The Ballymurphy Massacre

Amazing how animated some on here are against the British Army but have nothing bad to say about the ira who murdered thousands of innocent people.

RA murderous Gangsters ,Im not Against the Army but there was a Problem with 1 Para ,The bloke running the show being a Lunatic didnt help ...

Upwards of 170 deaths in 1971 in Northern Ireland ,picking out a handful and expecting them to be treated differently from all the others is wrong ,the way some use the term innocent civilians at the same time call all British Army deaths as legitimate targets and  fail to accept the murder of innocent Protestants as secterian is wrong and won’t help.The way the emphasis is placed on deaths by the British Army and the way the OP has taken one set of events only distorts the picture and prevents a balenced narrative ever being projected ,things were bad in 71 and this was not a beginning ,kids were being killed in firebombed shops ,off duty soldiers out drinking were lured to a  country  location and executed ,the ira were murdering anyone they wanted to ,the civil rights movement was hijacked and truth was a big casualty ,propaganda was used by all and the big picture was distorted .

I am not Distorting anything  ,As far as I am aware there were no Soldiers Killed prior to Ballymurphy , As I said  things got steadily worse after Ballymurphy and the Bogside Thousands of Lifes lost Soldiers and both sides ,I am taking no sides
but there something Wrong with the Paras ,they were certainly not deployed for Peacekeeping ...

A chap I knew at School was slaughtered at Warren point

Couple of Mates done Time in Iraq .

First British soldier killed 6 feb 1971 by the IRA
Bsllymurphy August that year

There were at least 10,000 bomb attacks during the troubles

Fack me,will you look at lfc googling away goodo .


Par for the course never admit anything.

Respect Casemoney for having an open mind.

Yes I just googled it to see if casemoney was right   , he wasn’t

I would respect you pa lapsy if you had an open mind

Now I don’t know who the 1st commander was or if he was suitable

But it’s like this , the army is not part of the social services

Don’t shoot at them

"don't shoot at them"

Is there the slimmest possibility there was no shots fired except by the ritish army who used that as an excuse to try and cover up their actions of murdering unarmed civilians?

Think and if unsure go back to google.

^British army

remember in Derry they were planting guns on dead bodies in order to back up their lies

Why would the British army shoot unarmed civilians
And over a period of 3 days
Now what possible reason would there be for doing that
No they went there to arrest members of the IRA , who with the help of the civilians were intent on murdering members of the army
As they had already done before and would do again

Innocent people were there I am sure   , but the vast majority of people in that estate were not innocent
They were part of the trouble and aided in the murders of innocent people,  men, women and children
That is the simple truth of the matter

They helped , many willingly
I am sure some out of fear , and some managed to keep themselves to themselves
Those lucky ones have a clear conscience

They were part of the "trouble" as you say because they spoke up (civil right marches) against Northern Ireland being a protestant state for potestants only.

I am not going to go over that nonsense again , we’ve covered that

Look I’ve already explained the facts of how life was for that generation. young people Catholics and.protestants and the freedoms and rights and opportunities  that they had , much greater than their parents or previous generations
To take a small example away fro the everyday to illustrate what was possible then for anyone , before the troubles

Van Morrison , it seem a strange example , but it illustrates how things were
He came from the same working class terrace houses in Belfast , at the same time ,
And everything was possible , everything

Of course it helped that he was a genius : )

But don’t forget  , that was part of Britain
Britain produced them

lfc1971, your naivety/stupidity never ceases to amaze me. It appears that once more you are the self appointed oracle on a subject that you know absolutely feck all about. Whats more; you are so close minded that your ignorance would shame a 6 year old. Did your mum never tell you two ears and one mouth........?

I did a history and politics degree and one of the subjects which I studied in great length was the politics of Northern Ireland. It was vastly more complicated than your crayon sketch of 'those bad men in the IRA/the people were lucky to be given every opportunity that being part of the British empire bestowed upon them......'

Have you given any thought as to why the IRA progressed from a peaceful organisation campaigning for equality and opportunity (which Catholics clearly didn't have)? Of course, that is not to excuse their later atrocities. However, you must understand that they were a frustrated and poverty stricken community who struggled to find gainful employment, and, were very much 2nd class citizens downtrodden by a police force and politicians who hated and viewed them as antagonists as much as the protestant community itself did!

