Boris Johnson

They are, Germans can do nothing wrong, ever.

mr churchill warned us

Herd immunity has never not been the plan, the same as it is everywhere else.
The lockdown won’t defeat the virus, only a vaccine can do that and it’s a year or more away. The current policy is designed merely to stop the NHS being overwhelmed by slowing the number of cases needing critical care, thus saving lives.

That doesn't fit the political agenda of this thread Desmond, clear orf.

Desmond everyone with any sense knows that Herd immunity is the likely exit plan, worldwide, the only factor is how much vaccines will play.
It's just in 2020 we aren't adult to handle that, and we're a country that has lost all sense, especally the hysterical social media mob generation.

But you've got to remember is Facts is a CLASSIC prejudiced leftie.

There were only ever going to be two outcomes to this.
1. Some people will die.
2. Everything Boris and the Tories do will be wrong and used politically by the still butt hurt remainers / election losers to stoke more hate, and they were already at near critical levels.

As they are RIGHT and the Tories are EVIL, can't everyone that? PEOPLE SAY IT IN FACEBOOK AND IN THE GUARDIAN!

"#BeKind - Unless they are Brexit voters or a Tory in which case it's #FrothingIgnorantHate".

How many people will die to our doctors surgeries and hospitals being virtually empty for months on end?

How many people die due declining tax revenues meaning less money for NHS and other public services in the future?

569 people died in hospitals yesterday who had tested positive for SARS-CoV-2.

140.000 is the number you are looking for  per year there or thereabouts so you have to take a huge number out of the co19  reasons for death

it appears they are waiting for you to come into hospital ILL   then kill you off with the virus while there

interesting isn't it

and lots of money for transgendering   then  a few years later transgendering back again

Apr 2, 2020 -- 1:30PM, Angoose wrote:

Even Trump has said it.Only IT continues to deny it.

Second time today I've seen different people say this.

When did Trump become a person we quote as proof of something being true and factual? Ok, sure, he didn't talk out of his massive, wrinkled arse this one time, but still...

Apr 2, 2020 -- 1:50PM, saddo wrote:

They are, Germans can do nothing wrong, ever.

True

yes edy..and you had the original "Bonking Boris"

Alexander de Pfeffel has always sought to emulate Germans/Germany.

InsiderTrader    02 Apr 20 12:43 
Which press conference did he announce that at Facts?


Don't be silly. The psychopath Cummings never gives official announcents to the public.
He works and slinks around in the bowels of No.10

Johnson just announced he's to remain in his bunker. Praying that this all goes away very soon. As he's still got to
Get Brexit Done !!

The best thing to do with these type of threads is Ignore the message they are trying to put across , It was done nationwide in December

Let these rancid types Seethe away in their own groups , They have all become Medical and Manufacturing Experts they will return with a remedy given

time ...

Surprised I haven't seen anyone comment as to what a mess he is!

What a bloody embarrassment he is!

His once described "mop head" I could just about put up with, but the way he is now is a disgrace!

There are no Barbers Available

Perhaps the time has come for him to accept the inevitable.
Get the clippers out, a number two awaits.

He did not look too good. It's stressful and demanding leading the team when fit. Now, under the weather with Covid-19 and holed-up in his bunker has not helped with the expected recovery. I hope he gets over his present predicament soon otherwise he'd need to relinquish this task for the good of his health.

I hope he relinquishes "this task" for the good of our health. He's a buffoon.

agree

who,d have thought repeating

get corona done wouldn't have worked, on the plus side gives him another 12  months of excuses for not getting Brexit done, he,ll have had more than enough by then and delivering or not delivering on 100,s of billion pounds worth of promises starting from a worse position than we were in,in 2010 was not in the doris PM playbook

If only Johnson had hired the experts on this forum to help him deal with this crisis effectively.

boris the destroyer of life

in a crisis everyone struggles for competent ministers ,when your constrained by your  ministers having to be dye in the wool brexiteers ,promoted for their loyalty you have no chance, 18 months ago tory,s could have stood jezza hunt,woolaston and dr Philip lee to name 3 at the lecterns,at least they could have blagged a modicum of competency

Good point.

Apr 3, 2020 -- 3:50PM, Dotchinite wrote:

If only Johnson had hired the experts on this forum to help him deal with this crisis effectively.

