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Tommy back in Court tomorrow 4th July
Tommy back in Court tomorrow 4th July
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Sadly this country is full of people like mouse muldoon who find this type of crime a source of amusement rather than the serious problem that these offences pose to innocent children in our towns and cities . Sick doesn't even begin to describe them
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As you know, Tommy was accused of improperly talking about a rape gang trial that was subject to a publication ban. But under cross-examination by Tommy’s lawyer, Michelle Dunderdale (court operations manager)admitted that on the day in question:
1. Court staff failed to publish any information about the public ban on the court’s in-house information system. 2. Court staff failed to put a notice of a publication ban on the courtroom door; and 3. Court staff failed to put the publication ban on the TV information screen in the court. Dunderdale herself used that word “failure”. Mouse - I think it's fair to say Michelle will be singing for her supper. May she be more in tune than the crowd today.. |
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Injera - It seems pretty clear to me that Tommy Robinson is being 'set-up' by people in high places by being given either no information (as Dunderdale's testimony suggests) or misleading information (uniformed officers implying that he was not committing an offence when asked) and yet those tasked with completing the fitting up of Mr Robinson , lawyers , judges etc. lack the competency to complete the job at the final hurdle . Thus the whole circus continues (May 2018 Leeds Crown Court , July 2018 Royal Courts of Justice , Sept 2018 Old Bailey) and now in July 2019 the farcical situation continues .
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Not by a long chalk it aint.
That's abuse on their own, they see white girls as fair game. |
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STUDYFORM Do you agree/disagree that any of the below are a factor in Muslim grooming gang rape:
• A woman or girl who has been raped cannot testify in court against her rapist(s). • Testimonies of 4 male witnesses are required to prove rape of a female (Quran 24:13). • A woman or girl who alleges rape without producing 4 male witnesses is guilty of adultery. • A woman or girl found guilty of adultery is punishable by death (see "Islamophobia"). • A male convicted of rape can have his conviction dismissed by marrying his victim. • Muslim men have sexual rights to any woman/girl not wearing the Hijab (see Taharrush). • A woman can have 1 husband, who can have up to 4 wives; Muhammad can have more. • A man can marry an infant girl and consummate the marriage when she is 9 years old. • Girls' clitoris should be cut (Muhammad's words, Book 41, Kitab Al-Adab, Hadith 5251). • A man can beat his wife for insubordination (see Quran 4:34 and Religion of Peace). • A man can unilaterally divorce his wife; a wife needs her husband's consent to divorce. • A divorced wife loses custody of all children over 6 years of age or when they exceed it. • A woman's testimony in court, allowed in property cases, carries ½ the weight of a man's. • A female heir inherits half of what a male heir inherits (see Mathematics in Quran). • A woman cannot speak alone to a man who is not her husband or relative. There are no arguments but plenty questions with some unable to criticise those involved because of their religion/race,bear in mind these grooming gangs are real,1000s of victims are involved over many years why shouldn't people be aware when so many are vulnerable. |
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*made aware
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I think most the public want justice and not ill gotten restraints.
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STUDYFORM • July 4, 2019 9:43 PM BST
Best post on the thread. Really ? A post that suggests barbaric retribution as an apt punishment in a supposed civilised society ? Not just Islamists that wanna turn the clock back 700 years , clearly  |
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*****Your list is a rant, not a specific list of questions YOU have NOT devised.
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STUDYFORM If you are referring to my list of key muslim rules it is actually from a muslim website there are far more disgusting ones that aren't relevant in this coversation.
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Actually, NONE of you can say what you actually want to do with your perceived issues.
You don't even know yourselves. |
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In fairness it's not a reason for hating muslims . I don't hate muslims , personally .
What I do hate , however , is anyone who believes that there is any justification , faith-based or otherwise , for such abhorrent views of women . |
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As a matter of interest, the most strict adherence to Islam seems to come from Saudi Arabia, and they're mostly quite keen on killing millions of other muslims
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WHAT ARE YOU AFTER?
Less appeasement on here would be a start. |
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No-one supports the views, Reynard. No-one has ever been on this forum or any other, supporting the abhorrence of these views or the terrible treatment of women.
BUT It is not a whole religion. Just some criminals and radicals. Akabula, there are no appeasers either. Just people who don't want ridiculous reactionary nonsense to millions of people because of a few of them. |
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NO-ONE has EVER defended the rape of young girls, or any other crime, afaik.
Apart, that is, from the Labour Government under the then Prime Minister Gordon Brown and Home Secretary Jackie Smith… ‘Back in 2008 the Home office sent a circular to all Police forces in the country saying as far as these young girls who are being exploited in towns and cities, we believe that they have made an informed choice about their sexual behavior and therefore it’s not for you Police officers to get involved .’ Former Chief Crown Prosecutor Nazir Afzal - Radio 4 interview (19th Oct 2018) |
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Study - I want it to be acceptable to have a rational concern of Islam. I want to see action taken on:
The collusion of the State in the rape of 1000s of white girls by men of largely Pakistani/Islamic background. The collusion is well documented by Professor Jay and others. This would have continued in Rotherham, Telford etc if it wasn't for Andrew Norfolk, Ann Cryer MP, Tommy Robinson and many others, mostly whom are known as the alt media. Many are called racist and in Tommy's case, it's all about shooting the messenger rather than admit the failings. I want to see a day when Lord Pearson is NOT heckled in the House of Lords for being concerned about the spread of Islam. I want to see the 30+ Yorkshire Plod who are currently under investigation to face trial NOT an IOPC investigation. They should also be named NOW. I want to see nationwide debates into the compatability or otherwise of Islamic teachings in a Christian/secular/liberal country. |
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1000s of girls have been and still are grromed and raped and STUDYFORM says:
It is not a whole religion. Just some criminals and radicals. Akabula, there are no appeasers either. Just people who don't want ridiculous reactionary nonsense to millions of people because of a few of them. Dear me these lot have been protected to the hilt,helpless people's lives have been wrecked and there's no end in sight unbelievable. |
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Studyform.
