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By:
detraveller
When: 04 Jul 19 23:31
Anybody who spends their entire life believing that the 'next life' is going to be better than this life and that they will be suitably rewarded by following ancient myths and legends , none of which can be proven to be true , is making a serious misjudgement . Thus ensuring they waste the vast majority of the only life that they actually have evidence of in order to set themselves up for an afterlife that they will never experience because it simply doesn't exist !

As correct as it sounds, it is just your judgement against theirs. When you are born in a shethole you know you will never be able to get out of, the belief in you being rewarded after life makes a lot of sense. There simply is no alternative for many. Your thinking is a product of your environment, upbringing, education etc. You have the luxury of living and getting educated in the west and you use that to judge someone who's been exposed to something completely different right from birth.

No one wakes up cursing their own religion. Everyone thinks theirs is the best, and yours not. At the end of the day, they think you are as stupid as you think of them.

By the way, how do you know afterlife doesn't exist?
By:
DenzilPenberthy
When: 04 Jul 19 23:33
. You have the luxury of living and getting educated in the west and you use that to judge someone who's been exposed to something completely different right from birth.

Most of the ones doing the grooming are British Pakistanis who were born and schooled here,they are well aware of what our way of life is.
By:
Reynard
When: 04 Jul 19 23:38
There are plenty of muslims that do display an air of 'normality' .
Last month I watched the CL final in a local pub with a couple of mates . On arrival I pointed at the pint of lager Mohammad , in his Mo Salah shirt , was drinking and asked "I thought it was Ramadan" to which he replied "Ramadan's on hold , starts again tomorrow" . I'm convinced he only goes to Friday prayers to keep his father and uncles off his back Grin
By:
Reynard
When: 04 Jul 19 23:41
Wasn't it Hitchen's who said that it's only by fortune of where in the world one is born that decides whether you go to heaven or hell . It may have been Ricky Gervais now I think about it Confused
By:
detraveller
When: 04 Jul 19 23:48
That's a fair point Denzil, it did come to my mind while typing but i forgot to include it. I realize UK's situation is different from the rest of Europe(you're in much deeper shet).

For me it is very simple. I will not be spending my life trying to point out the faults in Islam or trying to repair it or expose it. If no one has managed that in 1400+ years i'm not wasting my time on that either. I just don't understand people's obsession with convincing others how bad Islam is. There is a clear failure on part of the ruling people. I know that because i've been a part of that system and seen it with my own eyes. People haven't even started to point fingers to the right places and they think just because they've figured out how bad Islam is they know where the problem lies. it is quite clear to me that as long as people convince themselves that Islam is the problem, the real culprits, the people in power, will never be touched or exposed.

It's the same in the rest of the world. The ruling classes there have convinced their people the west is their enemy. And it becomes so much easier for the people to blame everything on foreign powers and so the local rulers never have to answer for their agendas, just like in Europe today.
By:
Reynard
When: 04 Jul 19 23:55
I couldn't give a damn how 'bad' Islam is or isn't . But when the evil within Islam has direct consequences on the lives of innocent people then it becomes a serious problem that needs to be addressed .
Likewise , I couldn't care less about cannibals that live on remote South Pacific islands . But I don't feel the need to address their behavior because they ain't living in a town in West Yorkshire chomping through their neighbours !
By:
detraveller
When: 05 Jul 19 00:01
The actions resulting from the evil within Islam are illegal in your country and if you aren't able to stop those actions, its a failure of the legal system imo, not Islam. Repairing that system or making it effective is also the easier route as opposed to exposing Islam and getting it banned or something similar.

I realize communities in UK have made it hard for the police to work effectively but that's a small problem. The bigger problem is no one wants to do the dirty work. No one wants to enforce the law. On top of that you are fed crap day after day on the media. That to me is not only the bigger problem but also the easier problem to solve.
By:
DenzilPenberthy
When: 05 Jul 19 00:03
The main problem that can be fixed is simply to stop treating these grooming gang rapists like a protected species and show the problem publicly for what it is.
They are hiding behind Islamaphobia race cards and intolerance which means nobody is allowed to open the disgusting can of worms,those who've tried have lost jobs and reputations nobody in authority gives a fcuk about the victims and their families.
The number of double standards in this plague is off the chart and have been done to death on here and the rebuttal from the deniers on here says alot about dishonest people can be when they aren't affected by an issue or it clashes with their political viewpoint.
By:
Reynard
When: 05 Jul 19 00:04
Spot on , Denzil !!!
By:
Baphornet
When: 05 Jul 19 00:05
yes, blaming the legal system & not the perps is just another version of the same tripe
By:
detraveller
When: 05 Jul 19 00:06
Yes Denzil, but we all know that doesn't happen.
BBC runs on your license money. Yet you have no control over the crap it feeds you. You know its wrong but you can't do shet.
Similarly people have been following a religion for generations and you and I will never be able to change that. Yet we want that to happen! It never will.