The horrors at Ballymurphy and Derry were almost carbon copies of one another. Yet you don't think the slaying of innocent women and a priest at a time that the Paras were supposedly 'engaged in a (non existent) gun battle' is evidence of British command wrong doings?

The parallels are eerily similar to the Hillsborough tragedy;a as we now know, was when football fans were viewed with suspicion, treated like animals and then at the hands of the authorities a huge cover up ensued after they themselves caused it! No doubt you said there was nothing to see there either and it was all the fans fault (in line with the police and governments official bullsh1t at the time).

There have been numerous examples of wrong doings instigated from the very top and then covered up. I am glad that an ostrich like yourself can testify to what happened when his head is buried under the ground (or up his own ar$e if you would prefer).

Good Post Char  , Regarding the Estate , there were similar Estates in England at the time High umemployment ETC

I would imagine that If people were Burning their Houses down a few Barricades May have been erected ,Would the Britsh

Army have been deployed to shoot those residents ? BARRICADES ,An Armoured Bulldozer and a back up Vehicle could

have been deployed to clear them Occasionally ,then turned around and Left ,No Go Areas Walofs , Like many Dodgy

Estates  WTF would want to go there anyway ? There are more Gunmen and knifemen loose on London estates today then there

ever were at Ballymurphy or Bogside , NO BARRICADES , I don't see to much armed action Going On against them..

I am in no way taking anyside regarding the Troubles ,I have not lived through them and prefer not to comment , But When I see a Wrong I see a wrong ..

The IRA has never been a peaceful organisation interested in equality , their aim is a United ireland and they have always used murder and bombing and terror and torture  as a means to achieve that
So get your head out of your arse as regards that

Poverty in the estate? It was no different to many estates right throughout the country then and now it has nothing to do with discrimination or pretendy civil rights
And just as now there is no poverty , there people were able to raise large families then and now , and just as now you might point to certain estates or certain parts of the country were there are social problems , I can assure you they are no different now than they were then
It is a very difficult thing to create a successful democratic society
It’s not easy it’s m
Try and understand that , look around


No one is in poverty now and no one was then be thankful

Hillsborough ? cover up , wevknow what happened at hills borough we always did know
It was an accident , mistakes were made because that’s what can happen , so when you say that the British Army deliberatedly  shot unarmed civilians in this estate which had IRA members without any gunfire from the estate over a 3 day period then I say you are a fool
You must have been a very lazy student

You  mention parallels with Derry , the IRA were there in Derry as well , McGuinness has admitted that the IRA were there and admitted that it was he who sparked Bloody Sunday with a single shot so stop talking nonsense about the IRA

Blimey, I didn't know that!

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2000/apr/07/bloodysunday.northernireland

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/bloody-sunday-probe-should-include-martin-mcguinness-28768382.html
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Bloody Sunday: DUP call for Martin McGuinness to be questioned https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-37328985
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1287519/BLOODY-SUNDAY-INQUIRY-What-did-Martin-McGuinness-lost-25min.html
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McGuinness shot using a Thompson sub machine gun from Roseville flats
At the time he was a senior member of the IRA
You forgot to mention that in your account didn’t you charwell

So where does that leave U2 with their hit song?

You see in the 60s people protested in Britain that’s what they did
No one had the first clue what they were protesting about , maybe charwell was one of them

"No one had the first clue what they were protesting about" Sounds like the Left of today!

Especially the gullible students and other youngsters.

They were naive and stupid and led by the nose by other more sinister individuals

Yet more parallels with today's Left ...

If you look at any society you can find faults , that’s the case today throughout Britain
However there is nothing that cannot be addressed and hopefully improved
Social problems are ongoing throughout the UK but it’s not about discrimination and civil rights
We have been lucky in the UK to live in this free democracy as long as any of us have been alive
With greater freedoms and rights and opportunities than any other country in the world , be thankful it’s not an easy thing to achieve , look around

Indeed.  I can see that all changing in the next few years - especially if we are denied Brexit.

