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Those Thia kids were saved by bribes pmsl
Those Thia kids were saved by bribes pmsl
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 ..the originality is the funniest bit.. |
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being faced with the real world it all caves in
well done boxing - they love to shove morality on to ya and others 'feel proud of yaself' but its the tactics progressives like to use |
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Hey mo, hope you are well and winning, I'll pm you.
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another one who prays to rentaghost
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Very charitable and christian of you
but then when did truth worry you? |
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Hey guys, play nice! I only cone on here once in a very 'Blue moon' and can't tolerate discord, (not on my medication
  ) Work away guys, that's what's what used to make this place great.  |
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haha
trilby grasses up those who won't accept his line of stuff he can't prove but feels entitled to believe enough to have others banned. nice work trilby The grassland fairies will be proud |
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I wanted to say this earlier as well but I thought dusty might have posted this as a small joke but I now see that he wholeheartedly believes that all people on the planet should be like him, and that if they aren't, they somehow need to be made fun of.
The kids were not saved by the cave spirit. They were saved by the thai seals and the international divers. No one thought the cave spirit had taken them. During the time the kids were in the cave, the waving of the fishing nets by people outside was 'to remove the bad spirits' from inside the cave, so that the kids could remain safe. This might of course sound ridiculous, but it wasn't done because they thought doing it would rescue the kid. The rescue was still to be done by humans. This was the equivalent of praying, which again might sound ridiculous to you, but is still a widespread disease(at worst, which I think is how you want to imagine it). Once the kids were out, the bribes that you mention were layed out for Nang Norn. Again, they weren't laid out because it would save the kids(kids were already out). They were layed out to appease Nang Norn, who the people believe got p1ssed off at something. Probably lack of prayers. Those bribes came after the rescue, but I guess you aren't so bright so as to figure out the sequence of events? I am not a buddhist but from what I read, I don't think they prayed or layed our bribes to rescue the kids. Those were just the prayers. It would have been laughable if they had rejected rescue efforts. But they didn't. The same people rescued the kids. That's how religions work. Again, try reading the books you intend to send them. |
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OK, This is not my place so I will withdraw, have fun guys, God knows the media are trying to stupify us minute by minute, so a good old fashioned barney/spat makes us alive. GN guys, be lucky.
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Again, try reading the books you intend to send them.
What?, the books I suggest that should be sent are the books written as part of the enlightenment, not religious books. Those bribes came after the rescue, but I guess you aren't so bright so as to figure out the sequence of events? Cripes. Actually you will find they were gathered outside most of the time offering up things and lighting candles and praying to the spirits. Off, after the humans from the mainly enlightened regions came to save them those offering things to the mountain were joyous because of that fact....whould they have hated the mountain spirits had the westerners not been successful? During the time the kids were in the cave, the waving of the fishing nets by people outside was 'to remove the bad spirits' from inside the cave, so that the kids could remain safe. What year is it again? There are caves all over the place detraveller, feel free to occupy one if you must, but don't degrade what human ingenuity has done for the thousands of years. Just because those still in villages believe stuff thats fanciful doesn't mean its right. |
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Hey detraveller , I was just off and saw your excellent post, I hope no one is decrying the beliefs on the regional people, they are refreshing and perhaps perplexing to many. A region naturally does not represent a whole country.
I believe the International efforts were sympathetic and inclusive in this triumph. It was a magnificent example of what can be achieved by individuals and individual organisations cutting across party, religious and cultural and Government barriers in times of great peril. I'm offski GN and GL. |
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The tourist hub of Bangkok's Khaosan Road is associated with farang the Thai word for someone of European ancestry, no matter where they may come from, so in their eyes, we're the same as the Germans and the French guys, how F"^*ing presumptuous is that!! we are seen as a target.