The people that can change things need to be asked questions. That never happens because they expertly keep people busy in throwing labels around.
By:
DenzilPenberthy
When: 05 Jul 19 00:20
To be honest don't really care about religion especially this one that is all about control and power whether it be to control your family or to be more powerful in the rest of life.
Most people want open investigations with no biases and only truth with the perpetrators in authority properly investigated and brought to justice,the media blackout serves only to cover up the shocking crimes and create many more victims which every decent person can see.
By:
DenzilPenberthy
When: 05 Jul 19 00:25
Tommy Robinson sadly is an easy target for the muslim paedophile defenders every thread on here about him shows this.
detraveller you are from Germany yes well there are no-go areas in your big cities and a very definite media blackout there too.
By:
detraveller
When: 05 Jul 19 00:38
No go areas are everywhere in the world. I haven't seen any in Germany yet. I live in a small village(we took the brunt of the refugee crisis with schools partially closed to accommodate refugees and temporary police stations set up). Pretty sure there are no go areas here too but i don't know any. The police do a great job of keeping the movement of refugees under control and in some cases they arne't allowed to leave the city. Police is present on all stations and bus stops.

I don't listen to the mainstream media. I've subscribed to some international news sources on facebook like Economist, BBC, and that's usually the only time I see their news. Biased as feck as always. Thankfully I don't see a lot of that as I don't use much social media. I can't really comment on German media's reporting, don't listen to that at all.
By:
DenzilPenberthy
When: 05 Jul 19 00:43
There is plenty online about the no go areas as Merkel admitted them publicly hopefully the bad areas don't disperse into yours things can change fast if this country's anything to go by.
By:
detraveller
When: 05 Jul 19 00:49
I find it hard to believe some of those videos on youtube, that things like those are happening in Germany.

My thinking is pretty simple. Choose a nice neighborhood to live in and block out the rest of the nonsense. I am lucky to be living in a peaceful place. I couldn't give any fecks about where the country is heading, I'm not the patriotic type.
By:
Injera
When: 05 Jul 19 06:24
lux : Tommmy Robinson has said time and time again that 'Muslims are the primary victims of Islam' ... Consequently, a refusal to criticize Islam, is ultimately, to collude in the continued subjugation of Muslims the world over.



And there you have it. Bullseye. If Islam doesn't undergo a monumental reform it's the Muslims themselves (especially the females) who ultimately suffer.
By:
detraveller
When: 05 Jul 19 11:08
They aren't good with reforms. And when the suggestion is coming from the west, it will be portrayed as a conspiracy. You invade their lands and then talk about reforming their religion? Good luck.
By:
flushgordon1
When: 05 Jul 19 11:34
You know the people Tommy spoke to as they went into court were child rapists, right?

All of them convicted of raping children, right?

CALDECOTT JUST SAID TOMMY COMMITTED 'MOLESTATION' AGAINST THEM.
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By asking "how do you feel".

From Ezra levant Twitter feed.
Ffs.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 05 Jul 19 11:46
You know the people Tommy spoke to as they went into court were child rapists, right?

wrong


they were innocenr until proven guilty, as yaxley lennon himself was at pains to point out.
By:
DenzilPenberthy
When: 05 Jul 19 11:56

Jul 5, 2019 -- 11:46AM, ----you-have-to-laugh--- wrote:


You know the people Tommy spoke to as they went into court were child rapists, right?wrongthey were innocenr until proven guilty, as yaxley lennon himself was at pains to point out.


So was every other person who has been filmed,photographed,written in print and spoken about prior to their criminal cases what's so different about these cases?