Clearly the forum is not populated by "experts".
It is, however, populated by people who vote, are impacted by the actions of government, and who are entitled to express their opinions.

I didnt suggest otherwise Angoose although opinions on this are clearly linked to how much individuals already hated Johnson and the Tories. Not a lot of impartial judgement but thats not unusual on here is it.

No it isn't.

Buffoon or not he's our Prime Minister. Others might not see it that way, but he won the election fairly and squarely. The electorate gave him a thumping majority as the alternative was unthinkable to most.

If Boris dithers "chicken" Corbyn ignores or pretends it does not exist eg anti-Semitism.

^^^^^^^
A piss-take, presumably.

yes fishing.very poor

under staffed.under prepared
complacent
herd immunity
bragging about handshaking in hospitals
ignoring his own social distancing rules
continuing to go to work whilst suffering with the virus
filling tubes begging non essential workers to continue to go to work,

feel free to tell us of any pro steps from doris and handjob

not only that but the tories must be loose in italy and spain  -they get everywhere starting up these viruses

Italy give us 4 weeks warning, whilst the uk continued under the encouragerment of the uk government to party away epl football matches,chelt, millions on the tube,pubs full ,seaside full,parks full etc,etc

That's true Moisok, the Italian doctors were in tears begging the UK,warning it was coming, Johnson was going along the herd immunity route at the time,shaking hands with inffected people and warned us all it will be grand if you wash your hands and sing happy birthday.
And well you know it Moisok.

He should be arrested.

and the leaders in spain and italy too    - all for it

FFS grow up you hysterical history rewriting drama queens, god almighty.

it is only tories who do this   no one from any other persuasion would do such a thing now would they

or so the forum progressives tell us

History will show Doris dithered while the rest of the world actioned.

No, it won't actually.
The BS that he is doing little while everyone else is doing lots, is just the sort of fake bullshit that circles in leftie circles on social media.

Okay, answer me this,an odd question but do your best.

All this week in the briefings they are showing the effects of the fall off in transport,the tube is on it,it is there to show that it is meant to be slowing rates of infection,
This has been done a few days after basically shutting the tubes.
Even on the 1st day of lockdown(24th March) the tubes were jammed.

How come they never showed a single chart before then with a warning of how packed tubes were throw fuel on the fire in regards rates of infection.

I see lovely progressive socialist Sweden that has done virtually **** all so far may start to realise they might regret it.
And India and the US, two of the world's most populaced countries also still did very little long after other countries (such as the UK) were bringing in major measures. Just two more examples.

So Charlie, stop posting childish hysterical point scoring left wing ****. This isn't SJW central "comment is Free", there are adults on here.

Anyone answer that one,they know it is good now to help slow it,so why was it left carry on,they aren't that stupid,they couldn't get a chart up quick enough to show the good points of stopping the tube, maybe hadn't any charts of the damage it was doing when jammers? yep, really?

handjob reckons peak deaths might be easter sun,so we could get a 1000 a day by then a country who,s numbers were put down to big familys,lots of older people, lots of smokers,lots of people returning from Chinese new year etc ,ITALY give us 4 weeks warning begged us to lock down as soon as [possible if doris and co reach a daily number not reached by Italy should consider resigning their positions

boris has got blood on his hands

Does anyone think that he cares?

Agree it was going to happen in any case but no excuses for the extra amount of death he is going to create by dithereing,
As the tory apologists are going hissy fitish and no answer to the transport question,i'll try another one.

Do you think the goverment could have asked the supermarket bosses to shut until a police/army presence was in place to have some form of social distancing during the near 2 weeks of "panic buying"?

why haven't the extreme measures practised now(ie stay indoors,and even social distasncing)
not put in place earlier when so much "damage"was being done?

iamajambo
Does anyone think that he cares?
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Intersting aside. Assuming Jambo is Scottish:
The Scottish NHS is devolved, Scotland has it's own health minister and procures it's own things, as exemplified by yesterdays argument.
It could have bought a huge stockpile of masks and so on and stored them.
It could have had a pile of ventilators safely waiting such an emergency. It had done neither.
It's struggling just as much as the English NHS to procure enough test kits and the above equipment, same as everyone else.
Scotland has it's own legal system and police and has been passing it's own laws throughout all this, and enforcing them, it could have passed them earlier.