People have voted on Brexit and to leave the EU, ultimately that has to be what happens
If and when N Ireland votes to leave the UK  that must and will be respected also
Those are the simple facts of democracy

What is so diffucult  for people like charwell , and nationalists , and republicans and any other person to understand about that ?

now when do we think the Irish Republic might vote for independence from Britain and stop insisting that they should have the automatic rights of British citizens to live and work in Britain
Sorry make your mind up do you want independence or not it’s been 100 years

That’s causing problems with Brexit as well of course , the Irish are like that
(more threats of possible violence because they don’t like the result of the democratic vote in the referendum )

That will be the IRA again , with more claims of civil rights I don’t doubt
same as it ever was

There are more Gunmen and knifemen loose on London estates today then there

ever were at Ballymurphy or Bogside , NO BARRICADES , I don't see too much armed action Going On against them..

Here's your fookin Civil Rights Mob Above

Sep 14, 2018 -- 12:32PM, casemoney wrote:

There are more Gunmen and knifemen loose on London estates today then there ever were at Ballymurphy or Bogside , NO BARRICADES , I don't see too much armed action Going On against them..Here's your fookin Civil Rights Mob Above

Not sure if you're quoting someone else or you believe it. Either way it's bollocks.

Women,Priests,people shot in the back,it was nothing but wanton murder by the british army,deflect,ignore,but it happened and more than once.

Men, women and children murdered by the IRA
They have never told the truth about any of the atrocities committed by the IRA
No one , not McGuinness or Adams or any of those involved has told the truth and many remain to be told and the murderers brought to justice
Until that happens then the Irish will have to keep quiet about the British Army , try and understand that

Now I could tell you the scene that was witnessed at one of these atrocities , a bombing in a pub by the IRA that would make your hair stand on end
So terrifying it was the BBC were told not to broadcast the full details of what was witnessed
And they were right not to do so
The people responsible for that have never been brought to juctice , the IRA command , people like McGuinness and Adams know
Now until the truth is told about that then we will look at ourselves , good
Let’s see how that goes

As someone who did two tours of NI in 74 and 75 I'm hardly impartial.

The paras are one of Britain's elite troops as witnessed by their history. They quite rightly have a fearful reputation. I'm not sure (on Bloody Sunday) whether they showed ill-discipline or great discipline; ill-discipline by firing indiscriminately or great discipline by obeying orders. My guess and it is a guess is that they obeyed orders - whatever those orders were we will probably never know. Orders would have been given at several levels of command.

I do think they (not necessarily the squaddies) were wrong but can understand why it happened.

The IRA, or at least the violent contingent, were always wrong in their tactics/strategy.

Wiki: More than 3,500 people were killed in the conflict, of whom 52% were civilians, 32% were members of the British security forces, and 16% were members of paramilitary groups

@ Charlie, it is unfair of me to label it as the whole British army,i've no doubt the vast majority were/are decent people, however an injustice has been done, people were murdered and it was covered up by barefaced lying.

@ Lfc  the IRA wasn't the only terrorist organisation, the UVF etc have committed atrocities and their figures are quite staggering, condone all terrorism or none at all.

pa lapsy
Not necessarily disagreeing but who did the lying?

IRA and Loyalist terrorist murders should both be condemned that I am afraid is neither here nor there

You see when Irish people elect into government the IRA murderers , those responsible for these very atrocities that killed men women and children
I think they should pipe down , and you should pipe down about condemning anyone

If i had to point the finger it would be originally at the soldiers who said the people they shot were "armed",
they weren't.

pa
I'll reply quickly now as watching footy. But I imagine chain of command went something like: Government - we need to sort this IRA situation out, Field-Marshall - I'll sort it out, General - a job for the paras, etc.

I could believe that though i'd leave IRA out and put in general disorder,enjoy the match.

Yes yes , the British army went there to arrest members of the IRA
And instead over 3 days decided to shoot innocent people
That I am sorry makes no sense whatsoever , of course mistakes were made but they were going a deadly and job
Now as I say , they have no grounds to expect British soldiers in the dock when they
on that estate were members of the IRA , helpers of the IRA , and ultimately were responsible for those terrible events
And then of course these same people would vote into parliament those responsible for the terror and bombing and the innocent lives lost as their repesentatives in government
Well I’m sorry , they will have to be quiet and look at their conscience before anything else

Interestingly to add to the general confusion of what might have happened over those 3 days the loyalist UVF have admitted to being responsible for some of the shootings using a rifle modified to fire the same type of bullets as the British army
The UVF claimed the weapon was purchased from a Belfast gunsmith and recovered by police a decade later
UVF members gave the name of the sniper who opened fire from the nearby loyalist springmartin estate

