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By:
moisok
When: 26 Mar 20 21:22
strange strange times

I thought - there goes the extra holiday  and now find I have nearly doubled my bank this week on all these weird games

but then going from 3s/6 d   to 6 bob wouldn't make history
By:
jucel69
When: 26 Mar 20 21:23
It's these huge corporations that need reigning in imo
Avoidance costs countries billions in untaxed income
By:
moisok
When: 26 Mar 20 21:23
nearly 7 bob come to think of it
By:
Cider
When: 26 Mar 20 21:23
I'm sure most have done the old cash purchase off the books one tine or another. All I'm saying is you can't have the bread buttered on both sides.
By:
leif
When: 26 Mar 20 21:24

Mar 26, 2020 -- 9:20PM, jucel69 wrote:


I bet the HMRC automated service will be firing those late filing penalties out


They will be holding off punishment.

For now Laugh

By:
1st time poster
When: 26 Mar 20 21:24
johnny guesser
nice explanation
By:
1st time poster
When: 26 Mar 20 21:25
80% of £2 profit - £1.60, job done quids in
By:
jucel69
When: 26 Mar 20 21:25
are accountants at work or are offices closed?
It's there busiest time of the year right now
By:
gambeano
When: 26 Mar 20 21:26
It depends on whether people have been taking the p***.

Personally, I've been on both sides, employed and self-employed through a limited company several years ago.

However, an IT contractor (for example), earning perhaps £350+ per day, yet paying themselves a salary sub-£12,500 per year and taking everything else they earn as dividends, deserves everything they're now (not) getting as far as I'm concerned.

At least do the decent thing and pay yourself a salary of £50K, so you don't breach the 40% tax threshold, as a bare minimum.
By:
saddo
When: 26 Mar 20 21:26
Also cider, after several very poor years I have just had a good un. But the extra earnings have been getting paid into my bank for months before the virus existed. It will be inarguable that I've just had a rare good year.
By:
unitedbiscuits
When: 26 Mar 20 21:27
If we don't look after the self-employed of this country, they are likely to look beyond these shores and flourish elsewhere.
Our plumbers could go to Poland.
By:
jucel69
When: 26 Mar 20 21:27
Look at Aus, nobody is getting a bean over there paye or s/e, it's complete uproar
By:
jucel69
When: 26 Mar 20 21:28

Mar 26, 2020 -- 9:27PM, unitedbiscuits wrote:


If we don't look after the self-employed of this country, they are likely to look beyond these shores and flourish elsewhere. Our plumbers could go to Poland.


bollocks

By:
Johnny The Guesser
When: 26 Mar 20 21:28
Sorry - it is based on the average declared profits for the 3 years to 2018/19 not the 2018/19 years alone.
By:
1st time poster
When: 26 Mar 20 21:28
black cabs will be stacked up tomorrow fighting over fares, joining,tim martin,mike Ashley,next etc in taking the pish
By:
Cider
When: 26 Mar 20 21:29
There'll be others benefiting from a better year three years ago saddo. It's a win some lose some scenario.
By:
1st time poster
When: 26 Mar 20 21:31
people not lost a days work,certain people gaining income,now getting free grants and can carry on working as usual tomorrow,the magic money tree on the Columbian marching powder ,free money everywhere
By:
Johnny The Guesser
When: 26 Mar 20 21:32
A scammers delight - all those emails going out asking for bank details to pay in your HMRC Coronavirus Support Payment.
By:
saddo
When: 26 Mar 20 21:33
I'm not moaning cider, just saying that there is no easy way for anyone with books to commit fraud over this. The jealous ones are assuming that all the self employed can just flick a fiddle switch, idiots really.
By:
Cider
When: 26 Mar 20 21:38
If anything the fiddlers will lose out. Given the circumstances it's about as good as Rishi could have done. There will be people applying for grants who aren't in any need at all, merrily earning from home, but unavoidable in the bigger picture. They could have perhaps looked at clawing it back after this year's return is known.
By:
jucel69
When: 26 Mar 20 21:39
It's a wet dream scenario for the Nigerians and the book worms
By:
saddo
When: 26 Mar 20 21:40
I very much doubt they will just take peoples's word and not check for discrepancies when the accounts are submitted.
By:
1st time poster
When: 26 Mar 20 21:41
so to get this right the government now encouraging people to break their lockdown by offering them 2,500 quid a month,the worlds gone mad,you,d have thought self isolating would be a caveat to claim the grant
By:
Cider
When: 26 Mar 20 21:42
They won't have the resources for investigations or close scrutiny. It's totally within the rules to carry on earning so some people will be getting an effective bung of almost 3 months profit.
By:
jucel69
When: 26 Mar 20 21:43
There will be legal adverts 24/7 in Pakistan advising people how to rob the UK blind
I've seen them before when I have been watching cricket
By:
saddo
When: 26 Mar 20 21:43
I never saw the announcement cider, I think anyone still working has no need to claim owt, that seems flawed.
By:
saddo
When: 26 Mar 20 21:45
Of course some of em might be earning next to nowt to stay afloat
By:
Cider
When: 26 Mar 20 21:45
I assume it's because there's no way to differentiate between who can still work during lockdown and who can't.
By:
Cider
When: 26 Mar 20 21:45
No easy way anyhoo.
By:
saddo
When: 26 Mar 20 21:46
Yes, perfection is difficult in a few days.
By:
jucel69
When: 26 Mar 20 21:46