Given the SNHS was apparently no more prepared than the English NHS, and they didn't go into mass lockdowns etc before the rest of the UK, and are finding the apparently easy (according to Armchair Experts) job of finding things it needs just as difficult in the world as it is.

Does Sturgeon have blood on her hands?

Reason I'm postulating the above is not actually to attack Sturgeon, before a prickly cultist gets annoyed. It's to put perspective on this one sided assault on Boris by prejudiced haters. That someone else with similar responsibilities within the UK has acted in pretty much the same manner and is experiencing the same difficulties.

But to the Armchair Experts who know it all, apparently these issues are unique to "The Tories" due to their inherent evil.

the Brexit loons who were on our tv,s 24/7 notsocleverly,rees mugg,truzz,ids,pattinson,bone,patel,etc,etc have that little empthey,nothing to say on anything but Brexit their barricaded away from public view

Just Checking
You should do a bit more of your username instead of attacking everyone who correctly points out what Doris should have done. The man is a fool.

Glad to see you engaged with precisely zero of the points I made, but "posh man bad". You read it in the Guardian.

A mind reader apart from I don't read the Guardian. Well done on your next forecast.

You seem to be deflecting the deficiencies of Doris by attacking Sturgeon.

Germany are importing most of their deaths

boris has got blood on his hands

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shocking - obviously not following the 20 second hand wash rule

Charlie
You seem to be deflecting the deficiencies of Doris by attacking Sturgeon.
--
Oh begone troll, so tedious.

Would it not gall anyone and be honest and say he could have done better rather than hiding behind their political idealogies?

No one answered any of my points,i presume everyone totally agrees.

Look, the way to defend Boris is to find someone who has done an even more rotten job than he has (if you can).

Apr 3, 2020 -- 5:56PM, Just Checking wrote:

No, it won't actually. The BS that he is doing little while everyone else is doing lots, is just the sort of fake bullshit that circles in leftie circles on social media.

'shaking hands with everybody'

Or stick yer head up your arse.

Apr 3, 2020 -- 7:04PM, Just Checking wrote:

CharlieYou seem to be deflecting the deficiencies of Doris by attacking Sturgeon.--Oh begone troll, so tedious.

Oh begone troll, so tedious.
You sound just like Doris wishing away covid.

Anyone who reckons Boris has played this well is either caught in the intelligence trap...or has no intelligence.

I'm also a centrist who never voted  Corbyn in december

Boris who?

but it is all the tory lot's fault

they must be in charge in spain and italy  as well

Why did he ignore the Italian doctors and go down the "herd immunity" path Moisok?

Do you accept he was prepared to give this virus to most of the population in order to achieve that goal?

No, what I'm doing is pointing out to the Armchair Experts, sitting with 20/20 hindsight and a glass 99% full of prejudice, the following.

Within this very island, listening to same media and observing all the same events in the world, we have a second devolved government that controls a pretty much totally independent health system and separate legal system (apart from some areas). Which apparently had no better preparation for this than that controlled by the Tories. No stockpiles of PPE etc. No spare ventilators. This same government has acted pretty much at the same time as the UK government with regards to lockdown measure.

Keep in mind: This is a government that loves nothing better than to do things differently to the Tories and try and portray itself as better than them, both out of principle.

So what I'm trying to do, is to coax people who like to think objectively, as they sit casting stones and throwing judgment around like sanitary spray, WHY did this same government not prepare better when it was it's job to do so, if it's so OBVIOUS in hindsight? WHY didn't it lock down earlier, as it's so obvious apparently Boris should have? WHY is it struggling to source ventilators from anywhere in the world, or source tests, or source PPE, when apparently it must be easy and it's not being done merely because the Tories are incompetent or don't care?

Do the Scottish government not care about Scottish people?

I mean to the Armchair Experts, it was alllll so obvious now and it's allll so easy to do, apparently, in Armchair Expertland?

That's my point. If you can't understand it then ..

no  you cannot say that   it does not fit the narrative or the guardian/bbc agenda which they follow so slavishly

I put a thread up at least 2 weeks ago maybe 3,called "arrest boris johnson" Peckerdunne put a thread up called "the virus is out of control" at the end of JAN. no expert but a small bit of cop on alright.