The following year , 13/14 May 1972 was what was called the battle at springmartin
It involved the British Army , IRA and UVF
During the day and night and following day IRA units fought gun battles with both the UVF and British  army

Seven people were killed : 5 civilians ( 4 catholic 1 Protestant ) a British  soldier  and an IRA youth

The night before the bombing that preceded this the UVF gunmen took up position on the 2nd floor of abandoned flats overlooking the ballymurphy
estate
Not long after the bomb explosion the UVF opened fire into the estate
civilians were killed and children wounded

The provisional and official wings of the IRA joined force to return fire
Using Thompson sub machine guns , M1 carbines and a Bren light machine gun

When British soldiers arrived on the scene they too were fired upon by IRA units

This was the Ballymurphy estate , bordered by the springmartin
That’s how it was

on the Sunday a Protestant teenager 17 was killed  at first thought to be by the army but probably by the IRA with a bullett ricochet
And a 13 year old catholic girl killed by the UVF

This all happened a few short months after the British army went in to arrest IRA members in ballymurphy
The same area the same estate

Not sure if you're quoting someone else or you believe it. Either way it's bollocks.

Sadly its not Charlie , in 1970 on the Ballymurphy or Bogside estates how many Hardcore IRA Gunmen were on Site ?

I doubt there were 10/20 IRA members who would have shot a British Soldier ??

I can fooking assure you there are a lot more people willing to shoot Someone in London today ??

Give us the Numbers ?? Im saying 1970/71 HOW MANY RA GUNMEN or for that fact LOYALIST GUNMEN were in action ?

well you can see what happened just a few months later in May imo that was already the case the previous August

LFC ,I am Highlighting a Particular incident or Two that probably cost Thousands of Lives ,The Appalling Acts down to the IRA
and the UDA for that matter may never have taken place if things had not been escalated by sending an Elite troop of  wound up lunatics in to deal with Basic civil Disturbance , Fook me people  nearly Burned Croydon down and other Parts of London ,
not a cooper in sight never mind a Soldier, What is the Difference can someone explain the Over reaction to me , WHY ?

Look at the LA riots ,Fookin Ell 

case for myself the IRA gave to give a credible explanation of what they were doing over those 3 days
The army reported coming under heavy fire , loyalists have  claimed that they opened fire from the overlooking springmartin  estate
But the IRA have never said what they were doing , nothing ?

Sorry I just don’t believe that ,
They will have to give some more credible explanation than that

Now if you’re talking about America there was the case in the late sixties when the army shot and killed student protesters at Kent state university
You see when you are talking about the army this is what can happen

CHARLIE/LFS  who were the Supposed gunmen at Ballymurphy Shooting in 1971 ?  LFC has told us one Briitish soldier had been killed

Prior to this , So who were the Gunmen shooting prior to the day of the Paras shooting them ? 

How much shootings was actually going on at this Time,was anyone shot  ? I am referring to 1970/71 ?

I’m not sure I think the very early 70s were the worst time for deaths
70 -72

You see they couldn’t very well shoot members of the army before that now could they
They weren’t there

The missing piece of the jigsaw is what were the IRA doing in ballymurphy over those 3 days

Until we have a credible explanation from them about that we are not going to get to the truth

In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king.

LFC, you are beyond rational thought. You just trot out any spurious rhetoric and show yourself to be a complete ignoaramus time after time. The IRA aren't going to use a sniper to down the community priest, an unarmed woman and a man helping to deliver bread and milk to the families of hungry children. So for one second who do you think did this.........answers on a postcard please.

Simply repeating the same nonsense over and over again doesn't make you right because you speak the loudest. I am not going to bother discussing this any further after this post because absolutely nothing ever steers you away (or even consider) anything which isn't inline with your personal agenda and narrow minded views.

I will end by saying once more you probably know more about splitting an atom than you do the Northern Irish conflict. Whether you believe it or not; innocent people were killed by the Paras using strong arm tactics under orders from a commander and government determined to show the catholic community 'who was boss.' There were subsequent cover ups which is why the powers that be are absolutely squirming now the truth is starting to come out. Corruption and bullying tactics were absolutely rife in the 70's & 80's and horrendous acts and decisions were made by our very government down.

