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Italy coronavirus: new explosive information.

A very brief update.  Read this carefully.  Many people who were diagnosed as "coronavirus cases" in Italy, and then died, were almost certainly put on antiviral drugs.  As you'll see, below, a significant percentage of these people had prior heart conditions or high blood pressure.  But at least one of the antiviral drugs, called ribavirin, carries this VERY RELEVANT warning, from cardiosmart[dot]org: "Ribavirin may decrease the number of red blood cells in your body. This is called anemia and it can be life-threatening in people who have heart disease or circulation problems."  High blood pressure is a circulatory problem.  Understand?  Get it?  LIFE-THREATENING.  So how many coronavirus patients have been killed by the administering of ribavirin?

And with THAT, let's jump in...because there's more.  Much more.

For those people who have any belief in the coronavirus...

Here's the basic situation: the Italian health agencies are reporting escalating COV deaths---big fear-story out front...

But in the background, other Italian government researchers are combing through patient records, to take a much closer look...to see whether people are dying from the virus or other more obvious causes.

Are people dying coincidentally WITH the virus, or BECAUSE OF the virus?  Is the virus a mere harmless passenger in the body, or is it the driving force?

The Italian results are astonishing, to understate it by a mile.

Bloomberg News has the story: 3/18, "99 percent of those whose died from virus had other illness, Italy says":

"More than 99% [!] of Italy's coronavirus fatalities were people who suffered from previous medical conditions, according to a study by the country's national health authority."

"The Rome-based institute has examined medical records of about 18% of the country's coronavirus fatalities [so far, because it's slow work], finding that just three victims [!!], or 0.8% of the total, had no previous pathology [disease]. Almost half of the victims suffered from at least three prior illnesses and about a fourth had either one or two previous conditions."

"More than 75% had high blood pressure, about 35% had diabetes and a third suffered from heart disease."

"The average age of those who've died from the virus in Italy is 79.5 [!!!]. As of March 17, 17 people under 50 had died from the disease. All of Italy's victims under 40 have been males with serious existing medical conditions."

BANG.

Average age of those who've died: 79.5.  Are you kidding?  Lots of prior medical conditions, weakened immune systems, and what this emerging study isn't saying: all these people had obviously been treated for those prior conditions with toxic medical drugs.  Furthermore, once they'd been diagnosed with coronavirus, chances are many of them were put on highly toxic antiviral drugs.  Thus delivering the final blow.

Imagining the coronavirus was the CAUSE of death would be a ridiculous fantasy.  But these people are counted as "coronavirus deaths" by the other Italian reporting agencies, who are jacking up the numbers.

Does this remind you of any other reports I've been detailing?  The elderly people with obvious prior diseases who died in Australia; and the elderly people who were diagnosed as coronavirus cases in the state of Washington---all living in a long-term-care nursing home?

Getting the picture?  This death-numbers con---aside from covering up the real causes of death, including MEDICAL---is the forward spear being used to justify locking down and wrecking economies all over the world right now, and that means attacking the people in any way connected to those economies who have to work to make a living.

There are statistical vampires at work, using the elderly and sick and dying to feed numbers to health agencies around the planet.  Those agencies tap their press contacts, and horror reports emerge, and the unsuspecting public, in economic lockdowns, sit in front of the tube and watch these reports, and inhale the cooked-up fear.

Turn your mind to the highest setting, because nothing is riding on this whole deal except the immediate future of humanity.

And again, cardiosmart[dot]org: "Ribavirin may decrease the number of red blood cells in your body. This is called anemia and it can be life-threatening in people who have heart disease or circulation problems."

WHY ISN'T THIS HEADLINE NEWS ? ASK YOURSELF THAT IF NOTHING ELSE.

Jon Rap. 20/3/21

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By:
Crisp77
When: 20 Mar 20 11:08
"What a mistake-a to make-a!"
By:
breadnbutter
When: 20 Mar 20 11:58
It' the pasta imo
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 20 Mar 20 12:14
So how many coronavirus patients have been killed by the administering of ribavirin?

The report doesn't say how many might have been given the drug, in fact how do they know any of them were given it?

The report merely sows the seed of suspicion in the readers mind, and then takes it as likely that they died from the drug.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 20 Mar 20 12:19
Having written that, I wouldn't take a doctors word for it that a drug is all good with little downside.