An observation of 1400 years of unreformed Islam. The illiberal and intolerant way Islam is implemented right now in majority countries the world over. The leading authorities on demographic shift (Pew/Migration Observatory) all conclude a Muslim majority is likely in the UK before this century is through. Every major poll conducted into the attitudes of British Muslims in the previous decade or so demonstrate clearly how inimical it is to western values. The version of Islam being propagated in the majority of UK mosques is ultra conservative and anti-western (Deobandi et al). All of this can simply be dismissed as ‘Propaganda and indoctrination’? To draw some kind of equivalence with 1930s Nazi Germany seems a little wide of the mark? |
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STUDYFORM • July 4, 2019 10:06 PM BST
Actually, NONE of you can say what you actually want to do with your perceived issues. I can . I want justice for the victims and this can be achieved by :- a) Acknowledgement of the existence of a common denominator that is held by 90% (approx) of perpetrators . b) Appropriate sentences , not only for those convicted of these evil crimes but also those in authority who facilitated their activities . c) The communities of those believed to be involved to give up these individuals for investigation and potential prosecution rather than allowing them to continue unchecked . |
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Reynard.
A, is in your head B, Should and might well happen C, Is a rehash of A |
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Injera appears to have beaten me to the punch
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Studyform is an idiot.
He tries to deflect 1000's of rapes into an argument, he doesnt care about the 1000's more affected by those crimes. |
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The attacks SF are on the groomers and the religion.
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I wonder if SF is in agreement with Naz Shah who thinks we should not talk about it for the sake of diversity.
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STUDYFORM • July 4, 2019 10:19 PM BST
What do you lot want? Ban the muslim religion maybe? Make war against muslims? What? Definition of 'war' required . It may actually be an act of self defence should it ever come to this |
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nobody is a against a religion, we are all here to find out why?
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lol
Of course they didn't write it you f a n n y but on their watch they clearly have to accept some culpability no? |
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Not at all Reynard!
 Study - you can read so please do so. We've given our to do list and you've ignored it! |
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I am IS.
It is a religion that sees women as less worthy than men. |
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How can anyone attack a religion , any religion ? A religion is simply an expression of a belief in a non-existent deity . A form of mass delusion
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please can I have your thoughts on my 22.15 post Study
Or has the cog dis blown your t i t s off? |
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Anybody who spends their entire life believing that the 'next life' is going to be better than this life and that they will be suitably rewarded by following ancient myths and legends , none of which can be proven to be true , is making a serious misjudgement . Thus ensuring they waste the vast majority of the only life that they actually have evidence of in order to set themselves up for an afterlife that they will never experience because it simply doesn't exist !
Anybody who falls into the above category seriously needs their head examining because they have all the ingredients required to be a real danger to normal people  |
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Reynard
At least Christianity is concerned with transcending the physical. Islam, conversely, seems primarily concerned with the pumping of 72 under-age f a n n i e s. That is the ultimate! About as holy as Jimmy Savilles n o b. |
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Yeah , that's a bit weird tbh . I'm sure STUDYFORM would be able to extol the virtues of such beliefs , if he hadn't scuttled off . He don't see a lot wrong with scripture
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I think you are right Studyform..even if no one else does.
Just blaming Islam and Muslims is pointless One big problem is Muslim females seem to kept out of site We need to make contact, we need them to report thinks like grooming and paedophilia So we need some contacts in the Muslim community, rather than it being them and us. I have outlined the problem, but not the solution I know. Schools could help here? |
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UBLE/REGY • July 4, 2019 11:13 PM BST
I think you are right Studyform..even if no one else does. Just blaming Islam and Muslims is pointless One big problem is Muslim females seem to kept out of site We need to make contact, we need them to report thinks like grooming and paedophilia So we need some contacts in the Muslim community, rather than it being them and us. I have outlined the problem, but not the solution I know. Schools could help here? ........... Precisely the problem . They don't report it . As for 'them and us' their lack of willingness to integrate with the kuffar combined with their scripture ensures that it will always be them and us , despite our best efforts . The only time they make any effort to engage those beyond their community is when they seek power within public office . |
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You should absolutely blame Islam, in it's unreformed state it has no place in a civilized world.
You should not, however, blame Muslims. Blaming someone over an accident of birth is about as dumb as it gets. Tommmy Robinson has said time and time again that 'Muslims are the primary victims of Islam' ... Consequently, a refusal to criticize Islam, is ultimately, to collude in the continued subjugation of Muslims the world over. This is why the term Islamophobia needs to be called out, a cowardly term that seeks to conflate an ideology with a people. Clearly they are two very distinct entities. |