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The Ballymurphy Massacre
The Ballymurphy Massacre
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The night before the bombing that preceded this the UVF gunmen took up position on the 2nd floor of abandoned flats overlooking the ballymurphy
estate Not long after the bomb explosion the UVF opened fire into the estate civilians were killed and children wounded |
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The provisional and official wings of the IRA joined force to return fire
Using Thompson sub machine guns , M1 carbines and a Bren light machine gun When British soldiers arrived on the scene they too were fired upon by IRA units This was the Ballymurphy estate , bordered by the springmartin That’s how it was |
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on the Sunday a Protestant teenager 17 was killed at first thought to be by the army but probably by the IRA with a bullett ricochet
And a 13 year old catholic girl killed by the UVF This all happened a few short months after the British army went in to arrest IRA members in ballymurphy The same area the same estate |
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Not sure if you're quoting someone else or you believe it. Either way it's bollocks.
Sadly its not Charlie , in 1970 on the Ballymurphy or Bogside estates how many Hardcore IRA Gunmen were on Site ? I doubt there were 10/20 IRA members who would have shot a British Soldier ?? I can fooking assure you there are a lot more people willing to shoot Someone in London today ?? Give us the Numbers ?? Im saying 1970/71 HOW MANY RA GUNMEN or for that fact LOYALIST GUNMEN were in action ? |
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well you can see what happened just a few months later in May imo that was already the case the previous August
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LFC ,I am Highlighting a Particular incident or Two that probably cost Thousands of Lives ,The Appalling Acts down to the IRA
and the UDA for that matter may never have taken place if things had not been escalated by sending an Elite troop of wound up lunatics in to deal with Basic civil Disturbance , Fook me people nearly Burned Croydon down and other Parts of London , not a cooper in sight never mind a Soldier, What is the Difference can someone explain the Over reaction to me , WHY ? |
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Look at the LA riots ,Fookin Ell
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case for myself the IRA gave to give a credible explanation of what they were doing over those 3 days
The army reported coming under heavy fire , loyalists have claimed that they opened fire from the overlooking springmartin estate But the IRA have never said what they were doing , nothing ? Sorry I just don’t believe that , They will have to give some more credible explanation than that |
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Now if you’re talking about America there was the case in the late sixties when the army shot and killed student protesters at Kent state university
You see when you are talking about the army this is what can happen |
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CHARLIE/LFS who were the Supposed gunmen at Ballymurphy Shooting in 1971 ? LFC has told us one Briitish soldier had been killed
Prior to this , So who were the Gunmen shooting prior to the day of the Paras shooting them ? How much shootings was actually going on at this Time,was anyone shot ? I am referring to 1970/71 ? |
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I’m not sure I think the very early 70s were the worst time for deaths
70 -72 |
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You see they couldn’t very well shoot members of the army before that now could they
They weren’t there |
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The missing piece of the jigsaw is what were the IRA doing in ballymurphy over those 3 days
Until we have a credible explanation from them about that we are not going to get to the truth |
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In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king.
LFC, you are beyond rational thought. You just trot out any spurious rhetoric and show yourself to be a complete ignoaramus time after time. The IRA aren't going to use a sniper to down the community priest, an unarmed woman and a man helping to deliver bread and milk to the families of hungry children. So for one second who do you think did this.........answers on a postcard please. Simply repeating the same nonsense over and over again doesn't make you right because you speak the loudest. I am not going to bother discussing this any further after this post because absolutely nothing ever steers you away (or even consider) anything which isn't inline with your personal agenda and narrow minded views. I will end by saying once more you probably know more about splitting an atom than you do the Northern Irish conflict. Whether you believe it or not; innocent people were killed by the Paras using strong arm tactics under orders from a commander and government determined to show the catholic community 'who was boss.' There were subsequent cover ups which is why the powers that be are absolutely squirming now the truth is starting to come out. Corruption and bullying tactics were absolutely rife in the 70's & 80's and horrendous acts and decisions were made by our very government down. |
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Charwell
You seem incapable of thinking beyond your blind prejudice “the IRA aren’t going to use a sniper to down the community priest , an unarmed woman , and a man ....” What do you think happened in that same area just a few months later when 7 civilians were killed including a 17 year old Protestant and a 13 year old catholic girl And stop talking rubbish about the IRA and who they would or wouldn’t kill , the murders women and children and shot s catholic mother of 6 children because she went to help a wounded British soldier lying on the streets of one of these estates They never revealed were her body was buried until many years later So read the account of what happened in Ballymurphy just a few months later and take your bigoted mindset out of the equation |
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Now in case you are too stupid to understand , point out to me where I said it was the IRA who shot the priest or the mother on this occasion
If you cannot do that I suggest you pipe down and stop telling fibs |
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The IRA was made up of approx 30 members ie a man and his dog before Ballymurphy and Derry,you still cannot grasp Lfc it then evolved into thousands after them murders,you maintaining British soldiers didn't kill anyone in cold blood is astonishing.
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I am not talking about years later , I am talking about then at that time on that estate , now I have described what happened just a few months later
I have told you that loyalists have said that they opened fire in ballymurphy both times In May and August Now am I saying that the Army could never shoot civilians , I’m not saying that it could happen in the chaos of the moment, However to think that it could happen over 3 days and that the British army would deliberatedly shoot a priest or a mother or any civilian inder those circumstances does not make any sense to me I don’t believe that is what happened , and until the IRA give a credible account of what they were doing over those 3 days that will remain the case |
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I'm not talking about years later at all,i'm talking in the direct aftermath,they were queueing up, maybe membership was viewed as a defence? Besides the murders they were also subject to internship,what was right about that?
