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Always look at what happens in China as its the blue print for the rest of the world--lovely innit
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'you are the one who wants thousands of children to dies of preventable disease.'
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Mex - just quoting Prof Thrusfield...
Not surprising these academics are at odds with each other. Fire-and-Ice -martingdale ![]() |
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Always know if these "gentlemen" show up together im on the right track--which is a shame for the rest of us
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Terry
As has been pointed out by other posters it is you not I who want to see people die of preventable illnesses. Swearing and calling people "vile" won't hide the fact that you are evil & want children and pensioners to die. Don't ne nasty Terry. Follow the advice regarding social distancing & you may help to save lives. Don't be selfish Terry. |
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Keep at it,you are showing your true colours
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Fire.
Some shiny hat loon wittered on about speaking to lawyers and sueing me as I mentioned he was totally obsessed with a Swedish schoolgirl. The letter from his lawyers never arrived for some reason. Terry often posts about how he wants children to avoid vaccines, it has been pointed out that his actions would kill many thousands of children but that is his aim. It is hardly libellous as there is plenty of evidence to back up dave's claim that Terry wants to see children die. |
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Terry
My true colours are to follow UK government advice and save lives. I can live with those true colours. Terry your true colours involve thousands of children & pensioners being seriously ill or dead . |
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Terry
I have some information for you as you seem to be totally clueless about my role in UK government. I don't know "whats [sic] planned for us" . I am not a member of UK government, I don't get invited to a Cobra meetings, I am not informed before general public of any new plans. My guess is that we will have another couple of months of this "lockdown " then a phased ending starting in June (hopefully). Why do you believe I'm so important Terry'? |
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If I see anything posted as libellous I'll report it.
Hopefully you will have your posting rights revoked. The rules are quite simple. Desist |
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Fire
will you also report Terry's posts where he swears or maybe where he calls me "vile", for suggesting we follow the government advice. I think the rules are quite simple. As mentioned Terry is fairly clear that parents should not gave vaccines to children. Vaccines save lives. Can you understand the logic Dave used in his post? |
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over 200 today
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So fire and ice has been a forum member for just over a month, is posting at a rate of ten a day and has appointed himself forum policeman.
Suspicious? I wonder what his previous username was and why he was banned. |
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Dave
I have only ever blocked one user on Betfair. Are you suggesting I should add a 2nd name to that list? |
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Calling someone vile is not libellous.
Mexico, your posts are full of 'I think' and therefore must be valid They aren't I've noticed you and your ilk are like moths to a flame when Terry is about. Why do you care about what he says so much? Is he that dangerous to postulate a different view to the perceived narrative which many blindly follow? I don't see you pursuing other dissenters with such venom and relentlessness? |
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I'm posting 10 a day because I'm locked in!
You sound like a conspiracy theorist there dave Have you seen how much your cohorts have been posting? Have some balance man |
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I pursue all the anti-vaxxers with the same venom
More than 140,000 die from measles as cases surge worldwide Infants and young children most at risk of fatal complications, health agencies warn https://www.who.int/news-room/detail/05-12-2019-more-than-140-000-die-from-measles-as-cases-surge-worldwide . |
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Are you blocking me Mexico or Terry?
Weird if it is me. |
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Yes Fire it is dangerous to have a different view regarding this virus.
The "perceived narrative " is that this virus will kill people, it is real & people should "socially distance " Terry's view is that this virus is fake & made up , thousands of doctors & scientists are telling lies. Fire are you intelligent enough to understand why people may consider that view is dangerous.? Do you believe it is dangerous for old people to continue as normal & mix with friends & family.? |
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I'm intelligent enough to understand a loaded question when I see one.
If I agree with you on the view it is dangerous then I'm intelligent and if I don't I'm not. That won't work with me brains ![]() There are equally qualified experts who are highly doubtful of how the data is being gathered/interpreted. They may be in the minority, but I still take heed of what they say for balance. The massive bias towards old people dying per day compared to younger people is not as astounding as one would believe. Can you work out why? |
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UK"s Imperial College found as SOLE AGENT of panic over c/v.Who the hell are these people who are destroying human society?