Straight answer to the question Moisok 18.23

I am always intrigued by the number of people who comment on the uk and do not even live or come from here

amazing scenes

come from here  or live here

I live here Moisok,

the question is;

Do you accept he was prepared to give the virus to most of the population through herd immunity?

it isn't a hard question.

Erra it doesn't really matter now, enjoy your evening Moisok

Boris is serving his country whilst the leftist jokers on here just complain and complain.

Everyone has a personal choice.

If you thought we should self-isolate earlier having examined Italy then you should have done so.

Me and my wife did so 9 days before the official letters were arriving.

Did anyone of the anti-Boris lot on here make their own decisions based on their person view of the facts or were they waiting for the government to tell them what to do?

Take some personal responsibility and stop blaming big government.

It's win win for the I told ya so mob. They can't actually affect owt, but the more deaths there are the more they can crow how right they were. It'll feel like winning the pools if it's really bad.

Apr 3, 2020 -- 7:53PM, saddo wrote:

It's win win for the I told ya so mob. They can't actually affect owt, but the more deaths there are the more they can crow how right they were. It'll feel like winning the pools if it's really bad.

But sadly they are correct.

And the prize is 27 people on a niche forum having read it 

Weren't you the fella that was saying the British goverment should be commandeering planes to bring back the late holiday makers that took a chance and didn't have as much "personal responsibility" as your good self?

Highly inconsistent.

Actually, no I wasn't.

Don't self harm for getting it wrong though.

Apr 3, 2020 -- 7:57PM, saddo wrote:

And the prize is 27 people on a niche forum having read it 

To be fair, most of the newspapers are now correctly questioning the government strategy. The Telegraph, which isn't exactly an enemy of Boris, led with the headline "Questions without Answers".

Correct,my one finger typing i thought was getting faster as well, that was at 2 faced Insider Trader,Mr personal responsibility himself.

laspy,

When did you go into isolation?

We made the decision on Monday 16th March having examined the data.

The irony if we do not get it from post/deliveries etc we will actually be a worse situation going forward but I cannot take the risk due to wife with heart failure.

I won't call it isolation as such, i didn't go to a supermarket/shop though since late feb, there was a wang.

Deaths per million people

Italy 243
Spain 234
France 100
Belgium 99
Holland 87
Uk 53
USA 21
Germany 15

Germany are around 5 days behind the uk but not on a disimilar path.

The virus is still in its early stages. Its going to be brutal but looking at western europe as a whole the UK is not doing that badly in comparison to others. This is a lethal invisible disease that is going to leave a trail of devastation across the globe.

There is little humans can do to stop it. We can test all you like, even ventilators only give you a small chance of survival.

Follow the advice, stay at home, wash your hands and hope for the best.

So you self isolated from late-Feb?

Good personal choice.

But imagine telling a whole country to do that and then finding out it is just something similar to MERS or SARS1?

Make no mistake we will be paying for this shutdown for years if not decades in increased deaths due to people no accessing doctors and dentists and no tax revenues from business.

It is fine for people to personally make the call to isolate but for a leader of 66 million people not so easy.

Give Boris, Macron, Conte, Trump and the Spanish socialist guy some slack.

Germany are around 5 days behind the uk but not on a disimilar path.



Stop posting stuff that does not fit the political narrative of this thread, ta.

after 6 months covid will still be lurking behind the hedge

whats gonna happen anyway in a coupe of months when it's sunny most days ?  ...people will just be going out en masse using any old excuse

Friday night .. The poor doggers must be distraught.

Fair post drive for show, i never said it was unstoppable.

As i said it wasn't isolation per se,it was more of an awareness to avoid crowds, i didn't examine any data,Peckerdunne put a thread up(removed since,virus out of control) on chit chat,i was v sceptical at 1st but he won't he a conspiracy nut or dramatic fella, it started coming true and he was so far ahead.

Coachbuster 03 Apr 20 19:18 
whats gonna happen anyway in a coupe of months when it's sunny most days ?  ...people will just be going out en masse using any old excuse

They will get infected or infect others

Then complain Boris isn't doing enough

“I shook hands with Coronavirus patients. I shook hands with everybody. I will go on shaking hands with everybody”

How are you Guardian keyboard warriors doing, all safe and sound?