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Another red pill by Tony Heller
Cold Is Hot - Slavery Is Freedom https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St6E1cF00GA |
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ieff7 - thanks for that. Very interesting video.
Sadly it's obvious that snow and ice will also be blamed on carbon emissions. |
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ieff712 Nov 19 00:47Joined: 02 Jun 04 | Topic/replies: 355 | Blogger: ieff7's blog
Another red pill by Tony Heller Cold Is Hot - Slavery Is Freedom https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St6E1cF00GA Interesting ieff712, However, those who follow the official narratives without questioning them will dismiss this like every other piece of information which threatens their world of fantasy  |
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northanlite09 Nov 19 19:12Joined: 07 Jun 04 | Topic/replies: 13,431 | Blogger: northanlite's blog
So if someone puts up reams of data following years of study but their conclusion differs from yours, will you asses it, analyse it and digest it fully or just dismiss it in favour of a 5 min youtube video? Obviously you cannot read in addition to having zero comprehension of the big picture. |
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Mexico
Mexico09 Nov 19 14:30Joined: 25 Mar 03 | Topic/replies: 6,097 | Blogger: Mexico's blog John I can assure you that science & mathematics IS a skill which can be taught to those intelligent enough to learn new skills. Just because you failed basic maths & science does not mean the rest of the planet can't be taught basic science. You stick to "cherry picking loon tube videos " & keep believing that failing all your exams isn't a problem. Hope this helps but there [sic] again maybe it wont [sic]Confused As i said Mexico. You are officially relieved of duties. CASE CLOSED. |
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And last but not least .. The head honcho or as i like to say, The Joker
Charlie09 Nov 19 18:19Joined: 01 Dec 01 | Topic/replies: 28,062 | Blogger: Charlie's blog J He urges us to think outside of the box but before you can do that you have to know what's inside the box to start with. Progress in science, and other disciplines, was often made by people doing just that (thinking outside of the box). But, and it's a big but, they had more than a fundamental understanding of their discipline to start with. That is what conspiritards lack and where education comes in as it teaches skills like critical thinking, respect for information sources and, amongst other things, the ability to communicate well. All of these are clearly lacking in his posts. He tells us that we have to read as many books as possible which I would tend to agree with but reading David Icke and his ilk isn't going to do you any good. As for cherry picking loon tubes I don't think that needs answering. He has, for whatever reason, chosen to go the uneducated conspiritard way. That's his choice but when he keeps spouting bollocks I'll keep pointing out why he's talking bollocks. Waffle Henry offers nothing to any thread. His only mantra is the well-rehearsed clap trap of the conspiritards. : Usual insults from the great uneducated moron that is Charlie. I have no need to respond to that sentence other than t refer everyone back to this : Charlie Charlie23 Sep 19 18:33Joined: 01 Dec 01 | Topic/replies: 27,696 | Blogger: Charlie's blog One of the greatest speeches of all time by Greta. I applaud her Progress in science, and other disciplines, was often made by people doing just that (thinking outside of the box). But, and it's a big but, they had more than a fundamental understanding of their discipline to start with : Ok Charlie big balls where is your evidence to substantiate that massive claim ? Lets suppose those that know how to manipulate the masses also now exactly how to do it !!! I expect this is going to go way over your head but i will try and simplify it for you. At the outset of a major planned scam Experts in propagander will be brought in to sow the necessary seeds into the areas of the press, media and scientific community which they know will bring about a false acceptance of the lie / deception / manipulation throughout the required audience. Give them the bait and before you know it they all run with it as the truth. Wars have been started on the back of such manipulation of the consciousness of the masses so this climate change nonsense in nothing more than a stroll in the park for them. That is what conspiritards lack and where education comes in as it teaches skills like critical thinking, respect for information sources and, amongst other things, the ability to communicate well. All of these are clearly lacking in his posts : You respect sources which are manufactured to suit your way of thinking. Nothing more , nothing less. You can criticise me as much as you want as it dont bother me one iota. I rattle your cage and that was always my goal  He tells us that we have to read as many books as possible which I would tend to agree with but reading David Icke and his ilk isn't going to do you any good. As for cherry picking loon tubes I don't think that needs answering. : Where have i ever said i have read any of David Ickes books ? I have said that i think he gets many things right but i do not agree with everything as that is my choice. He has, for whatever reason, chosen to go the uneducated conspiritard way. That's his choice but when he keeps spouting bollocks I'll keep pointing out why he's talking bollocks. : The day will never come when you will be able to justifiably acuse me of speaking bollocks and frankly anyone who falls for that Greta carp and puts it up in lights would be better off laying low for a while as you clearly need to take a break from here  Hope i haven't missed anyone out  |
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Just to close , as i have said many times b4, I haven't really got a clue about climate science but what i do know is when i smell bullshyte, read bullshyte and hear bullshyte, being spouted about a certain topic then the chances are heavily stacked on it actually being BULLSHYTE
The key factors in identifying it on these pages are if buffoons like Charlie and Mexico and others are getting behind an official narrative you will know deep down that if they were dogs and were faced with two trees from which to take a pick from, one or the other, they would 100% bark up the wrong one They have been sent to these pages as markers.I urge everyone to use them as they are as good as it gets for getting everything completely wrong . Who knows it may actually encourage them to think about things properly b4 spouting their usual nonsense. There is the hope anyway. Enjoy your daze  |
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Musk alone with the other nutters have sent their sats into space so we all can have even faster broadband 1,0002s of them. What the hell will that do the Ozone? These are the same **** telling us all its our fault,nothing to do with them then? Fater broadband for us all o how vety nice,musk stick it up yer ar$e you freak.