But if you're sick in bed you have little choice but to take it.
By:
SontaranStratagem
When: 20 Mar 20 13:57
Or you could just let the sickness ride out
By:
stewarts rise
When: 20 Mar 20 14:46
Are we to presume that the 15 doctors who have died trying to treat the virus had underlying health conditions and would have died anyway, are the Army trucks full of dead bodies because the morgues and crematoriums can't cope just scaremongering, because they must have been able to cope with normal death rates beforehand.
By:
1st time poster
When: 20 Mar 20 14:57
STEWARTS
this is your very last chance of talking sense anymore and the knuckldraggers will have you banned
By:
1st time poster
When: 20 Mar 20 14:59
the mortuaries should start piling the bodies up outside Weatherspoon pubs
By:
peckerdunne
When: 20 Mar 20 15:03
this is pure bullshitt, the issue is within the lungs,restricting capacity, it is in the lungs doing damage before the patient has been verified as having the disease..
By:
SontaranStratagem
When: 20 Mar 20 15:15
BS pecker

Lungs are the first things to suffer with any serious disease, pneumonia it sounds like with the flu causing it

Fluids can get on the chest

They are literally giving out flu diagnosis with the elder patients getting pneumonia because of it

Doctors need to come out and tell the truth
By:
SontaranStratagem
When: 20 Mar 20 15:18
This whole thing is beyond stupid when you think how doctors are not being honest either

hence why they want young students in there because they are totally and utterly thick, I mean there's some so called young aspiring doctors out there that couldn't tell you what constitutes a fever ffs, its utterly mental
By:
SontaranStratagem
When: 20 Mar 20 15:19
They'll tell you (young doctor student) that 38.5 is not a fever ffs

What are they teaching these people?
By:
SontaranStratagem
When: 20 Mar 20 15:20
They've been taught to hand out steroids like sweeties ffs
By:
breadnbutter
When: 20 Mar 20 16:21
Perhaps some soothing whale sounds or them long play of waves gently  lapping on the shore of  a pebble beach, have you tried 8hrs of time by hans zimmer.
By:
SontaranStratagem
When: 21 Mar 20 01:16
Funny thing is though, if we did all sit in our homes for 30 days it'd be all done with LaughLaugh

They are telling us the rules, play along with it for 30 days and you'll be allowed back to your breadncircuses
By:
terry mccann
When: 21 Mar 20 01:24
They could keep this going on for years with their false information,who does that benefit?
By:
SontaranStratagem
When: 21 Mar 20 02:16
True terry

Who knows how long this will go on

I might be wrong and the joke would be on me Plain
By:
brassneck
When: 21 Mar 20 02:44
And i bet all that died had the flu vaccine before christmas,and before Corona was born.Shocked
By:
brassneck
When: 21 Mar 20 03:10
now i am only guessing,but what if the Corona virus mixed with the last flu vaccine that was administered world wide to kill a certain section .its all most all old people or people who were sick and got the flu injection that have died,health workers also died,but most health workers will avail of the flu injection because of their employment.
the connection between the people who have died and also had the flu injection is striking,yet the majority of people who got corona virus and did not get the flu injection survive .and all children who would not have got the flu injection have no problem.
could it be a virus  that mixes the flu vaccine when it gets into the body and causes death.
as i am saying ,i am only guessing.
By:
SontaranStratagem
When: 21 Mar 20 03:16
https://youtu.be/zf7jW2ck7AI

This NHS worker not seeing any personally, and he looks pretty chuffed

And refusing to swab people who thought they had it as well, everything I'm watching and checking out seems to not be not what the media are reporting

I'm confused by it all Laugh none of the politicians or sports starts who have had it "tested positive" have shown any symptoms whatsoever, none of them have died

And PSGs footballers were waltzing round a hospital in Paris yesterday, no masks no protective gear... What is going on?

Meanwhile the rest of us are having to put up with idiots pinching everything off the shelves, are about to see violence to boot

Why isn't anyone getting suspicious ?
By:
SontaranStratagem
When: 21 Mar 20 03:19
This was the 19th March as well so technically yesterday

And this bloke has all the time in the world to do all his editing and filming throughout his shift Crazy

They are suppose to be at "breaking point"

People are getting more and more anxious by the day, its going to get tense out there and if these p**ks pulling this off aren't careful they ain't going to have a society to reopen

If its how I believe which is an operation
By:
SontaranStratagem
When: 21 Mar 20 03:38
https://youtu.be/jUnVxjaWIBM

I'm but this is facking idiocy on a massive scale, we've got media outlets showing coffins now and telling us all to get ready

Fear needs to turn to absolute ba*tard rage

And to think this cants were pushing "Brexit" none stop only 6 months ago

Media corporations just waltzing round hospitals showing us suffering patients now ffs

Where did they get the permission to do this, wouldn't the families need to give the permission? if it indeed is an actual bloody hospital, I mean they are sending the troops in tomorrow but the media can still waltz around the country filming that stuff

Unbelievable
By:
lfc1971
When: 21 Mar 20 09:52
you can almost hear the scurrying of little white mice
By:
tashkent terror
When: 21 Mar 20 11:48
Latest WHO sit rep, Italy 3407 deaths from 41035 cases, Germany 20 deaths from 10999 cases.

hmmmm...something not quite right here.
By:
lurka
When: 21 Mar 20 11:54
why do people pay any attention to case numbers?
The only real-time or reliable data is deaths.
Case numbers are always a good few days behind and are based on testing policy in each country, which is different in every country, and no country has tested its entire population.