By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 05 Jul 19 11:59
reporting restrictions were in place.
By:
DenzilPenberthy
When: 05 Jul 19 12:00
Why were reporting restrictions in place?
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 05 Jul 19 12:06
some of the blokes were also involved future trials, so showing them may
affect the future trials in which blokes not involved in this trial may
have had their innocence or guilt affected.

yaxley lennon seems to understand this, was found to be in contempt for
filming at a previous trial yet went ahead and filmed at this one.

he can claim to be challenging the reporting restrictions, but seems to
be saying he couldnt find out about the restrictions, which , as a journalist,
he must have been aware of.

hes here because judge was hasty in jailing him for second offence.

i suspect he gets found guilty here and judge lets him walk, saying he has
done enough time, and y-s promises not to do it again.
By:
DenzilPenberthy
When: 05 Jul 19 12:10
Did these restrictions just apply to that particular group of defendants or is this the same for all rape cases?
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 05 Jul 19 12:14
each case will have its own.
By:
UBLE/REGY
When: 05 Jul 19 13:19
I see on the red Button today A Welshman has been jailed for grooming 146 boys online...

Yes I do not like paedophiles or rapists either but these people are not all Muslims

and neither are all Muslims paedophiles or rapists.....

So if people want to blame Muslims blame the guilty ones please, seems fairer to me
By:
DenzilPenberthy
When: 05 Jul 19 13:55
That's what people are doing REGY these grooming gangs are predominantly British Pakistani Muslim males nobody has said all muslims are paedophiles or rapists,their were figures in 2017/18 showing a high % of convicted rapists were from this background haven't seen the recent numbers.
The issues that cloud this are our authorities not doing anything about the problem a Newcastle councillor even came on the news a few months ago saying he didn't think they COULD do anything about it (I posted the info when it happened after the grooming gang convictions in Newcastle).
The other issues are the blanket refusal to investigate by the media,the laws of Islam which are disgustingly abusive towards females and the protection Muslims receive and play upon because of their religion,there certainly isn't anyone saying all muslims are rapists or paedophiles.
By:
DenzilPenberthy
When: 05 Jul 19 13:56
In fact many grooming gangs run successful barber shops in my area.
By:
DenzilPenberthy
When: 05 Jul 19 13:56
Male only
By:
UBLE/REGY
When: 05 Jul 19 14:18
the problem a Newcastle councillor even came on the news a few months ago saying he didn't think they COULD do anything about it
Sad

Yes I accept your figures denzil, I think Muslim girls are a lot more vulnerable
I do not think they are anything as savvy as white girls.

This is reflected in the figures, we need more contact with Muslim girls and women, I don't know exactly how this can be done

Muslim girls must be taught at schools the danger of this....and that it is not legal....and there is somebody they can report it to.
By:
Reynard
When: 05 Jul 19 14:23
UBLE/REGY • July 5, 2019 1:19 PM BST
I see on the red Button today A Welshman has been jailed for grooming 146 boys online...

This is an example of 'Type1' offence . Grooming gangs are 'Type2' . The concerns raised on this thread are relating to 'Type2' offences .
By:
Baphornet
When: 05 Jul 19 14:23
the local Iman?
By:
Baphornet
When: 05 Jul 19 14:24
reply to UR
By:
Reynard
When: 05 Jul 19 14:25
Possibly , Bap . The grooming gang convicted in Oxford were described cy the mainstream media as "Oxford men" as part of the media deception Shocked
By:
Emitdeb
When: 05 Jul 19 15:39

Jul 5, 2019 -- 1:19PM, UBLE/REGY wrote:


I see on the red Button today A Welshman has been jailed for grooming 146 boys online...Yes I do not like paedophiles or rapists either but these people are not all Muslimsand neither are all Muslims paedophiles or rapists.....So if people want to blame Muslims blame the guilty ones please, seems fairer to me


Does anybody on this fecking planet think that???  I despair..

By:
Baphornet
When: 05 Jul 19 16:20
found guilty
By:
Emitdeb
When: 05 Jul 19 16:22
Tommy Robinson Found Guilty of contempt of court....

Stephen yaxley-lennon Found Guilty of contempt of court.... (for the morons on here)
By:
Ibrahima Sonko
When: 05 Jul 19 16:34
Incredible.
By:
Ibrahima Sonko
When: 05 Jul 19 16:44
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOU8gimpoB4
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