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02 Apr 20 13:14
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From his bunker, doing his pathetic Churchillian act, re importance of testing.

Then wtf didn't he and his Government have the resource in place months ago to ensure high number of tests could be undertaken ( like Germany)

The answer ( apart from incompetence),is sbecause this was never in reality, the Government's strategy.

Herd immunity was their ace card.
Now they're playing catch up in utter panic.

Utter shambles

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By:
stewarts rise
When: 02 Apr 20 13:17
Could say the same about most other countries, everyone has been caught on the hop and hardly surprising imo.
By:
Facts
When: 02 Apr 20 13:21
No they've not. Look at the German numbers and the explanation behind them.
By:
politicspunter
When: 02 Apr 20 13:21
Boris has had plenty of time to..

1/ Test NHS staff

2/ Give NHS staff and support workers PPE clothing

3/ Stop flights coming in and out daily from other countries

He has done next to nothing.
By:
Facts
When: 02 Apr 20 13:22
Correct pp
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 02 Apr 20 13:22
If herd immunity was their 'ace card' they would still need testing to check how many in the herd have had it.
By:
stewarts rise
When: 02 Apr 20 13:26
Italy has been overwhelmed, Spain, France and the USA, wouldn't bet on Germany not going the same way.
Do you think Abbott and Corbyn would have done a better job?
By:
1st time poster
When: 02 Apr 20 13:26
herd immunity
no ppe
no testing
bragging about shaking hands with hospital staff/patients
breaking his own social distancing rules
catching the virus

apart from all of the above played a blindy, more like churchy the dog than churchill
By:
Facts
When: 02 Apr 20 13:28
IT

Are you denying it was ?
By:
Angoose
When: 02 Apr 20 13:30
Even Trump has said it.
Only IT continues to deny it.
By:
1st time poster
When: 02 Apr 20 13:30
to be fair he has achieved the impossible followed a strategy that enabled trump of all people to label doris AN IDIOT
By:
sofiakenny
When: 02 Apr 20 13:30
It is no secret that this clown was not(and is not) fit to lead the country.Cummings believed in eugenics ffs!
By:
sofiakenny
When: 02 Apr 20 13:31
ffs believes.Blush
By:
Facts
When: 02 Apr 20 13:37
Order. Counter-order. Disorder. Never before has the British government seemed so confused and incoherent as it struggles to deal with coronavirus.



Last week different government scientists and medical experts appeared on television announcing policy and then turning around 180 degrees to announce new guidelines.

Other countries in Europe were applying stringent measures like closing schools, holiday resorts, closing frontiers, banning big sporting events or concerts, or even restaurants and bars in an effort to slow down the spread of the virus. This policy was based on what seems to have worked in Taiwan and South Korea and after a disastrous start in China when giant public events were allowed to take place in Wuhan earlier this year.

But in Britain, the view was the Coronavirus should be allowed to spread with up to 60% of the population becoming infected. The theory was they would get so-called “herd immunity” and thus be protected.

This started a panic run in super-markets which were emptied of toilet paper or dry foods in minutes after they opened.

On Sunday, Downing Street used one of its favourite loyal journalists to announce that everyone older than 70 would be told to stay inside their home as a safety measure.

Then ministers contradicted themselves and said older people would be allowed out to take their dogs for a walk in the park.

Public opinion is very unhappy at the endless contradictory measures and failure of Johnson to be out in front like President Macron or Chancellor Merkel in explaining what the policy was and what people should do. In Scotland, the pro-EU government under First Minister Nicola Sturgeon ignored Johnson and announced stronger measures banning big gatherings along the lines of continental Europe.

There was considerable self-satisfaction in conservative and anti-European circles that President Trump announced a flight ban on citizens from the EU in the Schengen zone but exempted British citizens.

That line then had to be reversed as the crisis in the United States intensified into a national emergency shortly after Trump had dismissed Covid19 as no worse than flu. As New York and Los Angeles followed the lead from Europe and closed restaurants and shut down sporting events, Trump was forced to reverse his policy and ban flights from Britain.

Suddenly the Trump-Johnson axis in place since the Brexit plebiscite in 2016 looked weak as a panicked Trump adopted a policy of sauve qui peut.

Johnson also is panicking. The decade of harsh austerity ideology in Britain since the right won power in 2010 has left the nation’s medical services weakened. There are only 4084 intensive care beds equipped with ventilators and proper respiratory equipment should any of Britain’s 8.3 million citizens aged 70 or over become seriously ill from Covid19.
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 02 Apr 20 13:39
I never knew it was the policy.

The 4 phase policy never included it.

Valance suggested it as an option otherwise how do we get out of lockdown.

