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UK 'to bring in 14-day quarantine' for air passengers
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Younger people tend to care more about the older generation than the older generation care about themselves.
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LOL.
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Yes what plan Politics Punter? Maybe your beloved SNP should have prepared better given their was an exercise 5 years ago in Scotland based on a flu Pandemic and it showed up concerns about PPE in Scotland but the SNP (who are totally in charge of Scotland's NHS) apparently didn't then stockpile
https://www.sundaypost.com/fp/warning-ignored-secret-report-exposed-large-gaps-in-crisis-plans-and-demanded-urgent-action-be-taken/ It's interesting how the Tories did a very similar exercise about the same time and their lack of a response to it is considered gross neglicence, but the Teflon SNP have a similar lack of response and preperation and get away with it, and the above leaked report gets so little coverage. |
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If there had been a better prep at the outset eg a proper level of procurement of PPE and equipment and closing of our borders the ferocity of the spread and death toll would have been lesser and more manageable; any lockdown would have been swift and shorter, and a recovery of gdp sooner.
This is akin to putting up the necessary structures of a new built esp the roof so that in the event of incessant rain work in the interior can still proceed. The Far East and SEA countries have had experienced with SARS thus better prepared and equipped to adapt to deal with Covid-19; the astutesness of Australia and New Zealand meant a vast difference to USA and the majority of the EU countries. |
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*negligence
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Well what proportion of people who are furloughed on 80% or 100% of wages are going to vote to return to work, for essentially no gain?
This is a classic case for any democracy, whatever path the gvnt takes take there's going to be plenty of vocal opposition to it. Of course there's plenty on here that will be vocal against whatever choices they make either way. |
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I am sure Dorris will save us and turn out to be the bestest Prime Minister ever
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weakest government ever
uk is a cabinet government half of cabinet havnt got an opinion on the worst crisis in 70 years and the other half arnt allowed an opinion |
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at least there,ll be plenty of vaccines to go round if ones is found I,m sure the right wing loons will march on Westminster green demanding the under 18,s and over 50,s are the only ones allowed it,the rest can just jog on with their mild .no symptons,
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as mentioned previously - several months too late.
One of my colleagues flew out for a three day stay in Northern Italy when the doodah had already hit the whatsit  She took umbridge when I intimated she might be adding to a potential UK death Toll. If you had shares in TUI right now would you not try to get rid ASAP. Dickie Branson must be punch drunk right now. |
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they are basically asking us to bail out a bit harder after giving us smaller buckets and kicking a bigger whole in the side of our boat.
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I mean this is thick obviously. Just wrong on a number of levels. However, what are the numbers of people affected? Air travel is down to near zero; there is basically no tourism nor business travel happening. So is it just people returning home? Then is it just virtue signalling. Enact a policy the country said should have been done months ago simply for the sake of being seen to do something.
Christ, I knew Johnson was poor and I knew this government would be poor but this is way beyond anything I could have thought. They're just hopeless. |
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I don’t think these actions will be pushed through. Not sure what will happen in general but this action is far too late unless there are massive new surges in contraction.
Just the thinking is defying logic. They really do not have a scooby. It isn’t even join the dots it’s more like throw the dots to see what to do next. |
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By the way, isn't the solution simply testing at either end of the flight. Needs a reliable test and some co-ordinated thinking between nations but surely that's not beyond the wit of man.
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no at the beginning of the flight so they cant fly
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I find it unbelievable someone can be so non-sensitive and blase about death toll of Covid-19. These are someone's family member or lose relative; these deaths are within a very short period of time. If this death toll persists consistently over a year - if the spread of Covid-19 is unchecked - the death toll will be significantly higher with little doubt.
