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By:
terry mccann
When: 29 Mar 20 12:40
Always look at what happens in China as its  the blue print for the rest of the world--lovely innit
By:
Fire-and-Ice
When: 29 Mar 20 12:53
'you are the one who wants thousands of children to dies of preventable disease.'

histrionic nonsense and probably libellous.
By:
Injera
When: 29 Mar 20 12:59
Mex - just quoting Prof Thrusfield...

Not surprising these academics are at odds with each other.

Fire-and-Ice -martingdale Happy
By:
dave1357
When: 29 Mar 20 13:13

Mar 29, 2020 -- 12:53PM, Fire-and-Ice wrote:


'you are the one who wants thousands of children to dies of preventable disease.'histrionic nonsense and probably libellous.


ha ha an racist ignorant conspiritard on an anonymous forum is going to sue someone for libel.

By:
terry mccann
When: 29 Mar 20 13:17
Always know if these "gentlemen" show up together im on the right track--which is a shame for the rest of us Devil
By:
Mexico
When: 29 Mar 20 13:19
Terry

As has been pointed out by other posters it is you not I who want to see people die of preventable illnesses.
Swearing and calling people "vile" won't hide the fact that you are evil & want children and pensioners to die.

Don't ne nasty Terry. Follow the advice regarding social distancing & you may help to save lives. Don't be selfish Terry.
By:
terry mccann
When: 29 Mar 20 13:25
Keep at it,you are showing your true colours
By:
Mexico
When: 29 Mar 20 13:26
Fire.
Some shiny hat loon wittered on about speaking to lawyers and sueing me as I mentioned he was totally obsessed with a Swedish schoolgirl.
The letter from his lawyers never arrived for some reason.


Terry often posts about how he wants children to avoid vaccines, it has been pointed out that his actions would kill many thousands of children but that is his aim. It is hardly libellous as there is plenty of evidence to back up dave's claim that Terry wants to see children die.
By:
Mexico
When: 29 Mar 20 13:29
Terry
My true colours are to follow UK government advice and save lives.

I can live with those true colours.

Terry your true colours involve thousands of children & pensioners being seriously ill or dead .
By:
Mexico
When: 29 Mar 20 13:40
Terry

I have some information for you as you seem to be totally clueless about my role in UK government.

I don't know "whats [sic] planned for us" . I am not a member of UK government, I don't get invited to a Cobra meetings, I am not informed before general public of any new plans.

My guess is that we will have another couple of months of this "lockdown " then a phased ending starting in June (hopefully).

Why do you believe I'm so important Terry'?
By:
Fire-and-Ice
When: 29 Mar 20 13:45
If I see anything posted as libellous I'll report it.
Hopefully you will have your posting rights revoked.
The rules are quite simple.
Desist
By:
Mexico
When: 29 Mar 20 14:04
Fire
will you also report Terry's posts where he swears or maybe where he calls me "vile", for suggesting we follow the government advice.
I think the rules are quite simple.


As mentioned Terry is fairly clear that parents should not gave vaccines to children. Vaccines save lives.
Can you understand the logic Dave used in his post?
By:
1st time poster
When: 29 Mar 20 14:07
over 200 today
By:
dave1357
When: 29 Mar 20 14:08
So fire and ice has been a forum member for just over a month, is posting at a rate of ten a day and has appointed himself forum policeman.

Suspicious?

I wonder what his previous username was and why he was banned.
By:
Mexico
When: 29 Mar 20 14:14
Dave
I have only ever blocked one user on Betfair.

Are you suggesting I should add a 2nd name to that list?
By:
Fire-and-Ice
When: 29 Mar 20 14:15
Calling someone vile is not libellous.

Mexico, your posts are full of 'I think' and therefore must be valid
They aren't

I've noticed you and your ilk are like moths to a flame when  Terry is about.
Why do you care about what he says so much? Is he that dangerous to postulate a different view to the perceived narrative which many blindly follow?

I don't see you pursuing other dissenters with such venom and relentlessness?
By:
Fire-and-Ice
When: 29 Mar 20 14:17
I'm posting 10 a day because I'm locked in!
You sound like a conspiracy theorist there dave
Have you seen how much your cohorts have been posting?
Have some balance man
By:
dave1357
When: 29 Mar 20 14:17
I pursue all the anti-vaxxers with the same venom

More than 140,000 die from measles as cases surge worldwide
Infants and young children most at risk of fatal complications, health agencies warn


https://www.who.int/news-room/detail/05-12-2019-more-than-140-000-die-from-measles-as-cases-surge-worldwide
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By:
Fire-and-Ice
When: 29 Mar 20 14:18
Are you blocking me Mexico or Terry?
Weird if it is me.
By:
Mexico
When: 29 Mar 20 14:38
Yes Fire it is dangerous to have a different view regarding this virus.

The "perceived narrative "  is that this virus will kill people, it is real & people should "socially distance "
Terry's view is that this virus is fake & made up , thousands of doctors & scientists are telling lies.

Fire are you intelligent enough to understand why people may consider that view is dangerous.? 

Do you believe it is dangerous for old people to continue as normal & mix with friends & family.?
By:
Fire-and-Ice
When: 29 Mar 20 14:51
I'm intelligent enough to understand a loaded question when I see one.

If I agree with you on the view it is  dangerous then I'm intelligent and if I don't I'm not.

That won't work with me brains Crazy

There are equally qualified experts who are highly doubtful of how the data is being gathered/interpreted. They may be in the minority, but I still take heed of what they say for balance.