Charwell
You seem incapable of thinking beyond your blind prejudice

“the IRA aren’t going to use a sniper to down the community priest , an unarmed woman , and a man ....”

What do you think happened in that same area just a few months later when 7 civilians were killed including a 17 year old Protestant and a 13 year old catholic girl

And stop talking rubbish about the IRA and who they would or wouldn’t kill , the murders women and children and shot s catholic mother of 6 children because she went to help a wounded British soldier lying on the streets of one of these estates

They never revealed were her body was buried until many years later

So read the account of what happened in Ballymurphy just a few months later and take your bigoted mindset out of the equation

Now in case you are too stupid to understand , point out to me where I said it was the IRA who shot the priest or the mother on this occasion

If you cannot do that I suggest you pipe down and stop telling fibs

The IRA was made up of approx 30 members ie a man and his dog before Ballymurphy and Derry,you still cannot grasp Lfc it then evolved into thousands after them murders,you maintaining British soldiers didn't kill anyone in cold blood is astonishing.

I am not talking about years later , I am talking about then at that time on that estate , now I have described what happened just a few months later
I have told you that loyalists have said that they opened fire in ballymurphy both times
In May and August

Now am I saying that the Army could never shoot civilians , I’m not saying that it could happen in the chaos of the moment,
However to think that it could happen over 3 days and that the British army would deliberatedly shoot a priest or a mother or any civilian inder those circumstances does not make any sense to me

I don’t believe that is what happened , and until the IRA give a credible account of what they were doing over those 3 days that will remain the case

I'm not talking about years later at all,i'm talking in the direct aftermath,they were queueing up, maybe membership was viewed as a defence? Besides the murders they were also subject to internship,what was right about that?

I am never going to believe that a British soldier would shoot a mother  , I don’t care how young or how ruthless the paras may have been

Evidence is there,they shot Priests and people in the back,sorry to burst your bubble.

You see there we have the mindset of pa lapsy based on prejudice and bigotry that no amount of evidence or common sense will ever dispel

Cheers!

You’re welcome , yes I thought that might come as a bit of a shock to you .

I doubt it’s likely to sink in

Just as a another point  I believe the director of this documentary when questioned about the one sided nature of it and how it didn’t take into account conflicting evidence he says it didn’t matter the point was to dispel the myth about what the British army did
You see that’s propaganda , not journalism or the truth

Inquest Opened today , Mother of 8 was shot 14 times

LFC 15 sept 10.19

"I am never going to belive a British soldier would shoot a mother".

Well some one Shot her , 14 TIMES ,  unbelievable . Nearly 50 years to Hold an Inquest  WTF .

The Parachute Regiment are trained to go in  hard...very hard.

If they come under fire they are permitted to return fire'

I will leave it to an inquiry...

Yes its 50 years too late Perps probably dead ,Strange how the World has change a Few words out of Place and People are are accused of Hate crimes Etc ,Doesn't take 50 years to Bring them to Court ...

These soldiers and Their Actions were Disgraceful  ..

Why would a Mother of 8 be Shot 14 times ? It beggars belief ..

I will once again Add I am taking no Side here .. But there is summat well wrong Somewhere .

Apart from the army there were shots fired by both republican and loyalist terrorist groups.
I think it's best to let the inquiry do its job and keep the condemnation til we know all the facts although this might be difficult given the time lapse.

You are a caring man casemoney

The paras had a difficult job, they are faced by an very large angry mob, pretty night out of control
They have to break up this mob..in attempting this they come under fire...

It needs an inquiry, aggression can get out of hand....

I will await the result

UBLE/REGY •
'You are a caring man casemoney

The paras had a difficult job', I will await the result, are you for f$£"&g real?.

Here's an idea!, we have sent troops to NI to 'protect the Catholics, (who welcomed the British troops) why don't we send a Scottish Protestant Para regiment to oversee this.

The result of a perfectly 'predictable Bloody Day' saw the rise of the IRA, (According to a senior IRA leader, the IRA saw ranks swell from just over 118 to over 1100 in just one week and growing week on week, we all know about the wasted lives since.

For those ignorant on this subject, the Catholics were peacefully marching in 1972 in one of the most supposedly democratic country's in the world, for one man one vote, where as for example a Protestant factory owner had 30+ votes ensuring that even in the wards were they were outnumbered, they kept control, some democracy!!.