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Death tolls tend not to go down*
*one of my big bugbears of news reports: "The death toll has risen further". Yep lad, they can only every really go one way. |
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paulsculley,james not so,cleverlyt used to shout and cheer rabble rouse when DORIS WAS doing his zip WIRE ACT AND making doris island out of yogurt cartons,you don't really expect them top be asked their opinion on the greatest crisis in 70 years
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there,ll be enquiry after enquiry,tax rise after tax rise,spending cuts,levelling down,with no sign of a Brexit benefit in the good times for 50 years according to rees mugg,these people have nothing to offer,nothing to say,
pritti cant even stop waves of boats reaching dover |
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Boris Johnson needs to take control of the cockpit
This crisis is a flight into the unknown and we need the captain to stop the blustering and talk to us like grown-ups Matthew Parris Friday May 08 2020, 6.00pm, The Times Share Save ‘Chocks away!” Or that’s what some in the news media thought they’d heard. “Magic Monday!” trilled the Daily Star this week, skipping past the weekend and the prime minister’s curtain-raiser tomorrow on prospects for relaxing lockdown. “Hurrah! Lockdown freedom beckons” rejoiced the Daily Mail. For The Sun we can look forward to “Happy Monday”. Or can we? “Abort! Abort! Take-off abandoned”. That’s what others appear to be hearing. For this newspaper yesterday it was “PM to keep Britain in lockdown till June”; and for the FT: “Boris Johnson urges ‘maximum caution’ over easing lockdown”. We’re at a loss to know who in government is trying to communicate what. Is there anyone in the cockpit? It’s time to ask whether Boris Johnson is up to the job. A nation has a profound need to believe that, whether or not we know what’s going on, somebody does, and that would normally be the prime minister. A national leader cannot always tell us what’s happening or what’s coming — there may be reasons for caution here — but we need to be persuaded that the leader is leading: in charge, across his brief, able to bang heads together and when key decisions loom, equipped and ready to take them. Well, here he is at prime minister’s questions this week. I quote at length and include the ums and ers because the halting prolixity, waffle and intellectual confusion need to be flagged up. An increasingly formidable Sir Keir Starmer had asked why Britain had abandoned its testing programme in March, only to resume it now. The prime minister: “A-a-as I think is readily apparent, Mr Speaker, to everybody who has studied the, er, the situation, and I think the scientists would, er, confirm, the difficulty in mid-March was that, er, the, er, tracing capacity that we had — it had been useful … in the containment phase of the epidemic er, that capacity was no longer useful or relevant, since the, er, transmission from individuals within the UK um meant that it exceeded our capacity. … [A]as we get the new cases down, er, we will have a team that will genuinely be able to track and, er, trace hundreds of thousands of people across the country, and thereby to drive down the epidemic. And so, er, I mean, to put it in a nutshell, it is easier, er, to do now — now that we have built up the team on the, on the way out — than it was as er, the epidemic took off …” Johnson went on to throw us a promise to test 200,000 people a day by the end of this month. Sadly, social distancing means we couldn’t see the face of the health secretary, as this pledge was made. Later, asked about public transport, Johnson started burbling about a new, golden age of cycling. Rush-hour Tube trains carry more than a thousand passengers every two minutes. Prime ministers come in different shapes and sizes and there isn’t a single ideal type. There are details-people: Margaret Thatcher liked to be down in the engine room, sleeves-up. Tony Blair was readier to step back and leave the rather heavyweight team of cabinet colleagues he assembled to get on with the job — but you never doubted who was boss, or his intellectual command of his own government’s plans. I suppose the case for Mr Johnson’s leadership was that he would be more of the second type, assembling a crack team, giving them the authority to lead in their own areas of expertise, but conveying always a uniting sense of purpose, and infusing the whole with that bouncy sense of optimism that is his singular gift. One begins to wonder, however, whether that word “singular” should be replaced with “single”, and whether even this gift is wearing thin. Johnson does not look well and doesn’t sound as though he’s leading. I do not like what I’m hearing from insiders about confusion in Downing Street; about a lack of that needed sense of a collegiate cabinet pulling together behind a coherent mission; and about hostilities and factionalism between ministers, and with No 10. Most dismaying of all is the intellectual weakness of the mangled case the government is putting across. What is all this nonsense about the R-number, when all that means is whether or how fast the disease is spreading? Media deference to the priestly mumbo-jumbo reminds me of the bourgeois gentleman in Molière’s comedy of the same name, deeply impressed to learn from his tutor that he has been speaking something called “prose” all his life. Reproduction-rate means spread-rate and here we can make only educated guesses from a hugely patchy picture where many of the numbers aren’t available, and averages are of limited use. If we’re beating the virus back we’re not beating it back because we’re getting the R number down: the R number is down because we’re beating it back. And who at the top of government is treating the population like grown-ups and explaining that relaxing lockdown will inevitably result in new outbreaks; and that instead of screaming “Argh! Second wave!” we shall need calmly to contain those outbreaks, with perhaps new, partial lockdowns here and there? Is Johnson ready to face down the trade unions and explain that precise regulations governing reopened workplaces are impossible: every business, every space, staircase, production line is different, and “use your common sense” must be the limit of workable advice? This is not apocalypse and we’re not facing an enemy that threatens to kill all or even most of us. That Johnson himself nearly died does not mean he understands better. The suggestion he has undergone some kind of transfiguration troubles me. If a prime minister needs direct personal experience of a danger in order to comprehend danger to others, then heaven help us. Besides, intensive care may have warped his judgment, leading to jumpiness. The growing need is for intellect, clarity, an end to nonsense about the Blitz and boasts about how well Britain is doing (we aren’t), and a readiness to talk to citizens as adults. Regrettably, Johnson has an Etonian distrust of intellect among colleagues, and a wariness of explaining things honestly and properly to hoi polloi. Perhaps everyone is waiting for the old Boris to bounce back, but is “back” the word? He was once noisier and bouncier, for sure, but was his ever a good, problem-solving mind? Can you remember any big dilemma of government he ever tackled and sorted? Any unpopular policy he ever won us over to? There’s a hole at the top of government and I doubt it’s Boris-shaped. If it is, we shall see tomorrow. s |
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PorcupineorPineapple 09 May 20 13:05 Joined: 03 Dec 15 | Topic/replies: 9,494 | Blogger: PorcupineorPineapple's blog
By the way, isn't the solution simply testing at either end of the flight. Needs a reliable test and some co-ordinated thinking between nations but surely that's not beyond the wit of man. It’s this kind of blue sky thinking  that seems beyond our esteemed experts and elected reps. It’s really quite sad. |
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A very well written article that even Johnson himself would struggle to dismiss without launching in to his customary bluff and bluster.