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These people should have their broadcasting licences taken away or rename their channel The Cartoon Network assuming Tottenham would not object to sharing air time with them!
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I watched that Tony Heller video, I have no idea if he is correct and connecting the climate change propaganda with conspiracies to reduce world population would make him less plausible to me. But the argument is there to be had, if only one side was willing to engage instead of steamrollering.
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I know the World is warming up. I do not know if it is because of us. The dinosaurs were around for a long time. They ate a lot of plants and must have farted a lot. I do not think we shall be around as long as the dinosaurs and frankly I don't care as long as I can have holidays in exotic places!
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The Heller video is consipitardness at it's finest. It picks out four graphs from a few hundred and uses those graphs alone as his argument that the USA is not getting hotter. Of course he doesn't discuss the graphs and why the spike around 1930 may have occurred. That wouldn't suit his agenda. Even if he was proved correct (which he's not) how would that disprove global warming?
Picking out newspaper articles about snow at some ski resorts would be fine if he also picked out similar articles, of which there are many, of lack of snow at some ski resorts. He surely didn't mention that a rise in atmospheric moisture because of higher temperatures would cause more snow in certain parts of the world. Climate change models predict more extreme weather. You'd be a brave person to argue that recent years haven't save seen extreme weather across the globe. Somebody else doesn't like what he says: Debunking Tony Heller's 'Gift to Climate Alarmists' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjPkclkZh6o |
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John
If you bothered to understand the basic points of global warming then you would do a far better job of identifying "BULLDHINE" on loon tube. Basically you are not doing a good job. Science and maths IS a skill which can be taught, why not spend some time picking up the basic principles , who knows you may eventually be able to take those exams you kept failing if you are so inclined. The idea that a few ski seasons of heavy snow in some ski resorts does not demonstrate that the planet isn't getting warmer. I suggest you use a thermometer to measure temperature NOT snow. Are you aware for snow we need moisture & temperature at or below 0C. If the planet is getting warmer then we expect more moisture in the atmosphere. Ski resorts where historical temps are well below zero can warm up a degree or so and STILL be below 0C. In these local situations would we expect more snow, less snow, same amount as historical levels? |
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John.W.Henry. • November 12, 2019 9:53 AM GMT
And last but not least .. The head honcho or as i like to say, The Joker Me: Progress in science, and other disciplines, was often made by people doing just that (thinking outside of the box). But, and it's a big but, they had more than a fundamental understanding of their discipline to start with Him: Ok Charlie big balls where is your evidence to substantiate that massive claim ? Me: Name one scientist in any discipline that didn't have a excellent grounding in their subject. You wont. Before you make a breakthrough in science you need to know what you're on about. That's the way it works. Try other disciplines and it generally works the same way. You can't be brilliant at maths if you don't know the rules. |
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John.W.Henry. • November 12, 2019 9:53 AM GMT
And last but not least .. The head honcho or as i like to say, The Joker Him: You can criticise me as much as you want as it dont bother me one iota. I rattle your cage and that was always my goal Me: Wrong. You don't rattle me cage. You ain't clever enough. |
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John.W.Henry. • November 12, 2019 9:53 AM GMT
And last but not least .. The head honcho or as i like to say, The Joker Him: Where have i ever said i have read any of David Ickes books ? I have said that i think he gets many things right but i do not agree with everything as that is my choice. Me: Ok enough said. You believe many things Icke says. |
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John.W.Henry. • November 12, 2019 9:53 AM GMT
And last but not least .. The head honcho or as i like to say, The Joker Him: The day will never come when you will be able to justifiably acuse me of speaking bollocks and frankly anyone who falls for that Greta carp and puts it up in lights would be better off laying low for a while as you clearly need to take a break from here Me: I have justifiably accused you of talking bollocks on every post you have made and said why. Me: Greta has done a very good job at getting under the reptile skin of people like you. So far she's doing excellently. |
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Fecking cold wind blowing today chaz,just like a November day should be-stop talking made up b0llocks
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Terry
Do you understand what the "GLOBAL " part of the phrase "Global warming" means? I would expect a 6 year old to understand the meaning so I think you will understand. Is it pretty cold and wet around Sydney this November? So Terry do you believe that the planet hasn't warmed in past 100 years ? Or do you believe the MSM & scientists when they claim it has? Or maybe you will refuse to answer this simple question? |
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The month of July saw more water melt in to the sea by twice the amount for the previous 100 YEARS
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Mexico, how do these super scientists account for all the millions of years worth of temperature stats that they dont have?
