a 'snowflake' society like we have today. Either the virus is allowed to run its course and we develop herd immunity, or we wreck the country's economy and its health services for at least a decade through trying to preserve life. Both courses of action will result in a lot of extra people dying. Sad, but it really is about time 'Snowflake UK' manned up here and faced facts about how we have a pandemic which could well be as bad as the 1918-20 one. BJ is not up to being PM, in my view, and things could have been done better. BUT, nobody really knows what to do and the constant carping about what governments do actually do is probably affecting their judgment now. It shouldn't of course, but the obsession with social media is a downside of the internet we could have done without. Last night's message was a mess but that comes about through a government trying to please too many people instead of just doing what they think. |
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lapsy pa
Date Joined: 29 Jan 09 Add contact | Send message 11 May 20 09:45 Joined: 29 Jan 09 | Topic/replies: 3,789 | Blogger: lapsy pa's blog Really? Google; Kent live news coronavirus full list of schools,businesses,gp surgeries,hospitals affected by the covid 19 outbreak. That is the 13th of March, some list and that is just Kent. ^ This...? https://www.kentlive.news/news/kent-news/kent-coronavirus-full-list-schools-3949360 ^ As I said above.... There are no reported cases of a child spreading Covid to an adult. There are no reported clusters coming out of any school anywhere in the world. Where is the evidence closing primary schools stops the spread of the disease? Certainly nothing in that article. |
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Given that contact tracing was abandoned in March, how would it be possible to determine if children had spread COVID to adults ?
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UK is not the only country in the world Angoose.
The fact we have not seen any cluster anywhere in the world coming out of a primary school suggests there is no evidence closing them stops the spread. You got any evidence suggesting closing primary schools stops the spread? |
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Tell us about your AI programming, the forum would really like to know.
Are you involved in machine learning, natural language programming, robitics ? |
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Angoose if you want to start a thread on AI be my guest.
Interesting you dodge the schools evidence question. Very interesting indeed. |
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Even the very 1st one Dover Christ Church Academy; "a number of pupils are self isolating after developing covid 19 symptons.
13th of March. |
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New Studies Add to Evidence that Children May Transmit the Coronavirus
Experts said the new data suggest that cases could soar in many U.S. communities if schools reopen soon. Among the most important unanswered questions about Covid-19 is this: What role do children play in keeping the pandemic going? Fewer children seem to get infected by the coronavirus than adults, and most of those who do have mild symptoms, if any. But do they pass the virus on to adults and continue the chain of transmission? The answer is key to deciding whether and when to reopen schools, a step that President Trump urged states to consider before the summer. Two new studies offer compelling evidence that children can transmit the virus. Neither proved it, but the evidence was strong enough to suggest that schools should be kept closed for now, many epidemiologists who were not involved in the research said. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/05/health/coronavirus-children-transmission-school.html |
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In one study, published last week in the journal Science, a team analyzed data from two cities in China — Wuhan, where the virus first emerged, and Shanghai — and found that children were about a third as susceptible to coronavirus infection as adults were.
But when schools were open, they found, children had about three times as many contacts as adults, and three times as many opportunities to become infected, essentially evening out their risk. Based on their data, the researchers estimated that closing schools is not enough on its own to stop an outbreak, but it can reduce the surge by about 40 to 60 percent and slow the epidemic’s course. |
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Not talking about Ferguson style guesses Angoose.
Any scientific evidence of any cluster coming out of a primary school anywhere in the world? |
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There you go again, promote the studies that agree with your agenda, dismiss the ones that don't.
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IT doesn't understand the basics of science.
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Or doesn't wish to.
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And here was me thinking that he was from Planet Zanussi
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No the biggest political disaster happened when the lunatics on the left of the once great labour party took control and voted in Jeremy Corbyn/McCluskey/Abbott and all and gave the great majority of the population no alternative but to vote for the tory party again.
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edy
11 May 20 10:44 Joined: 13 Dec 06 | Topic/replies: 227,040 | Blogger: edy's blog IT doesn't understand the basics of science. ^ A prediction model is just that. A prediction. The models being used at the moment for making massive decisions would never be used for things like the insurance industry or even by gamblers. They are just not good enough. |
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The models being used at the moment for making massive decisions would never be used for things like the insurance industry or even by gamblers. They are just not good enough.
What's your evidence for this assertion? |
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He's guessing.
A study, or studies, that a child can transmit the virus is not really that much of a model. |
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PorcupineorPineapple
11 May 20 10:53 Joined: 03 Dec 15 | Topic/replies: 9,504 | Blogger: PorcupineorPineapple's blog The models being used at the moment for making massive decisions would never be used for things like the insurance industry or even by gamblers. They are just not good enough. What's your evidence for this assertion? ^ Look at Ferguson's code. Not withstanding the assumptions he used in his model are wrong. The random number seeding in the code gave a massive variety in results. Sometimes when run the result is 350k rather than 520k then mess up is something else is going on on the CPU thread. It has so many bugs and errors it simply cannot be trusted. |
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When was it released ?
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Edy, Angoose and PP are you happy that massive decisions have been made on the basis of unaudited dodgy computer code in the UK?
Boris even used the 500k number as a marker when announcing policy last night. |
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Angoose
11 May 20 11:06 Joined: 18 Jul 02 | Topic/replies: 16,266 | Blogger: Angoose's blog When was it released ? ^ The original was never released. They have put some out on github that has been reworked a bit. Some people have managed to find older commits that they did not delete. https://github.com/mrc-ide/covid-sim |
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You've previously criticised that the fact that the code hadn't been released.
Are you now claiming that it has been released ? If so, when was it released ? |
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Doom mongerers need to take an asperin, have a lie doon, maybe turn TV off till Christmas ish, play some chamber music, eat some nuts, make a bowl of soup,cut the hedge, do a jigsaw, stfu.
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lol INSIDE TRADER
they reckon 3,4,5,6,7 million may have had the virus and you have it on good authority none got it from children,for starters whats a child,if a 16 yr old can pass it on are you saying a 15 yr old cant and if they can ,can a 14 yr old,etc,etc, absolutely no evidence kids don't pass it on,in the early days they were calling kids superspreader,s |
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Angoose
11 May 20 11:09 Joined: 18 Jul 02 | Topic/replies: 16,268 | Blogger: Angoose's blog You've previously criticised that the fact that the code hadn't been released. Are you now claiming that it has been released ? If so, when was it released ? ^ Are you talking about the original code or the reworked link that they keep adding to I just posted? |
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1st time poster
11 May 20 11:12 Joined: 25 Dec 05 | Topic/replies: 39,501 | Blogger: 1st time poster's blog lol INSIDE TRADER they reckon 3,4,5,6,7 million may have had the virus and you have it on good authority none got it from children,for starters whats a child,if a 16 yr old can pass it on are you saying a 15 yr old cant and if they can ,can a 14 yr old,etc,etc, absolutely no evidence kids don't pass it on,in the early days they were calling kids superspreader,s ^ No. I asking is there any evidence that closing primary schools helps stop the spread. Simple question to ask given millons of kids are being denied schooling for months. |
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It is interesting people are not even willing to debate any different points of view as far as this Covid thing goes.
They blindly believe whatever they are told by the 'scientist' that happens to be promoted to them and ignore all others. |
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Jesus, self-awareness much?
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IT, what's your evidence* that children can't transmit the disease?
*evidence, not one particular study. |