Look, the way to defend Boris is to find someone who has done an even more rotten job than he has (if you can).

Or stick yer head up your arse.

Anyone who reckons Boris has played this well is either caught in the intelligence trap...or has no intelligence.

I'm also a centrist who never voted  Corbyn in december

Why did he ignore the Italian doctors and go down the "herd immunity" path Moisok?

No, what I'm doing is pointing out to the Armchair Experts, sitting with 20/20 hindsight and a glass 99% full of prejudice, the following.

Within this very island, listening to same media and observing all the same events in the world, we have a second devolved government that controls a pretty much totally independent health system and separate legal system (apart from some areas). Which apparently had no better preparation for this than that controlled by the Tories. No stockpiles of PPE etc. No spare ventilators. This same government has acted pretty much at the same time as the UK government with regards to lockdown measure.

Keep in mind: This is a government that loves nothing better than to do things differently to the Tories and try and portray itself as better than them, both out of principle.

So what I'm trying to do, is to coax people who like to think objectively, as they sit casting stones and throwing judgment around like sanitary spray, WHY did this same government not prepare better when it was it's job to do so, if it's so OBVIOUS in hindsight? WHY didn't it lock down earlier, as it's so obvious apparently Boris should have? WHY is it struggling to source ventilators from anywhere in the world, or source tests, or source PPE, when apparently it must be easy and it's not being done merely because the Tories are incompetent or don't care?

Do the Scottish government not care about Scottish people?

I mean to the Armchair Experts, it was alllll so obvious now and it's allll so easy to do, apparently, in Armchair Expertland?

That's my point. If you can't understand it then ..

I put a thread up at least 2 weeks ago maybe 3,called "arrest boris johnson" Peckerdunne put a thread up called "the virus is out of control" at the end of JAN. no expert but a small bit of cop on alright.

I am always intrigued by the number of people who comment on the uk and do not even live or come from here

amazing scenes

I live here Moisok,

the question is;

Do you accept he was prepared to give the virus to most of the population through herd immunity?

it isn't a hard question.

Boris is serving his country whilst the leftist jokers on here just complain and complain.

Everyone has a personal choice.

If you thought we should self-isolate earlier having examined Italy then you should have done so.

Me and my wife did so 9 days before the official letters were arriving.

Did anyone of the anti-Boris lot on here make their own decisions based on their person view of the facts or were they waiting for the government to tell them what to do?

Take some personal responsibility and stop blaming big government.

Weren't you the fella that was saying the British goverment should be commandeering planes to bring back the late holiday makers that took a chance and didn't have as much "personal responsibility" as your good self?

Highly inconsistent.

Don't self harm for getting it wrong though.

Correct,my one finger typing i thought was getting faster as well, that was at 2 faced Insider Trader,Mr personal responsibility himself.

I won't call it isolation as such, i didn't go to a supermarket/shop though since late feb, there was a wang.

So you self isolated from late-Feb?

Good personal choice.

But imagine telling a whole country to do that and then finding out it is just something similar to MERS or SARS1?

Make no mistake we will be paying for this shutdown for years if not decades in increased deaths due to people no accessing doctors and dentists and no tax revenues from business.

It is fine for people to personally make the call to isolate but for a leader of 66 million people not so easy.

Give Boris, Macron, Conte, Trump and the Spanish socialist guy some slack.

after 6 months covid will still be lurking behind the hedge

Friday night .. The poor doggers must be distraught.

Coachbuster 03 Apr 20 19:18 
whats gonna happen anyway in a coupe of months when it's sunny most days ?  ...people will just be going out en masse using any old excuse

They will get infected or infect others

Then complain Boris isn't doing enough

How are you Guardian keyboard warriors doing, all safe and sound?