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Charlie12 Nov 19 21:13Joined: 01 Dec 01 | Topic/replies: 28,067 | Blogger: Charlie's blog
John.W.Henry. • November 12, 2019 9:53 AM GMT And last but not least .. The head honcho or as i like to say, The Joker Honcho. Progress in science, and other disciplines, was often made by people doing just that (thinking outside of the box). But, and it's a big but, they had more than a fundamental understanding of their discipline to start with Me, Ok Charlie big balls where is your evidence to substantiate that massive claim ? Honcho : Name one scientist in any discipline that didn't have a excellent grounding in their subject. Depends what you mean by grounding ? You wont. Because if you are studying flawed science you will repeat flawed science ! Get it yet ? Before you make a breakthrough in science you need to know what you're on about.Exactly. also you need permission to reveal that breakthrough to the world. If it doesn't fit the criteria it will be suppressed. Getting there yet ? That's the way it works. Try other disciplines and it generally works the same way. Again spot on. How are cancer research getting on with there century of research ? You can't be brilliant at maths if you don't know the rules. The rules are made to suit the narrative. 14 is the new 15. NASA SCIENTIST as an EG As I said .... If what your studying is flawed then your net results will be flawed. They are great at helping aid the propaganda though. Fook all else !!!! As usual NO EVIDENCE Science is manufactured to suit the narratives in the required fields. Thats all you need to know. Because you cannot prove otherwise. Just WIKI / NASA nonsense by the head honcho. |
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Charlie12 Nov 19 21:15Joined: 01 Dec 01 | Topic/replies: 28,067 | Blogger: Charlie's blog
John.W.Henry. • November 12, 2019 9:53 AM GMT And last but not least .. The head honcho or as i like to say, The Joker Him: You can criticise me as much as you want as it dont bother me one iota. I rattle your cage and that was always my goal Me: Wrong. You don't rattle me cage. You ain't clever enough. I will let others debate that from the nonsense you spout on here daily.  Signed. THE RATTLER |
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Charlie12 Nov 19 21:17Joined: 01 Dec 01 | Topic/replies: 28,067 | Blogger: Charlie's blog
John.W.Henry. • November 12, 2019 9:53 AM GMT And last but not least .. The head honcho or as i like to say, The Joker Him: Where have i ever said i have read any of David Ickes books ? I have said that i think he gets many things right but i do not agree with everything as that is my choice. Me: Ok enough said. You believe many things Icke says. I understand a lot of things that he states. I dont agree with everything as i have said countless times SIGNED THE RATTLER |
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Charlie12 Nov 19 21:22Joined: 01 Dec 01 | Topic/replies: 28,067 | Blogger: Charlie's blog
John.W.Henry. • November 12, 2019 9:53 AM GMT And last but not least .. The head honcho or as i like to say, The Joker Him: The day will never come when you will be able to justifiably acuse me of speaking bollocks and frankly anyone who falls for that Greta carp and puts it up in lights would be better off laying low for a while as you clearly need to take a break from here Me: I have justifiably accused you of talking bollocks on every post you have made and said why. No you havent. You have voiced your opinion. Which you are entitled to do but nothing else. You buy into the bollocks. I don't. I research deeper than you do and that is why i know more. NAP. Me: Greta has done a very good job at getting under the reptile skin of people like you. So far she's doing excellently. Sadly for her she has been used as a scapegoat for all the climate science nonsense. I think many feel sorry for her rather than think that she is getting under the skin. Maybe making it crawl mind Sad f**kers like you Charlie are worse than the majority who believe in the tripe as you have had the benefit of a few who understand the workings of the world, far better than you do, try to help you, yet you still refuse to be helped Go back to hero worshipping the great thunderburger and dont stop to collect your £200 if you pass go Its all a game Charlie boy. All a game. |
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Hope i haven't missed anything. I dont bother with the chit chat scientist anymore as he has been relieved of duties and the Head Honcho has taken his place as captain of the good ship TITANIC !!
