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By:
UBLE/REGY
When: 17 Oct 18 14:29
Laugh lfc1971

It is the Capitalists who want immigration to drive the wages of the poor down...

Labour should see this, but unfortunately they also rely on the immigration vote, so do nothing

A little immigration benefits us, mass immigration does not.

We need control of this


I have nothing against immigrants themselves as even my own country dislikes me....Cry


Just my own opinion
By:
UBLE/REGY
When: 17 Oct 18 14:54
Another problem with mass immigration is they bring their culture with them....they are reluctant to change to ours.

I only have only to read this forum to see the problem we have with one culture in particular.


This is another reason we need control of our immigration.
By:
Injera
When: 17 Oct 18 16:15
Facts calls Hitler right wing. We could have a discussion about that but probably best not to!

Nazism is the shortened version of National Socialism.

Hitler himself said his party was neither left nor right. He despised them both.
By:
moisok
When: 17 Oct 18 16:21
soon you will not be able to disagree if you want to keep your job


I hope you have all got your bbc badgesCrazy
By:
Just Checking
When: 17 Oct 18 18:14
I'll say this for old Adolf, I don't think he'd have tolerated industrial scale immigrant rape gangs operating in 30s Lower Saxony and called anyone who complained about it "racist".
By:
scandanavian_haven
When: 17 Oct 18 18:16
oh well, every cloud eh
By:
Just Checking
When: 17 Oct 18 18:19
"There good and bad in everyone" as they say.

Let us know when someone finds yours.
By:
treetop
When: 17 Oct 18 18:52
You could say that about muslims too JC ?
By:
donny osmond
When: 17 Oct 18 18:59
i suppose injera will argue north korea is a democracy as it calls itself one

what motive do folk have for arguing hitler wasnt a fascist, ...i wonder ?
By:
Just Checking
When: 17 Oct 18 18:59
Could? Of course you could and should. What a ridiculous "question", exactly the sort of crap I'm on about!

Express any view against mass immigration and suddenly you're a nazi with the Guardian's checklist of strawmen to throw at you.

Who are you, Owen Jones? Laugh
By:
treetop
When: 17 Oct 18 19:04
Hitler came into power on a National Socialist ticket then morphed into fascism,a path that many communist/socialist tryannies seem to follow. Absolute power seems to corrupt absolutely.
By:
donny osmond
When: 17 Oct 18 19:07
either absolute power corrupts or those that seek it are already corrupted

but thats another debate, and both may prove to be true
By:
saddo
When: 17 Oct 18 19:11
Mass immigration of poor people with alien and often violent cultures cannot be good for any country. It should not be difficult for SJWs and even Guardian readers to accept that, but their code will not allow it.
By:
Just Checking
When: 17 Oct 18 19:22
Owen Jones prime example, saddo. He berates people for questioning the importing of people into the country who would kill or at the very least oppress HIM due to his sexuality. And this is not really negotiable if they comply with what they believe to be the rules as laid out by "god". And he doesn't see what's wrong with this.

What a great example of someone who does not live in reality! He's good at flouncing out of studios though :)
By:
scandanavian_haven
When: 17 Oct 18 19:32
praising Hitler, just how far right wing can this forum get
By:
Injera
When: 17 Oct 18 19:33
Fascism: is a form of government which is a type of one-party dictatorship. Fascists are against democracy. They work for a totalitarian one-party state. ... It stands for a centralized government headed by a dictator.

Ahh, there was me thinking the EU was a dictatorship. Silly me, they have 4 (four) unelected dictators.
By:
donny osmond
When: 17 Oct 18 19:34
make your own definitions to correct your error

and make a new argument

hey ho
By:
Injera
When: 17 Oct 18 19:44
Not my definition. Common knowledge that fascism is a one party, dogmatic state that rejects democracy.

And what was my error? That Nazism was National Socialism?
By:
donny osmond
When: 17 Oct 18 19:51
doesnt sound like a definition of fascism to me


north korea calls itself a democtacy so you must think it is
By:
layemall
When: 17 Oct 18 19:58
I wonder what the arch enemies Churchill and Hitler, would make of the world today over a few beers, and with the benefit of foresight.....whether they would conclude to have done anything differently or not?....
By:
Injera
When: 17 Oct 18 20:02
osmond - give me your definition of fascism.

While you're at it, tell me which president of the EU you voted for.

NK is based on Juche beliefs. They also call themselves socialist. They don't hold elections, so yeah, bit like the EU Presidencies.
By:
donny osmond
When: 17 Oct 18 21:04
whats the point of explaining to you?

whats it got to do with eu?

you get more bizarre the more you are shown to be wrong
By:
moisok
When: 17 Oct 18 21:28
osmond

apart from anything else where do you think the idea of a united greater europe sprang from near the end of the war?
By:
donny osmond
When: 17 Oct 18 21:36
debate moves off onto new tangents as another myth is shattered
By:
lfc1971
When: 17 Oct 18 21:47
Fascism is not the same thing as Nazional socialism

If you look at the first facist manifesto in Italy ( not sure about 1920) I suspect that it would appeal to very many people, it’s very progressive and leftist , it listed about 20 main objectives and is impressive
if you take a look donny it would be interesting which if any parts of that manifesto you would disagree with
By:
donny osmond
When: 17 Oct 18 21:54
i dont speak, nor read italian,

having policies you have no intention of implementing does not define an ideology
By:
lfc1971
When: 17 Oct 18 21:57
It proposed a 36 hr working week , workers as part of business councils , votes for women , voting age 18, minimum wage etc
it’s quite surprising how far ahead of it’s time it was
By:
lfc1971
When: 17 Oct 18 21:58
But I agree it’s outcome was a disaster
By:
lfc1971
When: 17 Oct 18 22:00
Reduction of retirement age from 65 to 55 , makes you wonder just how much progress have we made
By:
lfc1971
When: 17 Oct 18 22:03
Revision of all military contracts , and seizure of 85% of profits
By:
donny osmond
When: 17 Oct 18 22:04
lots of parties produce a manefesto to gain votes

i remember the time the lib dems wanted to scrap tuition fees....
By:
lfc1971
When: 17 Oct 18 22:06
Abolition of the senate , it was the upper House of Parliament but in the hands of the wealthy and directly appointed by the king
By:
lfc1971
When: 17 Oct 18 22:08
The quick enactment of a  state law that sanctions a 8 hr workday for all workers
By:
lfc1971
When: 17 Oct 18 22:09
proportional representation on a regional basis
By:
lfc1971
When: 17 Oct 18 22:12
To show the same confidence in labour unions ( that price to be technically and morally worthy ) a s is given to business executives and public servants
By:
lfc1971
When: 17 Oct 18 22:14
A strong progressive tax on capital
and so it goes on ....,
By:
themightymac
When: 17 Oct 18 23:25
Winston Churchill was all for a United States of Europe after WWII and is recognised as one of the founding fathers of the idea for a European Union.
By:
Reynard
When: 17 Oct 18 23:50
Much of Europe had been razed to the ground and unity was seen as essential in rebuilding infrastructure and international relations , I assume Plain
By:
saddo
When: 17 Oct 18 23:53
It's not much of a union when one member calls all the shots.
By:
Reynard
When: 18 Oct 18 00:07
Especially when that member state were the recipients of the wooden-spoon in 1945 Plain
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