Here's another idiot who wants the world to know everything about him, but knows feck all himself. So boxing, can you differentiate an iraqi from a syrian? won't they both be arab for you? can you differentiate between an indian and a paksitani? can you differentiate between a sudanese and a nigerian? won't they both be african for you? White skin = farang. That's the same in the palces ive been to. Everyone assumes I should speak good english becasue my skin is white. They don't expect me to speak german. When they are out to rip off tourists, they won't bother with our nationality. White = farang = money = stupid = won't dare go to the police anyways. That's why you are the target. I am sorry if you feel offended that they call you the same word they use for the french and germans but taht's because they can rip all of them off with the same ease. Nothing to do with bringing you down to the level of the french or germans  |
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nowt to do with praying to a mountain
hope this helps |
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They'd have got them out quicker if they'd sung Onward Christian Soldiers.
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Take moisok for instance. He thinks the politicians work for him just because he votes for them. You might want to send him a few books too while you are at it. Its 2018 ffs.
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Who knows if the british divers hadn't intervened, they'd have gotten the kids out quicker. Maybe somewhere in Thailand a dusty(or a cleany?) is whining about how the brits spoiled Nang Norn's rescue plan after receiving the bribes.
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Maybe there is, but then all the more reason to send books.
Had I said 'these people are clearly backward lets eradicate em' then that would be too much But suggesting that what they think is primordial and giving them access to the things we have acquired isn't offensive. If non of us learned then we would still be barbarians in deserts without science or understanding of the world around us. What do those villages make of computers and all the technical advances that rocked up into that village recently in the effort to assist? Mores to the point, how come science led the mission and not prayer? |
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detraveller, OH dear just after I was being nice to you,
never mind, and yes I can tell the difference between different nationalities, as unlike many I have been lucky to have visited all these countries, HAVE YOU??.I have extensive knowledge of Thailand, have you ever been?? I came back 2 months ago!. I have visited at length every continent bar the frozen one ( you may recognise this as a UK take on Continents not a North American one). I' away I have better things to do, be lucky, but more importantly be healthy. Sorry for the delayed reply I was on the Phone. GN and GL |
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The geological surveys, the weather tracking, the scuba equipment to stop them from drowning, the computer prediction software determining best approach, the drugs given the kids to keep them calm enough to save, the thermal equipment taken them while in the cave, the nourishment given them to keep them alive.....
Where was prayer during this time, taking a back seat? |
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Someone asked what year it is. Did you know that in Thailand its the year 2561 ?
Thats right, they are literally years ahead of their time |
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Has Buck Rogers just landed there?
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detraveller, I'm actually in bed now, will you please give it a rest! this is a gambolling forum with anonymous posters using made up names spouting opinions, it's a great relief valve ( that's an English industrial revolution term, so you know) for venting frustrations. Be gracious for once in your life and accept my good wishes for a GN
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I really am off guys GN and GL.
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traveller doesn't even live in this country what would he know
a Mutti plant I guess |
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dustybin 19 Jul 18 19:38
So what sort of guff would you have me read? A dictionary would be a good start |
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What I wonder is what those who are thanking the spirits think would have happened had the world of discovery not stepped in?
When a trained diver with equipment (that itself was a product of science) died, how would anyone else have managed to even reach them, let alone getting them out on prayer and offering alone? Or do those same people thing the spirits actually made it more difficult given that science was doing the attempt, and had it been a monk say, the waters would have disappeared? |
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In the Mosta Dome in Malta, they have a bomb in a glass cabinet on display. During WWII it came through the roof when the Church was packed at Sunday Mass and it failed to explode. Locals believe to this day that it was divine intervention which saved the day. Dusty would say that it was a mechanical fault but Who will ever really know. If people want to believe such things, what harm are they causing? It is easy to mock things that we don`t understand or agree with. Live and let live.
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Then there was the stampede that kills thousands every year at Mecca, of even that crane that wiped out loads that was blown down in the wind....
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I didnt say those wafting fishing nets or whatever were doing harm
I said they could do with giving a bit more material to read |
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Mac, why didn't god intervene to save his cathedral in Cov?