Death numbers go up massively when the health service is overwhelmed. This is the case in Italy and has been for some time, nowhere near that in Germany.
By:
1st time poster
When: 21 Mar 20 12:13
I don't want to feed the deniers amunation, but heard sky,s daily expert yesterday say there,s some information,/theory around Germanys death rate because of whats written on the death certificate, cue forum meltdown CryCry
By:
1st time poster
When: 21 Mar 20 12:15
maybe in germany if you were already in hospital or went in hospital for over medical reasons, and were only tested positive after dying ,you don't count as a corona victim
By:
David Icke
When: 21 Mar 20 12:20
Germany testing a lot more people, only logical there are more confirmed cases. Gives an idea of how many infected people are walking around in countries with limited testing. Worrying.
By:
Injera
When: 21 Mar 20 12:28
1TP - what is written on the death certificate is crucial in understanding the threat of this illness.

Most experts agree that the virus causes pneumonia. Is the reason for dying covid -19 or pneumonia?

When an older person has a fall, it can provoke a heart attack or they can be hospitalised, catch a bug and die. What do they put on the DC? A fall or the final reason?
By:
lurka
When: 21 Mar 20 12:42
Germany's health service is the best in Europe by a long way. They have almost 5 times the ICU beds per capita of UK, Ireland and Italy. You can take from that that their population is a lot healthier than in those other countries. None of their cases were in need of intensive care at the 16,000 level. They are at the 20k level now with 70 deaths but only 180 cases are listed as recovered, that's why their numbers are low. You get hospital treatment for anything over there, they don't mess around when it comes to their health. They are testing as many as possible, trying to find cases not hide them like the UK is.
By:
1st time poster
When: 21 Mar 20 13:11
ALL WELL and good but the evidence from Italy is you can have as many beds,ventilators as you want there only been used to die in, people once in icu and ventilator that's it, the hospital been used on sky as an example has had one person responding out of 100,s, sad to say all there doing is taking time,staff away from people who may survive,hence in Italy the cases needing hospital treatment are getting younger
By:
terry mccann
When: 21 Mar 20 13:41
When something appears from nowhere you need to ask one question WHO DOES IT BENIFIT? Society is being brought to its knees though this-why?
By:
lurka
When: 21 Mar 20 14:32

Mar 21, 2020 -- 1:11PM, 1st time poster wrote:


ALL WELL and good but the evidence from Italy is you can have as many beds,ventilators as you want there only been used to die in, people once in icu and ventilator that's it, the hospital been used on sky as an example has had one person responding out of 100,s, sad to say all there doing is taking time,staff away from people who may survive,hence in Italy the cases needing hospital treatment are getting younger


How thick are you? People in Italy are dying because they can't get treatment because the hospitals are overwhelmed. The more capacity you have the less likely and later it will be before that happens. But you think the number of beds and ICUs doesn't matter? Yeah OK. And you think that the staff should be leaving people in ICU and on ventilators to die and go treat others instead. What exactly do you expect staff to do with these people if they can't use the best equipment available to them? Go on, we're all ears....

Ventilators and ICUs are the best equipment you can have to save lives. Why do you think every country on the planet is trying to get their hands on them FFS? It's clueless mugs like you who think they know more than qualified doctors that are part of the problem and the UK seems to have an inordinate amount of them.

By:
1st time poster
When: 21 Mar 20 14:44
I,m thick
watch and listen people in Italy arnt responding to the ventilators not one person has yet to leave an icu unit in Italy alive, last week they were worried they wernt using equipment right, using principle,s used in pneumonia ,lie on stomach for 16 hrs helps breathing etc,this virus is not responding in same way,
uk and the world are gearing up to treat this as they would treat other flu outbreaks, pneumonia ,evidence in Italy says this virus isn't responding in same way,
I,m only quoting media quoting the dr,s treating the patiednts,if you no better go knock yourself out
so why don't you foooooook off you stupid fooooooking kooooont and educaate yourself
By:
1st time poster
When: 21 Mar 20 14:48
to make it foooooking simple according to every report, evidence from Italy
if you had a ward  with 50 icu,s in 50 people are dying
if you had one with 100 icu beds in a 100 are dying

according to every media outlet no one entering an icu in Italy and been on a ventilator has recovered, currently they,ve got one person showing signs of recovering

if their wrong I apologise on their behalf
By:
casemoney
When: 21 Mar 20 14:48
BBC WITH THE TRAGIC CASE OF HEALTHY LOOKING 52 YEAR OLD WOMAN IN BALI WHO DIED OF THE VIRUS !!/3 

We get to the bottom to find she had under gone two major surgeries .....
By:
casemoney
When: 21 Mar 20 14:50
THE TAG APPEARS VERY EASY TO APPLY IMVHO

By the way life returning to Normal China people back out on the streets Plain
By:
casemoney
When: 21 Mar 20 14:51
So 1tp do we have a different Virus in Europe ???
By:
Ibrahima Sonko
When: 21 Mar 20 14:52
1tp has something and it aint healthy.
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