You see when you bat for the truth this is all so easy  You expose the bullies , rattle their cages and all their bollox fall out all over the place.  Enough of this, ENJOY YOUR DAZE. Signing out .. THE RATTLER |
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Loving that piccy juice
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Spot onBut anyone here with an open mind needs to look up the United Nations Agenda 30 to see where all this C/C b0llocks fits in. Warning; it aint good  |
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Still funny
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB0aFPXr4n4 |
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The green energy targets being pursued by Britain’s main political parties are so impossibly deluded, fantastical and overambitious that they could only be achievable with the intervention of herds of magical unicorns.
So says Cambridge engineering professor Michael Kelly in a stinging rebuke to the Net Zero policies currently being championed by Boris Johnson and his rivals in their desperate race to the green bottom. The Conservatives, Labour and the Liberal Democrats are all committed to carbon emissions reduction targets which they cannot hope to attain and which will be hugely damaging both to Britain’s prosperity and freedoms. Professor Kelly has said: “For the world to reverse two centuries of industrial development in a few decades would require the efforts of herds of unicorns.” Kelly was speaking in London at the annual lecture of the Global Warming Policy Foundation. His speech – Energy Utopias and Engineering Reality – is a much needed corrective to the view, shockingly prevalent among the groupthink-afflicted political class not just in Britain but throughout most Western economies, that dramatic decarbonisation is both desirable and possible. According to Kelly, one of the few serious thinkers to have considered the practical implications of taking an economy ‘Net Zero’, decarbonisation is neither desirable nor possible – at least not outside a 400-year time frame. Green evangelists often talk about decarbonisation being the next Moon landing – one of those massive projects which the weight of government can get behind to create a better future. But in fact, Kelly argues, the better analogy is President Nixon’s 1971 State of the Nation address in which he promised to throw whatever funds were necessary to finding a cure for cancer. Five decades on the cure remains elusive. Kelly says: So the recent academic plea for mass leave of absence to ‘save the planet’ was quite misleading in appealing to the moon-shot as an exemplar – climate is more akin to the cancer example. The target of decarbonising the world economy by 2050, he argues, is unrealistically ambitious. In order to keep global temperatures to within 1.5◦C of pre-industrial levels, we intend to eliminate emissions of greenhouse gases (mainly carbon dioxide) by replacing all the energy developments since about 1880 with zero-carbon alternatives. This is to be achieved by 2050. Even reaching the old target of an 80% reduction in carbon dioxide emissions would be miraculous; this is a level of emissions not seen since 1880. I assert that a herd of unicorns will be needed to deliver this target, let alone full decarbonisation. I also point out the utter nonsense of Extinction Rebellion’s demands to complete the task by 2025. Whatever paltry efforts Western economies make to reduce their reliance on fossil fuels are being dwarfed by a developing world which is hungry for real, reliable energy. One notes that we have not had an ‘energy transition’: fossil fuels have continued to grow steadily at a rate about 7–8 times that of renewable technologies over the last 20 years. The energy demand of the major developed countries has been static or in small decline over that period. Most of the increase has come from growth in the global middle class, which increased by 1.5 billion people in the 20 years to 2015. The World Bank is anticipating a further increase of 2.5 billion by 2035, much of it the result of China’s Belt and Road Initiative, and BP estimate a further 40% growth in global energy demand by then. In the UK there has been a steady fall in carbon dioxide emissions since 1990. But in the international context, this is entirely pointless. However, UK decreases are dwarfed by global increases. After no-growth years in 2016 and 2017, global carbon dioxide emissions grew by 3% in 2018. European emissions fell but the growth in all the other parts of the world was 17 times greater. Worse, Britain’s – and Europe’s – decarbonisation has been achieved only at great cost to the economy, particularly with regards to balance of payments. UK manufacture has simply been offshored to China. Figure 9 shows the increasing deficit of the UK balance of payments with respect to manufactures since then. In other words, a significant proportion of our emissions have been exported to China and elsewhere. Indeed, over the period 1991– 2007, the emissions associated with rising imports almost exactly cancelled the UK emissions reduction! He adds: Some of the measures introduced by the Climate Change Committee have actually made global emissions worse. Where we once smelted aluminium using electricity generated from a mixture of nuclear, gas and coal, we now import our aluminium from China where electricity is nearly all made from coal. What is worse, the smelter in Anglesey had a contract to use more