Mar 26, 2020 -- 9:45PM, Cider wrote:


I assume it's because there's no way to differentiate between who can still work during lockdown and who can't.


same with paye, there will be employers making their staff work and then claiming off the govt

By:
jucel69
When: 26 Mar 20 21:47

Mar 26, 2020 -- 9:46PM, saddo wrote:


Yes, perfection is difficult in a few days.


a lot of people will have been working day and night to get this plan sorted

By:
Cider
When: 26 Mar 20 21:47
I believe him when he said the overriding factor was that it needed to be deliverable.
By:
Cider
When: 26 Mar 20 21:48

Mar 26, 2020 -- 9:46PM, jucel69 wrote:


Mar 26, 2020 --  8:45PM, Cider wrote:I assume it's because there's no way to differentiate between who can still work during lockdown and who can't.same with paye, there will be employers making their staff work and then claiming off the govt


It's actually against the rules to work while furloughed.

By:
1st time poster
When: 26 Mar 20 21:49
no but paying people and telling them they can carrymon working goes against police fining you for going for a 2nd walk, even if they wernt going to police it why not say you,ll only get it if you self isolate,cant see a downside to that,utter incompetency imo,be ripped apart tomorrow by media suspect
By:
jucel69
When: 26 Mar 20 21:49

Mar 26, 2020 -- 9:48PM, Cider wrote:


Mar 26, 2020 --  8:46PM, jucel69 wrote:Mar 26, 2020 --  8:45PM, Cider wrote:I assume it's because there's no way to differentiate between who can still work during lockdown and who can't.same with paye, there will be employers making their staff work and then claiming off the govtIt's actually against the rules to work while furloughed.


yeh I know but that isn't going to stop some folk

By:
saddo
When: 26 Mar 20 21:50
Cider, I think the gov have done as well as possible in the circumstances, there will always be those trying it on in chaotic situations.
By:
Cider
When: 26 Mar 20 21:50

Mar 26, 2020 -- 9:49PM, jucel69 wrote:


Mar 26, 2020 --  8:48PM, Cider wrote:Mar 26, 2020 --  8:46PM, jucel69 wrote:Mar 26, 2020 --  8:45PM, Cider wrote:I assume it's because there's no way to differentiate between who can still work during lockdown and who can't.same with paye, there will be employers making their staff work and then claiming off the govtIt's actually against the rules to work while furloughed.yeh I know but that isn't going to stop some folk


There's no benefit to anyone doing this, unless they are paying cash off the record.

By:
jucel69
When: 26 Mar 20 21:52

Mar 26, 2020 -- 9:50PM, Cider wrote:


Mar 26, 2020 --  8:49PM, jucel69 wrote:Mar 26, 2020 --  8:48PM, Cider wrote:Mar 26, 2020 --  8:46PM, jucel69 wrote:Mar 26, 2020 --  8:45PM, Cider wrote:I assume it's because there's no way to differentiate between who can still work during lockdown and who can't.same with paye, there will be employers making their staff work and then claiming off the govtIt's actually against the rules to work while furloughed.yeh I know but that isn't going to stop some folkThere's no benefit to anyone doing this, unless they are paying cash off the record.


there a few ways, people can get imaginative in these one off scenarios!

By:
Cider
When: 26 Mar 20 21:53

Mar 26, 2020 -- 9:50PM, saddo wrote:


Cider, I think the gov have done as well as possible in the circumstances, there will always be those trying it on in chaotic situations.


I agree saddo, the bad taste is low paid workers who are still required to work, in difficult circumstances when some well off people will literally be getting money for nothing. There will be a lot of resentment I fear but there's no obvious solution.

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