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The key part of that article....
Is Johnson ready to face down the trade unions and explain that precise regulations governing reopened workplaces are impossible: every business, every space, staircase, production line is different, and “use your common sense” must be the limit of workable advice? ^ He has to be. The state cannot keep paying teachers if the Unions refuse for schools to reopen in June. |
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Health and safety /employers insurance could prevent many returning to work.
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Boris needs to stop the dithering and delaying and get the healthy younger people out and about and get the population anti-bodies built up.
This is the only way we can protect the old and vulnerable in the long run. If Boris does not take action now to do this starting with getting schools back then eventually the old/vulnerable will go out before we have a way of blocking the infection spreading through herd immunity. If this happens we will see death in this country like we have never seen before as the old/vulnerable will drop like flies. It is simply not practical to keep the old/vulnerable locked up forever waiting for a vaccine that might never come. |
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70% of public don't want restrictions lifted
parents don't wants kids to go back to school people clapping every thurs, we,re told essential workers are new hero,s deserve better pay,conditions migrant essential workers should get equal uk rights, why do the unions need facing down,they should be fighting for what the public wants, if any right wing tory thinks workers ,pupils, should return to work in unsafe conditions,workplaces and essential workers don't deserve better pay,better working conditions, LETS BE HAVING YOU,GET YOURSELF ON TV AND TELL THE PUBLIC WHERE THEIR WRONBG YOU SPINELESS PACK OF COOONTS,BE THE MIDDLE CLASSES PEERING THROUGH THE CURTAINS SHORTLY, LETS SEE THESE BEEN LABLED AS SCROUNGERS,FECKLESS MOANING ,LAZY KOOONTS |
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14 day lockdown after travel was implemented in Australia some time back - still early days then and people did not take it seriously and went outside anyway. Government then essentially took over all the 5 star hotels in cities and enforced mandatory quarantine in hotel rooms. Security on every floor and people not even allowed to go to the elevator let alone outside. Horrible experience for those people, but effective in stopping the spread and kept hotel staff working and the businesses functioning.
Surprised the UK are only just doing this. |
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09 May 20 14:22 Joined: 25 Dec 05 | Topic/replies: 39,409 | Blogger: 1st time poster's blog 70% of public don't want restrictions lifted parents don't wants kids to go back to school people clapping every thurs, we,re told essential workers are new hero,s deserve better pay,conditions migrant essential workers should get equal uk rights, why do the unions need facing down,they should be fighting for what the public wants, ^ And how do we, as a society, pay for this permanent lockdown? |
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national government required, forget about party politics, get the grown ups in. this is too important to be left to inexperienced power for powers sake politicians.
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DONT NO ask the right tory,s in charge,
run massive defecit,s, countries buy back their own debt and right it off, everyhthings possible scrap trident scrap hs2 scrap Brexit plenty of choices for the current right wing tory government to make,luckily their in power for 10 years to make them, |
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they,ll only be spending what they should have been spending in the last 10 years,
if we,d set off with the same infrastructure as germany we might have made different decisions buying cheap means buying twice,always has done |
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Doris never faced down the RMT when he was Mayor.
He does not like conflict. Wants to be everyone's friend |
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RMT love doris ,he stuffed their pockets with £20 notes for 8 years
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sunday tells you all you need to no about dorr=is
state address to tell you something you should have legally been told on thurs,and Scotland,wales,irish public already been told,he,s a coward avoiding questions and scrutiny ,joke of a pm |
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Besides the planes Doris and co want everyone now to cycle/walk to work,why? because enclosed spaces with crowds is a bad idea?
On the 21st of March the tubes/trains/buses were rammed,they let that happen then,were they stupid or just simply grossly incompetent? |
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Very interesting to see so many formerly dyed-in-the-wool nasties now condemning the formerly God like Doris and government in general. How quickly times change.
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