A word of advice for some of the eejicts on here, get a brain, get an education, then come back and comment on this subject

For the fecking eejits on here Google the 27 miles of 'peace walls' (Think Berlin wall) slicing' through communities to stop themselves harming or killing each. welcome to the not publicised democratic Great Britain.

Didn't we invade some Arab countries recently on the basis that they had nasty weapons and needed our brand of democracy, how did that work out.

boxingthefox in n Ireland company owners has one extra vote , this applied equally for Catholics and Protestants and indeed was the case in the rest of the U.K. until the 1950s , and  continued for a time after that in parts of London

In 1969 n Ireland’s voting system was brought into line with the U.K. and this extra vote if you were a business owner was dropped so has no relevance to whatever happened in ballymurphy

In 1973  the first ever referendum in any part of the U.K. was held on whether to remain part of the UK or form a United ireland

600,000 voted to remain as part of the U.K.
6,000 voted for a united Ireland

voter turnout 58.7 % many nationalists boycotted the democratic vote , the vote they claimed they didn’t have , more lies , they refused to respect the democratic result and instead set on a path of murder and bombing and terror

Remember that when you look at ballymurphy , they had the vote and didn’t use it and didn’t respect it

My main interest here is How and Why it was seen fit to shoot a Mother of 8 ,or infact any woman 14 times It has been suggested there were were Various Factions involved , So they were all taking pot shots at this Woman ??

The Paras were an out of Control gang of Thugs Hiding behind  British Army Uniforms, A disgrace to Our nation at the Time,

I consider myself English and a Supporter of our Armed forces , I do not Support the

Slaughter of innocent People .. As already stated we await the outcome of the Inquiry ...

lfc, 15 sept 18 10.19

"I am never going to believe a british soldier would shoot a mother",

You won't believe they shot dead a priest who was administering the last rites on a fatally injured man,
You won't believe they allegedly staged a mock execution causing death through heart attack.

Despite the concentrated efforts of covering up for nearly 50 years(til even today),it is time for accountability for the poor families.

The reason British troops were out in N.Ireland was because of the appalling bombing campaign by the IRA.

There were car bombs going off all the time.

The Ballymurphy is a staunch Roman Catholic area of Belfast. All the British troops encountered was hate, rocks and petrol bombs.

Marches were not peaceful, not in the 1970's.

The British troops were trying to maintain order, the Paras were given the toughest jobs because they are our elite troops.


There were always IRA snipers to look out for, they targeted British troops



The cause of the problem was discrimination against the Catholics by the Protestants in N.Ireland.

This was removed in time.


Peace was eventuaully restored in N.Ireland, it was a job well done.


A lot of our troops(including the Paras) were killed or wounded in N.Ireland.


I dont know what happened on this day in Ballymurphy as I was not there. That is why there is an enquiry. I admit some of the things seem disturbing.

You absolute clown, the reason the british troops were there in 1st place was to protect the Catholics from being burnt out of their homes by loyalist terror groups.

FA to do with the IRA at the time.

Ah, I think you will find it was the IRA planting the bombs , and murdering the soldiers , and killing the innocent men women and children

The troops were brought in to quell rioting in Derry and Belfast after the apprentice boys parade that year nothing to do with the IRA who had little support from the nationalist community at the time anyway, what made the situation worse was the deployment of the B specials to help the ruc, these were nothing but thugs in a uniform.

lfc1971
13 Nov 18 11:42
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Ah, I think you will find it was the IRA planting the bombs , and murdering the soldiers , and killing the innocent men women and children

Well said lfc1971, although there were a great number of tit for tit killings between the Protestants and the Catholics.

Because the IRA were involved and carrying out most of the car bombings, then it was inevitable that the British Army had to
concentrate more on the Catholic community in their search for weapons, bomb making materials and IRA members.
So the Catholics thought they were unfairly targeted and rapidly turned against the British Army.

But the job of the British Army was to maintain peace.


Should the Paras have been sent out, I don't know? Like the Marines these men are our elite troops.

Look what these units did for us in the Falklands.

The B specials were disbanded the whole of the RUC had to be suspect because of their Protestant bias.

But this has been reformed.

N.Ireland is trapped in history, in my opinion.
One would have thought the Battle of the Boyne took place recently and the apprentice boys defence of Derry.