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eboue - that is disgusting
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but then what can you expect - you disagree with someone's viewpoint and then hurl invective - it is the modern progressive way
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the anti brexit propaganda grows and grows - we have to be punished for voting the wrong way
and I am guessing here but think May will sell out |
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Didn't show when I posted.
lfc1971 - serious question. Are you an ex soldier that served in Northern Ireland? |
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I worked there as a contractor
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Went to school there for a while also
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Fathers job meant we lived there for most of secondary school years , so I know what it’s like of course
Dangerous times if you were in the wrong job |
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Gladly:
https://www.rte.ie/news/analysis-and-comment/2017/1117/920981-long-read-brexit/ Thank you. Long-ish read - I'll read it when I get a chance shortly, working from home have to take some calls. Part Deux - the famous technology? |
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common sense and less talk of problems would be best , why this whole issue of the border was ever highlighted I don’t know
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Really if everyone was to step back and take a pragmatic approach and say we will get onto to trade talks and of course we will all try and minimise any problems regarding the Irish border , that’s good and fine .
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I don’t really see how we can do anything more than that ?
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Hanx,
"The paper had been carefully choreographed between the Irish Government and the EU Brexit Task Force, led by the chief negotiator Michel Barnier. So Leo Varakdar was well aware of its contents and importance when he spoke". Seems to me it wasn't a surprise to the Irish at all? Nor does it look that he lied to the Dail - saying a breakthrough was "likely" turned out to be true? Anyway - the only solution they (EU/Ireland) came up with to solve the border is viable (notwithstanding Unionist concerns). We accepted that - and they are open to alternative solutions. We haven't come up with any - apart from the non-existing technology solution which it appears we have also given up on. My question remains ..... what should Ireland have done? or do? |
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Ireland should have done nothing , they are duty bound to accept the outcome of trade talks between the EU and Britain
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so in essence it’s a matter for them and the EU
They will have to decide how they want to trade |
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lfc - that's what backstop does. Allows talks to continue. If trade arrangement negates the need for a border then there is no problem. That is the EU/Ireland preferred outcome. If we are confident such a trade arrangement can be made then we need not worry about the backstop -it will never be activated.
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No , we can talk without a backstop
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Nothing need change in regard to trade agreements until new ones are in place
If we need new one |
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Wallflower,
Apart from staying in the SM and CU what trade arrangement could possibly get rid of the need for some kind of border checks? How can the integrity of the SM be maintained if there is an open border with a country outside the SM? |
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We should leave , and then discuss trade
Well we should have left 2 years ago |
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There should be no backstop , we cannot guarantee not to have a hard border or anything else
sorry |
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May should have made it quite clear from the start , we are not guaranteeing anything in regard to the UKs borders
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05 Nov 18 17:10 Wallflower, Apart from staying in the SM and CU what trade arrangement could possibly get rid of the need for some kind of border checks? How can the integrity of the SM be maintained if there is an open border with a country outside the SM? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- IT, that's a good point - none currently. The idea that NI would have to stay within SM/CU while still being part of the UK. ie special status, is the only option. This is what EU/Ireland is saying - UNLESS a new "special" trade arrangement is made between EU and UK for frictionless trade. This is what UK desperately wants i.e. the promised "sunny uplands" of Brexit. Interestingly this "special status" for NI only would be a bonanza for investment in NI. My colleagues in Ireland have said it would actually cause ROI problems as it would deflect current investment in the Republic to NI, however they reckon as long as the DUP are around they should be "safe enough" as they only look backwards!! |
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Wallflower,
Couple of points: 1. We are leaving the CU and SM. 2. No border in the Irish Sea. So this means ultimately there will have to be a border for there to be a Brexit with the benefits of ending free movement of people and doing own trade deals. There is no way round it. |
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Yes --- but we have an international treaty with Ireland (overseen by EU and US) which makes clear no border on Ireland (an all-Ireland economy).
? No way round it - means we pull out of that treaty, except we have repeatedly committed to it. Its a mess - and as I said the Irish did warn us. This circle can't be squared. |
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Sica Dan
ireland still owes the UK millions from the loans they were given back in 2008 The Government has averted a €200 million penalty by deciding not to repay its UK bailout loans early, as it moves ahead with plans to refinance its remaining International Monetary Fund debt as well as bilateral borrowings from Denmark and Sweden. Taoiseach Leo Varadkar and Minister for Finance Paschal Donohoe said on Thursday they plan to execute an early repayment of the remaining €4.5 billion owed to the IMF and €1 billion given to the State in 2010 by Denmark and Sweden. The move depends on all European Union states agreeing to waive the right of two EU bailout facilities, which gave Ireland €40.2 billion during the crisis, to seek early repayment at the same time. Meanwhile, a spokeswoman for the Department of Finance told The Irish Times that paying the UK’s £3.23 billion (€3.5 billion) credit line early would trigger a €200 million penalty under a break clause attached to the facility. This would more than wipe out the €150 million interest saving the National Treasury Management Agency has estimated will be achieved by repaying the remaining IMF, Danish and Swedish loans ahead of schedule. |
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You are saying pull out of the GFA. The government is saying its not, but its also saying
"1. We are leaving the CU and SM. 2. No border in the Irish Sea." something has to give. |
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Dont matter , borders are dead
Technology and the likes of ryanair have killed borders Muslims are here in ireland Can travel any time they like to uk Secterian abuse wont keep borders in place |
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The GFA has to be amended for the new generation to allow tech checks at the border.
The idea you cannot have at least number plate cameras on a border between the EU and the UK is strange. How else can you police anything? |
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