The massive bias towards old people dying per day compared to younger people is not as astounding as one would believe.
Can you work out why?
By:
terry mccann
When: 29 Mar 20 14:57
UK"s Imperial College found as SOLE AGENT of panic over c/v.Who the hell are these people who are destroying human society?
By:
Mexico
When: 29 Mar 20 14:59
noted Fire

You don't know how to answer a simple question of

Do you believe it is dangerous for old people to continue as normal & mix with friends & family?


Yep sounds like you are very intelligent- best avoid answering such a "loaded" question as that. Well done Fire as you claim you have brains.
By:
Fire-and-Ice
When: 29 Mar 20 15:07
It's not as dangerous as is perceived.
That's what I think based on data gathered.
The data is flawed imo and so I am not as fervent and arrogant to think I am absolutely correct and anyone who disagrees is an idiot.

Note that
By:
Mexico
When: 29 Mar 20 15:09
Terry
Many countries were placing social distancing before the Imperial report.

So hardly SOLE AFENT are they?
By:
1st time poster
When: 29 Mar 20 15:26
SPAIN 1000 DEATHS TO 6,500 deaths 9 days

Italy 1000 deaths to 6,500 deaths 12 days

uk 1000 deaths to 6,500 ?

some modelling says we might not reach it Shocked
By:
elisjohn
When: 29 Mar 20 15:37
this should be interesting next week,
The provisional number of deaths registered in England and Wales in the week ending 13 March 2020 (week 11) was 11,019; this represents an increase of 124 deaths registered in comparison with the previous week (week 10).

The average number of deaths for the corresponding week over the previous five years was 11,205.

and also from italy.
In the winter seasons from 2013/14 to 2016/17, an estimated average of 5,290,000 ILI cases occurred in Italy, corresponding to an incidence of 9%.


More than 68,000 deaths attributable to flu epidemics were estimated in the study period.


Italy showed a higher influenza attributable excess mortality compared to other European countries. especially in the elderly.
By:
potlis
When: 29 Mar 20 16:25
Not to worry, Cov 19 will eventually run its course and we can return to the days when those with flu like symptom/illness that may not be  life threatening for themselves will again be able to infect those more vulnerable without much comment,  the person coughing their heart up in Wetherspoons  or with an obvious fever sneezing on the bus, sitting behind you in the cinema.
Today they are portrayed as wicked, causing  'unnecessary deaths' a few months ago no one batted an eyelid, no one counted the dead.
By:
nineteen points
When: 29 Mar 20 16:42
cant argue with that like.spot on
By:
lurka
When: 29 Mar 20 16:44
Still some cretins on here who don't get that the issue is the hospitals being overwhelmed, not the potency of the virus. The virus may well be less potent than flu but flu doesn't overwhelm the health system. That is the issue and that is the difference. The death rate will jump when, not if, that happens because it is guaranteed to happen.

So, yes, plenty of coronavirus deaths are avoidable whereas the vast majority of flu deaths are unavoidable. If flu overwhelmed the health system every year, the death rate from flu would jump and restrictive measures would have to be taken. Too many morons don't get that this is the issue in all of this, nobody is claiming that it is worse than flu in terms of potency. That is why the death rate is so high in Italy. That is why we are taking temporary measures to restrict the rate of spread. Do you finally get it yet?
By:
1st time poster
When: 29 Mar 20 17:04
I get  that lurka
but what I don't get is if as the health lady just said
we,re about to reach a peak ,coinciding with seeing the benefits of social distancing.lockdown and we,ve stil got capacity in the NHS,WHY ARE WE BUST MAKING 20/30.000 ventilators that wont be ready for 3/4 weeks,when we,re currently not using all the 8,000 we,ve got
By:
1st time poster
When: 29 Mar 20 17:06
if we can get or just about get by with 8000 in next 7 to 10 days we,re hardly going to need 30,000 in 4 weeks time if we,re over peak and seeing benefits of lockdown
By:
Injera
When: 29 Mar 20 17:46
ellis- do you have a link for that. Thanks.

The ‘normal’ death rates are not being mentioned anywhere except in chat rooms and on you tube.

potlis - bullseye
By:
1st time poster
When: 29 Mar 20 17:53
ffs its not the death rates its the foooooooooooooooooooking speed of them if hospitals are overwhelmed conditions you wouldn't have died with 6 weeks ago today you might and they might/will have fooook all to do with this virus other than theres no dr or bed to treat you in,
if it makes you sleep easier or helps you put a smug grin on your napper, all the  experts,dr,s wheeled out be government have said 50% or more might have died within 12 months, but its not the fooooooooking point
By:
terry mccann
When: 29 Mar 20 17:56
Hong kong flu 1968 was much,much worse than this and hardly anybody even remembers it now so this has for some reason been blown sky high by the usual suspects,the question is why?Living like f ucking prisoners in our own homes for chist sakes
By:
Injera
When: 29 Mar 20 17:56
So it’s about capacity?
By:
Injera
When: 29 Mar 20 17:59
1TP - 50k can die in a average March. Do you think they all die at home?

Hospital admissions have soared in the last 10 years. The NHS is the 5th largest employer in the world yet is on the brink most winters. It’s a capacity issue.
By:
terry mccann
When: 29 Mar 20 18:01
They managed it in 68 though.
By:
elisjohn
When: 29 Mar 20 18:04
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/monthlyfiguresondeathsregisteredbyareaofusualresidence.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971219303285
By:
elisjohn
When: 29 Mar 20 18:06
if 1st one doesnt show, just goggle deaths in uk per month
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