Brexit: Relations 'fraying' between Ireland and Britain

don't tell me. It's their fault. Not ours.

Tell the silly **** the UVF haven’t gone away

No lfc,the whole of Kreland was taken by the use of force,some of it(Ireland) was returned, simple even for you.

How Donald Trump's changes to corporate tax are affecting the Republic:

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https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trumps-tax-reforms-hit-us-investment-ireland-162832331.html


US investment in Ireland declined by €45bn ($51bn) in 2017, in another sign that sweeping tax reforms introduced by US president Donald Trump have impacted the decisions of American multinational companies.

The withdrawal of US investment, combined with a €16bn drop in UK-based investment, meant that Ireland saw a steep €54bn decline in foreign direct investment (FDI) last year, data released on Thursday shows.

Thank goodness Ireland actually had some austerity. The government has some flexibility in its finances if needed. The PM of Ireland is just trying to look after his own, but as long as he keeps out of the way of the wealth creators the place will carry on doing fine.

Project Fear, v 137. 

the EU says it is Ireland’s mate and trusts it to make big decisions.

It really doesn’t.

It wants Ireland to do one thing and one thing only: wound Brexit.

Ireland is being played like a fiddle. It is being used by an EU that is still reeling from our brilliant Brexit sucker-punch and which is so desperate to preserve its flagging authority that it is willing to pit Ireland against Britain; the Irish government against the British people; Irish concerns against British democracy.

This is cynical, divisive and dangerous.

An oligarchical institution that has demonstrated nothing but contempt for Irish and British voters and which is so speedily losing the plot that it’s happy to stir up tensions between nations in order to do over a democratic vote.

The EU have grasped the border issue like a comfort blanket as they see the start of their unravelling.
The Common Market was a great concept and that is what we joined not this would be United States of Eurotrash.
The sooner we are out the better and a No Deal would be a great deal.

PorcupineorPineapple
04 Nov 18 11:42
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How are the issues of the EU's making?

At the very start both sides on the process: we'd agree on rights of people, the NI border and something else. Once that's done we'll discuss future arrangements.

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That was done by remainer May. it was the first 'mistake' of the Brexit process.

IT - again though, I'm just pointing out that the Irish border is a mess of our own making. I'll happily raise the EU Bullying thread for those here convinced the EU are purposefully harming us if they've got any evidence.

Another open Border Disaster  ,which Led to terrorists travelling From Dublin to London ...

How close is it to the magic 48 ?

Coriander is the devils herb Moisok,shunned even by rabbits, 4 million and growing(sic) fwiw, some number.

You give something away for nothing yet some are surprised that it attracts people in large numbers.
Of those who use the foodbanks I wonder how many are smokers, drinkers, go to the bingo and have mobile phones?

you could always leave the country casemoney, make some room for some proper hard working people instead imo.

thank goodness for at least one son of the soil^^

I couldn't Do that Shaven  , where Else in the World would I be able to see so many Seething Sad People , I was not 100 % for Brexit but on seeing the pathetic Exposure of TEAM LUVVIE,  I fooking am Now

ireland still owes the UK millions from the loans they were given back in 2008

Over 400 million paid in interest so far,should be paid up by 2021.

A slight lowering of corporate tax and they should get it back in no time.

So let’s look at this Irish border matter.

We’re given to believe that there absolutely mustn’t be a ‘hard border’ between Northern Ireland and the Republic. Thus we have May and her minions disappearing up their own ar$es$ trying to define what exactly constitutes this ‘hard border’ and anguishing about whether cameras count. An absence of ‘infrastructure’ along a boundary that, in legal terms, is already about as hard as it can get — between two entirely different countries — is ‘enshrined’ (that would be the EU and its Irish lapdog’s worshipful adjective of choice: 'enshrined') in the Good Friday Agreement.

But the GFA is not holy writ.

It is a highly flawed accord, negotiated in a state of late-night frenzy. It is not a set of eternal laws to live by dictated to Abraham from the Lord Thy God on Mount Sinai.

Now 20 years old, the agreement could be regarded as having already served its purpose: getting the island’s excitable elements to stop killing each other. I’m not suggesting we chuck the thing. But that document was put together in different political circumstances: both nations entering into the agreement were members of the EU. Now one of them is leaving. If the document cannot accommodate this modification, something is wrong with the document, not with the historical change. For people and paper alike, the key to survival is adaptation.

The GFA itself was full of dubious compromises and exceptions — the wholesale release of prisoners, including murderers who’d served mere months; the unprecedented granting to one nation of political say in the sovereign affairs of another — all in the service of expedience. If the GFA is possible, so are a few cameras between Newry and Dundalk.

Next: the policing of any national border involves entities on either side. On the British side of this one, May has been clear from the outset that the UK has no interest in heavy-handed customs or immigration enforcement. That is what is called ‘the UK’s business’. There being once again such a thing as ‘the UK’s business’ is what Brexit is all about. Whatever happens on the Republic’s side of the border is the EU’s business. Yet, as has been pinted out by IT above, cravenly accepting the EU's bossing of the Brexit agenda from the get-go, addles the brain.

Staggeringly, the EU has persuaded the PM that the EU’s prosecution of a member state’s border is her problem! May’s offer to collect the bloc’s own tariffs, and subject importers to torturous ‘rebates’, constitutes abasement. Insofar as it is a problem, that border is the EU’s problem. Trump can put up his silly wall on the US side of its southern perimeter, but even the Donald wouldn’t presume to dictate procedure on the Mexican side. It’s therefore not up to May to concoct a ‘solution’ to a problem she need not recognise and need not own. 

Moreover, the EU’s professed helplessness in the face of its own bureaucracy is fake.

Eurocrats make all manner of exceptions to their own laws when it suits them. (For years, Brussels has turned a blind eye to Russia’s political manipulation of energy prices to different member states, in flagrant violation of EU law. Germany gets a sweetheart deal, so who cares if the Poles are screwed?) Michel Barnier’s obduracy about the rules regarding external borders is a pose, just like his concern for ‘peace’. That guy doesn’t give a rat’s a$$ about Northern Ireland.

Lastly: what is the unspeakable consequence of a ‘hard border’? Chris Patten likened tinkering with Northern Irish border arrangements to carrying ‘a can of petrol and a box of matches’. Who’d light the petrol? Supposedly, IRA retrogrades, with Sinn Fein cheering them on.

Doesn’t this sound horribly familiar? It’s the same old blackmail!

If one customs official checks a single boot for a jar of Potcheen then it’s back to Tube station bombings in London!

Really? I don’t find that credible. But I do find the fearful reasoning repellent. We’re supposed to stay in the customs union — and the single market, and why not the EU while we’re at it — and thus defy the democratic wishes of the British electorate, just because we’re still afraid of the Ongoing IRA?

I’m sorry, but those losers don’t scare me anymore.

This whole conundrum is contrived.

May needs to tell Barnier that the Irish border is his problem, since we don’t have one. With a nominal volume of trade, and with the Irish already accept the Common Travel Area so they have no problem with their citizens being treated as though they are British, the border is sortable. For policy should be a slave to purpose, not the other way around. When bureaucracy goes wrong — look at the Home Office and the Windrush affair — it is a slave to itself. Agreements, rules, laws — they’re all malleable, mere methods by which we accomplish our aims.

Alas, the UK’s aim is to escape the EU, and - I'm sorry to re-iterate this but it is not a 'paranoid delusion', but a reasonable summation of the EU's entire approach to negotiations with the UK - the EU’s aim is to stop us (or extract as much money out of us for the continuance of 'the project' and to warn others what'll happen to them if they get a bit uppity).