electricity when the local demand was low (at night and on weekends); costs were kept lower for everyone. Now the smelter has gone, local consumers have to pay more for their electricity as the generators are less efficiently used. This is not – it hardly needs stating – a good look for all those political parties claiming to want to help workers and revive business in the regions: on energy and the environment, they are all pushing the very policies guaranteed to make British regional workers suffer. Even were decarbonising Western economies practicable – which it is not – its putative benefits would be more than offset by the much more dramatic increase in carbon emissions from economies like India and China. Kelly likens this to one group of people (the Western economies) digging tiny holes only to have another group (India, China etc) appearing with relays of wheelbarrows to fill them up again – and more. I now have a simple pragmatic question to ask. Suppose I agree to pay you £100 to dig a two-metre-deep hole for me to bury family treasure. You set about digging, but find your progress thwarted by a hundred people with wheelbarrows full of earth coming to fill in your hole. What would you do? Keep on digging regardless or stop and try to find out what is going on? To your protest that you are being paid to dig a hole, you are told that the others are being paid much more to fill in any holes that appear! At this time there are people in several countries, including both the United Kingdom and New Zealand, both of whose passports I hold, who are straining to turn off the last coal-fired power stations in the cause of climate change mitigation. But the Chinese Belt and Road Initiative, the largest civil engineering project in the world, will help over 2 billion people in West Asia and Africa out of poverty and hunger over the next 30 years, just as earlier projects took 600 million people in China from rural squalor to middle-class comfort over the last 20 years. The initiative will include 700 new coal-fired power stations, over a third of which are currently being built. I do not support the neo-colonialist tendencies associated with the initiative, but it will go further than any other project to deliver the first and second of the UN’s Sustainable Development Goals: the elimination of world poverty and hunger. The climatic Sustainable Development Goal is number 13 on this list. Professor Kelly’s speech ought to be required reading for the Britain’s political class and its attendant Civil Service, mired as they are in green groupthink. Exposure to the facts confounding their uncosted, ill-considered green virtue-signalling might well cause their heads collectively to explode. But given how badly their pie-in-the-sky policies have betrayed the people they’re supposed to serve perhaps that would be no bad thing. . https://tinyurl.com/yehumcd9 |
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Terry
You once again post about Agenda 21 - Why do you post lies about it? You are daft enough to believe there are maps in the document explaining where humans will be forced to live. Why post those lies Terry. You even claimed to have paid for a copy (it is free to download) yet you didn't realise there are not loads of maps in the document. Why post lies Terry. I noticed Terry you didn't know what "global " means. - that is a skill which CAN be taught. |
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Moon
I generally don't know WTF you are on about. What f@@@king relevance is not having satellites a million years ago got to do with the measured increase in global temps in past 100 years, the measured change in CO2 levels & the scientific explanation of how CO2 levels effect temps? What do you suggest- do whatever we want for the next million years until we have more data. Maybe we could let of a few nuclear bombs at the same time - we don't have much data of amount of plutonium in animals from a million years ago so what harm can it do by increasing plutonium levels? |
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seriously mexico, you can see no relevance in not having that data?
so we are (well you) are making decisions based on 100 years of data. You dont spot a flaw in that? People have different view points and are entitled to them. Just because you wanna go with these facts does not mean we all should. TEXAN MUSIC. |
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I don't know what you are on about.
Are you really saying humans should do whatever they want for tge next million years because we don't have satellite data from 50,000 years ago? Seriously moon, seriously??? You dont[sic] spot a flaw in that? You can have whatever view you want - it really isn't my problem that the uneducated can't understand the most basic of scientific & mathematical concepts. It can be taught. |
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And there you go returning to your superiority complex.
Funny fella. TEXAN MUSIC for sure. |
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OK boomer
99% of the population are intelligent enough to see the flaw in the argument of... "Let's do whatever we want for the next million years , then we will have more data" It is hardly a "superiority complex " to belong in the top 99%. Come on Moon , it is not too late for you to join this "elite " 99% - you can do it. Do you see any flaws in your idea of waiting for a million years before deciding how serious the situation is? |