Boris suggested it as an option on GMB but not as a policy.
By:
Facts
When: 02 Apr 20 13:42
Dominic Cummings at the end of February had outlined the government’s strategy as “herd immunity, protect the economy and if that means some pensioners die, too bad.”
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 02 Apr 20 13:43
Which press conference did he announce that at Facts?
By:
saddo
When: 02 Apr 20 13:44
A second derangement syndrome thread, the Guardian must be so proud, medals in the post.
By:
moisok
When: 02 Apr 20 13:46
67percent approval rate for boris the banger

how can people be so stupid?

why is the 4th reich getting a rise in deaths

thought they were on top of it according the merkel supporters on here
By:
Ibrahima Sonko
When: 02 Apr 20 13:47
People still believing in German propaganda, has this ever happened before ?
By:
saddo
When: 02 Apr 20 13:50
They are, Germans can do nothing wrong, ever.
By:
moisok
When: 02 Apr 20 13:50
mr churchill warned us
By:
Desmond Orchard
When: 02 Apr 20 13:57
Herd immunity has never not been the plan, the same as it is everywhere else.
The lockdown won’t defeat the virus, only a vaccine can do that and it’s a year or more away. The current policy is designed merely to stop the NHS being overwhelmed by slowing the number of cases needing critical care, thus saving lives.
By:
saddo
When: 02 Apr 20 13:58
That doesn't fit the political agenda of this thread Desmond, clear orf.
By:
Just Checking
When: 02 Apr 20 14:04
Desmond everyone with any sense knows that Herd immunity is the likely exit plan, worldwide, the only factor is how much vaccines will play.
It's just in 2020 we aren't adult to handle that, and we're a country that has lost all sense, especally the hysterical social media mob generation.

But you've got to remember is Facts is a CLASSIC prejudiced leftie.

There were only ever going to be two outcomes to this.
1. Some people will die.
2. Everything Boris and the Tories do will be wrong and used politically by the still butt hurt remainers / election losers to stoke more hate, and they were already at near critical levels.

As they are RIGHT and the Tories are EVIL, can't everyone that? PEOPLE SAY IT IN FACEBOOK AND IN THE GUARDIAN!

"#BeKind - Unless they are Brexit voters or a Tory in which case it's #FrothingIgnorantHate".
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 02 Apr 20 14:23
How many people will die to our doctors surgeries and hospitals being virtually empty for months on end?

How many people die due declining tax revenues meaning less money for NHS and other public services in the future?

569 people died in hospitals yesterday who had tested positive for SARS-CoV-2.
By:
moisok
When: 02 Apr 20 15:11
140.000 is the number you are looking for  per year there or thereabouts so you have to take a huge number out of the co19  reasons for death

it appears they are waiting for you to come into hospital ILL   then kill you off with the virus while there

interesting isn't it
By:
moisok
When: 02 Apr 20 15:13
and lots of money for transgendering   then  a few years later transgendering back again
By:
edy
When: 02 Apr 20 15:15

Apr 2, 2020 -- 1:30PM, Angoose wrote:


Even Trump has said it.Only IT continues to deny it.


Second time today I've seen different people say this.

When did Trump become a person we quote as proof of something being true and factual? Ok, sure, he didn't talk out of his massive, wrinkled arse this one time, but still...

By:
edy
When: 02 Apr 20 15:15

Apr 2, 2020 -- 1:50PM, saddo wrote:


They are, Germans can do nothing wrong, ever.


True

By:
sofiakenny
When: 02 Apr 20 15:28
yes edy..and you had the original "Bonking Boris"
By:
edy
When: 02 Apr 20 15:42
Alexander de Pfeffel has always sought to emulate Germans/Germany.
By:
Facts
When: 03 Apr 20 13:11

InsiderTrader    02 Apr 20 12:43 
Which press conference did he announce that at Facts?



Don't be silly. The psychopath Cummings never gives official announcents to the public.
He works and slinks around in the bowels of No.10
By:
Facts
When: 03 Apr 20 13:16
Johnson just announced he's to remain in his bunker. Praying that this all goes away very soon. As he's still got to
Get Brexit Done !!
By:
casemoney
When: 03 Apr 20 13:58
The best thing to do with these type of threads is Ignore the message they are trying to put across , It was done nationwide in December

Let these rancid types Seethe away in their own groups , They have all become Medical and Manufacturing Experts they will return with a remedy given

time ...
By:
Lady Faye Verrit
When: 03 Apr 20 14:53
Surprised I haven't seen anyone comment as to what a mess he is!

What a bloody embarrassment he is!

His once described "mop head" I could just about put up with, but the way he is now is a disgrace!
By:
casemoney
When: 03 Apr 20 14:57
There are no Barbers Available
By:
Angoose
When: 03 Apr 20 15:07
Perhaps the time has come for him to accept the inevitable.
Get the clippers out, a number two awaits.
By:
impossible123
When: 03 Apr 20 15:17
He did not look too good. It's stressful and demanding leading the team when fit. Now, under the weather with Covid-19 and holed-up in his bunker has not helped with the expected recovery. I hope he gets over his present predicament soon otherwise he'd need to relinquish this task for the good of his health.
By:
Charlie
When: 03 Apr 20 15:19
I hope he relinquishes "this task" for the good of our health. He's a buffoon.
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