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I am never going to believe that a British soldier would shoot a mother , I don’t care how young or how ruthless the paras may have been
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Evidence is there,they shot Priests and people in the back,sorry to burst your bubble.
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You see there we have the mindset of pa lapsy based on prejudice and bigotry that no amount of evidence or common sense will ever dispel
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Cheers!
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You’re welcome , yes I thought that might come as a bit of a shock to you .
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I doubt it’s likely to sink in
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Just as a another point I believe the director of this documentary when questioned about the one sided nature of it and how it didn’t take into account conflicting evidence he says it didn’t matter the point was to dispel the myth about what the British army did
You see that’s propaganda , not journalism or the truth |
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Inquest Opened today , Mother of 8 was shot 14 times
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LFC 15 sept 10.19
"I am never going to belive a British soldier would shoot a mother". |
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Well some one Shot her , 14 TIMES , unbelievable . Nearly 50 years to Hold an Inquest WTF .
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The Parachute Regiment are trained to go in hard...very hard.
If they come under fire they are permitted to return fire' I will leave it to an inquiry... |
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Yes its 50 years too late Perps probably dead ,Strange how the World has change a Few words out of Place and People are are accused of Hate crimes Etc ,Doesn't take 50 years to Bring them to Court ...
These soldiers and Their Actions were Disgraceful .. Why would a Mother of 8 be Shot 14 times ? It beggars belief .. |
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I will once again Add I am taking no Side here .. But there is summat well wrong Somewhere .
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Apart from the army there were shots fired by both republican and loyalist terrorist groups.
I think it's best to let the inquiry do its job and keep the condemnation til we know all the facts although this might be difficult given the time lapse. |
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You are a caring man casemoney
The paras had a difficult job, they are faced by an very large angry mob, pretty night out of control They have to break up this mob..in attempting this they come under fire... It needs an inquiry, aggression can get out of hand.... I will await the result |
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'You are a caring man casemoney The paras had a difficult job', I will await the result, are you for f$£"&g real?. Here's an idea!, we have sent troops to NI to 'protect the Catholics, (who welcomed the British troops) why don't we send a Scottish Protestant Para regiment to oversee this. The result of a perfectly 'predictable Bloody Day' saw the rise of the IRA, (According to a senior IRA leader, the IRA saw ranks swell from just over 118 to over 1100 in just one week and growing week on week, we all know about the wasted lives since. For those ignorant on this subject, the Catholics were peacefully marching in 1972 in one of the most supposedly democratic country's in the world, for one man one vote, where as for example a Protestant factory owner had 30+ votes ensuring that even in the wards were they were outnumbered, they kept control, some democracy!!. A word of advice for some of the eejicts on here, get a brain, get an education, then come back and comment on this subject |
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For the fecking eejits on here Google the 27 miles of 'peace walls' (Think Berlin wall) slicing' through communities to stop themselves harming or killing each. welcome to the not publicised democratic Great Britain.
Didn't we invade some Arab countries recently on the basis that they had nasty weapons and needed our brand of democracy, how did that work out. |
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boxingthefox in n Ireland company owners has one extra vote , this applied equally for Catholics and Protestants and indeed was the case in the rest of the U.K. until the 1950s , and continued for a time after that in parts of London
In 1969 n Ireland’s voting system was brought into line with the U.K. and this extra vote if you were a business owner was dropped so has no relevance to whatever happened in ballymurphy In 1973 the first ever referendum in any part of the U.K. was held on whether to remain part of the UK or form a United ireland 600,000 voted to remain as part of the U.K. 6,000 voted for a united Ireland voter turnout 58.7 % many nationalists boycotted the democratic vote , the vote they claimed they didn’t have , more lies , they refused to respect the democratic result and instead set on a path of murder and bombing and terror Remember that when you look at ballymurphy , they had the vote and didn’t use it and didn’t respect it |
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My main interest here is How and Why it was seen fit to shoot a Mother of 8 ,or infact any woman 14 times It has been suggested there were were Various Factions involved , So they were all taking pot shots at this Woman ??
The Paras were an out of Control gang of Thugs Hiding behind British Army Uniforms, A disgrace to Our nation at the Time, I consider myself English and a Supporter of our Armed forces , I do not Support the Slaughter of innocent People .. As already stated we await the outcome of the Inquiry ... |
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lfc, 15 sept 18 10.19
"I am never going to believe a british soldier would shoot a mother", You won't believe they shot dead a priest who was administering the last rites on a fatally injured man, You won't believe they allegedly staged a mock execution causing death through heart attack. Despite the concentrated efforts of covering up for nearly 50 years(til even today),it is time for accountability for the poor families. |
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The reason British troops were out in N.Ireland was because of the appalling bombing campaign by the IRA.
There were car bombs going off all the time. The Ballymurphy is a staunch Roman Catholic area of Belfast. All the British troops encountered was hate, rocks and petrol bombs. Marches were not peaceful, not in the 1970's. The British troops were trying to maintain order, the Paras were given the toughest jobs because they are our elite troops. There were always IRA snipers to look out for, they targeted British troops The cause of the problem was discrimination against the Catholics by the Protestants in N.Ireland. This was removed in time. Peace was eventuaully restored in N.Ireland, it was a job well done. A lot of our troops(including the Paras) were killed or wounded in N.Ireland. I dont know what happened on this day in Ballymurphy as I was not there. That is why there is an enquiry. I admit some of the things seem disturbing. |