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A world WW11 bomb fails to detonate! has this ever happened before,
 This God seems very selective which of his houses he will be bothered to save and the souls inside! From wiki, these are just the British ones ... Pages in category "British churches bombed by the Luftwaffe" The following 26 pages are in this category, out of 26 total. This list may not reflect recent changes (learn more). B St Nicholas Church, Bristol St Peter's Church, Castle Park, Bristol Temple Church, Bristol St Mary le Port Church, Bristol C Cardiff Metropolitan Cathedral St Nicholas' Church, Radford, Coventry Coventry Cathedral D St James' Church, Dover St Mary's Church, Dover E Exeter Cathedral G Great Yarmouth Minster H Holyrood Church L Church of Our Lady and Saint Nicholas, Liverpool Church of St Luke, Liverpool Liverpool Cathedral M Manchester Cathedral N St Benedict's Church, Norwich St Julian's Church, Norwich St Martin at Oak, Norwich P St Andrew's Church, Plymouth Charles Church, Plymouth S St John's Church, Bath Church of St Mark, Broomhill, Sheffield All Saints' Church, Southampton St. Mary's Church, Southampton Y St Martin le Grand, York And of course, other churches in Malta weren't so lucky. |
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I am not saying that I believe that it was divine intervention, the point that I was making was, that if it makes them happy believing that it was, increases their faith in God and makes them better persons, surely that is a good thing. God works in mysterious ways, as the saying goes. No one can prove beyond doubt that there isn`t a God and likewise nobody can prove that there is. That`s why it`s called Faith, I presume, you either believe or you don`t. If there is no God, the people who believed that there was will not be any wiser, but if there is a God, the ones who didn`t believe and mocked believers could be a little worried. I don`t know the answers. Live and let live.
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TMM, no one is being mocked, beliefs are a very personal thing, I have been studying this stuff for 50+ years, I need no lessons from weekend Buddhists like the idiot above above, here is a taste of just one branch of 'Spirituality' I find interesting. about 'God'......
This absolute, ever-expanding, instantaneous psychic gestalt, which you call God if you prefer, is so secure in its existence that it can constantly break itself down and rebuild itself. Its energy is so unbelievable, that it does indeed form all universes; and because its energy is within and behind all universes, systems and fields, it is indeed aware of each sparrow that falls, for it is each sparrow that falls. Now - and this will seem like a contradiction in terms - there is nonbeing. It is a state of, not of nothingness, but a state in which probabilities and possibilities are known and anticipated but blocked from expression. Dimly, through what you would call history, hardly remembered, there was such a state. It was a state of agony in which the powers of creativity and existence were known, but the ways to produce them were not known. This is the lesson that All That Is had to learn, and that could not be taught. This is the agony from which creativity originally was drawn, and its reflection is still seen. Some of this discussion is bound to be distorted, because I must explain it to you in terms of time as you understand it. So I will speak for your benefit, of some indescribably distant past in which these events occurred. All That Is retains memory of that state, and it serves as a constant impetus - in your terms - toward renewed creativity. Each self (you), as a part of All That Is therefore also retains memory of that state. It is for this reason that each minute consciousness is endowed with the impetus toward survival, change, development, and creativity. It is not enough that All That Is as a primary energy gestalt, desires further being, but each portion of It (you) also carries this determination. Yet the agony itself was used as the means, and the agony itself served as the impetus, strong enough so that All That Is initiated within Itself the means to be. If - and this is impossible - all portions but the most minute last 'unit' of All That Is were destroyed, All That Is would continue, for within the smallest portion is the innate knowledge of the whole. All That Is protects Itself, therefore, and all that It has and is and will create. When I speak of All That Is, you must understand my position within It. All That Is knows no other. This does not mean that there may not be more to know. It does not know whether or not other psychic gestalts like It exist. It is not aware of them if they do exist. It is constantly searching. It knows that something else existed before Its own primary dilemma when it could not express itself. It is conceivable then, that It has evolved, in your terms, so long ago It has forgotten Its origin, that It has developed from still another Primary which has - again, in your terms - long since gone Its way. So there are answers that I cannot give you, for they are not known anywhere in the system in which we have our existence. We do know