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Those Thia kids were saved by bribes pmsl
Those Thia kids were saved by bribes pmsl
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I am not saying that I believe that it was divine intervention, the point that I was making was, that if it makes them happy believing that it was, increases their faith in God and makes them better persons, surely that is a good thing
People are free to believe what they want, as long as it doesnt impact non believers. In this case it's telling isnt it that even those who believe whatever it is they believe stood down and got out of the way so the people who tackled the problem with logic could do their work. Its also telling that even though most were from different countries entering an area that believed this sort of thing they still wouldnt defer to them and took over the job of saving those kids. Thats it all in a nutshell. People can come up with whatever they like, its not the non believers role to discredit them, its for the believers to show exactly why they believe they are right. They have not supplied anything I can determine as evidence other than superstition and that to me is just mental health issues. My mother isnt religious but is superstitious. It manifested itself in all manner of nonsense, couldnt put shoes on the table (fine, why would you), couldnt cut nails or hair on a sunday (wtf?, but never really inconvienced me), couldnt cross on the staircase in a home (very rarely became an issue and when it did it was my mother who would retreat back down the stairs if somebody was coming the other way). There were others but it was a long time ago and I forget them as I didnt give them much credence at the time. The aborigines dont want people assenting Ayres rock for some tribal reason or other. Everyone on the planet starts off with nothing. Some believe the scriptures written by the hands of other humans are devine in some respect, many just see them as artificial. Offering up pigs heads (that was overlooked in this news piece) to offer a tribute to the mountain god is no different to the Aztec child sacrifice to the sun god. Except non of these acts are sacficifical to the person committing the act (other than perhaps losing a child, or a pig). Why dont they offer up their own sacfrifice? Its archiac and insular and holds back humanity when we pander to such illness in my view. |
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btf
The long winter nights must just fly by !  |
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dustybin
19 Jul 18 18:47 Joined: 29 Dec 08 | Topic/replies: 15,147 | Blogger: dustybin's blog The 13 kids stuck in a cave were at the will of a spirit called Nang Norn who used to be a human woman but turned into a mountain dont you know Laugh It wasnt those very brave individuals really who risked their lives to get em out, it was those women outside offering the mountain pettles ffs ^ As others have said the offering was after the rescue. The divers did indeed physically rescue the kids. But how were they guided to find them in time? Why did the water levels not rise and drown the kids? How did they survive on so little food and not fight and harm each other? These are all questions only nature can provide the answers for. It was not their time to leave and that is why they survived. There is much we do not understand. For instance where was our spirit before we were 'born'? Where does go after we 'die'? This dustybin character just appears scared of things he cannot explain. |
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The offering to the mountain spirit after the rescue.
 Pure speculation Im afraid, non of which has the first semblence of evidence, its all rather dangerous to assume things like confirmation bias on stuff without reason. How were the divers 'guided'? They had data of the inside of the caves, apparently using smell to locate them when close. Why did the water levels not rise and drown them? The water was diverted as much as possible keeping the levels managable, timing was determined on meteorological readings using a window of opportunity determined by humans using scientific means....not data provided by bell ringers. How did they survive on so little food and not fight and harm each other? People can survive longer than what those kids did without food. Im not scared InsiderTrader, though as a Nihilist I do often follow the belief that suffering is guarenteed, pleasure is not. That nature itself is hell and as Neitzsche himself declared, 'we are all better off having never existed' (given the cryptic madness of conclusions drawn by those who clearly dont know) |
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Dusty your replies are based in the material world. How did the divers get the data? How do they have a sense of smell? How can they even dive?
I noticed you ignored the key questions.. where was our spirit before we were 'born'? Where does go after we 'die'? |
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Those are all notions that have never been ratified.
Materialism v Idealism isnt even known today so its somewhat pointless having that discussion. Ultimately is down to the laws of the envivonment we 'exist' within, finding out those laws unveils 'truths' which get vindicated by being able to recreate theories from experiments....not hope, not faith not superstition. What created those laws, or even what created us isnt within our knowledge. What I do know is that I didnt create me, and that I had no say. I also know that if I dont use reason to determine actions I do then I am by definition, unreasonable. If being reasonable steps on somebodies omnipotent toes, then perhaps they might have given me better direction? All that itself is answering a question of whimsy; that those who come to a conclusion dont have to provide proof for them to be accepted, whereas I say I dont know, but I will listen to the evidence. If thats wrong then we are all as good as f ucked anyway. |
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detraveller, I don't know how your 'quote got into that post!!, it was meant for Facts, we were having a bit of banter.
The post should have had no quotes just the line to Facts..... Apologies for not asking earlier, how are the 'house guests'  |
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Nevermind boxing, i stopped bothering when you said you've traveled all continents and lived in Thailand but expect people in Thailand to be able to differentiate between a german, french and brit. No offense.
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religion - 'how to shift personal responsibility for an act'
You can quote me on that coz that's mine ho ho |
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Good point detraveller, I lack the typing speed and patience to post in the same way as I would speak, perhaps I lack the eloquence as well
 . I have been blessed to have traveled to so many fantastic places and gotten out among the locals to get a taste of their diverse and rich cultures and beliefs, and I know I do not display the fondness and respect I have for them all in my ramblings on here GL with your punting today. |
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dusty, have you ever experienced anything that you cannot explain through logic and science?
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On the basis that science attempts to answer the questions regarding life and existence and started with nothing its come a long way (especially as its been given no 'help') but what it doesnt know is significantly greater than what it does....so yes.
That is different to assuming things based on....hearsay. Sacrificing things for gods of mountains, the sun or anything else is so old world mentality its actually pretty offensive. |
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How do you legislate for it anyway?
If you dont have to prove something you could make any old thing up Thats ultimately what happens in theocracies, and would you want to live under one? |
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'religion is the attempt to control the population'
another great quote from Mo Towers we have lots of them and all mine |
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dustybin
21 Jul 18 14:27 Joined: 29 Dec 08 | Topic/replies: 15,151 | Blogger: dustybin's blog How do you legislate for it anyway? If you dont have to prove something you could make any old thing up Thats ultimately what happens in theocracies, and would you want to live under one? ^ I used to be like you. Since then I have had several spiritual experiences that I cannot explain that have changed my outlook. |
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