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noted Fire
You don't know how to answer a simple question of Do you believe it is dangerous for old people to continue as normal & mix with friends & family? Yep sounds like you are very intelligent- best avoid answering such a "loaded" question as that. Well done Fire as you claim you have brains. |
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It's not as dangerous as is perceived.
That's what I think based on data gathered. The data is flawed imo and so I am not as fervent and arrogant to think I am absolutely correct and anyone who disagrees is an idiot. Note that |
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Many countries were placing social distancing before the Imperial report. So hardly SOLE AFENT are they? |
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SPAIN 1000 DEATHS TO 6,500 deaths 9 days
Italy 1000 deaths to 6,500 deaths 12 days uk 1000 deaths to 6,500 ? some modelling says we might not reach it ![]() |
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this should be interesting next week,
The provisional number of deaths registered in England and Wales in the week ending 13 March 2020 (week 11) was 11,019; this represents an increase of 124 deaths registered in comparison with the previous week (week 10). The average number of deaths for the corresponding week over the previous five years was 11,205. and also from italy. In the winter seasons from 2013/14 to 2016/17, an estimated average of 5,290,000 ILI cases occurred in Italy, corresponding to an incidence of 9%. • More than 68,000 deaths attributable to flu epidemics were estimated in the study period. • Italy showed a higher influenza attributable excess mortality compared to other European countries. especially in the elderly. |
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Not to worry, Cov 19 will eventually run its course and we can return to the days when those with flu like symptom/illness that may not be life threatening for themselves will again be able to infect those more vulnerable without much comment, the person coughing their heart up in Wetherspoons or with an obvious fever sneezing on the bus, sitting behind you in the cinema.
Today they are portrayed as wicked, causing 'unnecessary deaths' a few months ago no one batted an eyelid, no one counted the dead. |
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cant argue with that like.spot on
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Still some cretins on here who don't get that the issue is the hospitals being overwhelmed, not the potency of the virus. The virus may well be less potent than flu but flu doesn't overwhelm the health system. That is the issue and that is the difference. The death rate will jump when, not if, that happens because it is guaranteed to happen.
So, yes, plenty of coronavirus deaths are avoidable whereas the vast majority of flu deaths are unavoidable. If flu overwhelmed the health system every year, the death rate from flu would jump and restrictive measures would have to be taken. Too many morons don't get that this is the issue in all of this, nobody is claiming that it is worse than flu in terms of potency. That is why the death rate is so high in Italy. That is why we are taking temporary measures to restrict the rate of spread. Do you finally get it yet? |
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I get that lurka
but what I don't get is if as the health lady just said we,re about to reach a peak ,coinciding with seeing the benefits of social distancing.lockdown and we,ve stil got capacity in the NHS,WHY ARE WE BUST MAKING 20/30.000 ventilators that wont be ready for 3/4 weeks,when we,re currently not using all the 8,000 we,ve got |
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if we can get or just about get by with 8000 in next 7 to 10 days we,re hardly going to need 30,000 in 4 weeks time if we,re over peak and seeing benefits of lockdown
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ellis- do you have a link for that. Thanks.
The ‘normal’ death rates are not being mentioned anywhere except in chat rooms and on you tube. potlis - bullseye |
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ffs its not the death rates its the foooooooooooooooooooking speed of them if hospitals are overwhelmed conditions you wouldn't have died with 6 weeks ago today you might and they might/will have fooook all to do with this virus other than theres no dr or bed to treat you in,
if it makes you sleep easier or helps you put a smug grin on your napper, all the experts,dr,s wheeled out be government have said 50% or more might have died within 12 months, but its not the fooooooooking point |
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Hong kong flu 1968 was much,much worse than this and hardly anybody even remembers it now so this has for some reason been blown sky high by the usual suspects,the question is why?Living like f ucking prisoners in our own homes for chist sakes
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So it’s about capacity?
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1TP - 50k can die in a average March. Do you think they all die at home?
Hospital admissions have soared in the last 10 years. The NHS is the 5th largest employer in the world yet is on the brink most winters. It’s a capacity issue. |
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They managed it in 68 though.
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https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/monthlyfiguresondeathsregisteredbyareaofusualresidence.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971219303285 |
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if 1st one doesnt show, just goggle deaths in uk per month
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