that within this system of our All That Is, creation continues and developments are never still. The first state of agonized search for existence may have represented the birth throes of All That Is as we know it. In other words, All That Is existed in a state of being, but without the means to find expression for Its being. This was the state of agony of which I spoke. The agony and the desire to create represented Its proof of Its own reality. The feelings, in other words, were adequate proof to All That Is that It was. At first, in your terms, all of probable reality existed as nebulous dreams within the consciousness of All That Is. Later, the unspecific nature of these 'dreams' grew more particular and vivid. The dreams became recognizable one from the other until they drew the conscious notice of All That Is. And with curiosity and yearning, All That Is paid more attention to Its own dreams. It then purposely gave them more and more detail, and yearned toward this diversity and grew to love that which was not yet separate from Itself. It gave consciousness and imagination to personalities (us) while they were still within Its dreams. They also yearned to be actual. Potential individuals, in your terms, had consciousness before the beginning or any beginning as you know it, then. They (you) clamored to be released into actuality, and All That Is, in unspeakable sympathy, sought within Itself for the means. His was in your terms a primary cosmic dilemma, and one with which It wrestled until All That Is was completely involved and enveloped within that cosmic problem. Had It not solved it, All That Is would have faced insanity, and there would have been, literally, a reality without reason and a universe run wild. The pressure came from two sources: from the conscious but still probable individual selves who found themselves alive in God's dream, and from the God who yearned to release them. This, then, is the dilemma of any primary pyramid gestalt: It creates reality. It also recognized within each consciousness (you) the massive potential that existed. The means, then, came to It. It must release the creatures and probabilities from Its dream. To do so would give them actuality. However, it also meant 'losing' a portion of Its own consciousness, for it was within that portion that they were held in bondage. All That Is had to let go. With love and longing It let go that portion of Itself, and they (souls) were free. The psychic energy exploded in a flash of creation (big bang). All That Is, therefore, 'lost' a portion of Itself in that creative endeavor. All That Is loves all that is has created down to the least, for It realizes the dearness and uniqueness of each consciousness which has been wrest from such a state and at such a price. It, of Itself and from this state, has given life to infinities of possibilities. From Its agony, It found the way to burst forth in freedom, through expression, and in so doing gave existence to individualized consciousnesses. Therefore It is rightfully jubilant. Yet all individuals remember their source, and now dream of All That Is as All That Is once dreamed of them. And they yearn toward that immense source... and yearn to set It free and give It actuality through their own creations. These connections between you and All That Is can never be severed, and Its awareness is so delicate and focused that Its attention is indeed directed with a prime creator's love to each consciousness." "Even this overall pyramid gestalt (God) is not static. Most of your God concepts deal with a static God, and here is one of your main theological difficulties. The awareness and experience of this gestalt changes and grows. There is no static God. When you say 'This is God,' then God is already something else." "All portions of All That Is are constantly changing, enfolding and unfolding. All That Is, seeking to know Itself, constantly creates new versions of Itself. For this seeking Itself is a creative activity and is the core of all action." |
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Interesting stuff but doesn't explain the rise of The Donald.
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VG. |
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I have to add taken in isolation the above may seem strange, a bit like reading one paragraph and thinking you know the whole book, as I said just a minuscule example off one of the hundreds of different 'branches' on this subject that I have been interested in.
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Interesting read foxy. You have knackered me out getting through that and I need my medicine now, the kind aka and trilby would approve of i.e. Royal Salute
Be lucky! |
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I've just taken my 'smarties' (meds) so I'm off too, GL and GN.
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Platini • July 19, 2018 11:10 PM BST
Someone asked what year it is. Did you know that in Thailand its the year 2561 ? Am I to believe that this whole rescue thing doesn't actually take place for another five centuries ? And when it does it's gonna be achieved with ancient scuba diving equipment and not more up-to-date stuff ?  |