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Don't be silly. The Litvinenko case certainly had enough evidence for trial and extraditions were sought but Russia declined.
If you you suspect state sponsored murder and have bucket loads of evidence it is still not going to trial unless you have gone to war and conquered that state. Otherwise an inquest is all that can be done. There was an inquiry and the report found that Litvinenko was killed by two Russian agents, for what that was worth. |
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Yes , exactly . There were NO trials and NO convictions relating to the two assasinations to which you refer (Georgi Markov was indeed Bulgarian , not Hungarian - we all make mistakes lol) .
Yes there was an enquiry and the report found that Litvinenko was killed by two Russian agents . You also added the words "for what that was worth" . Exactly ! Enquiries are there to serve a purpose , give the people the 'facts' that suit a specific agenda . We have had plenty of enquiries in recent years that aint worth Jack ! Hillsborough (2 enquiries) The Iraq enquiry (Chilcott report) . Theres gonna be another cover up soon when we get the result of the Grenfell enquiry . Ok , for the record I do believe that both assasinations were carried out by foreign agents (possibly russian) but , as you quite rightly said , one doesn't need evidence to accuse , one does need evidence to convict . An ex-KGB agent Oleg Gordievski (I think) allegedly did confess to his involvement in the poison umbrella assasination of Georgi Markov , but as of today , no convictions . And here we go again , people being taken seriously ill and all we know is what we are told via the government controlled media . But simply by looking at what we already know and/or can find with a little investigative logic we can be sure that what the government is feeding us is probably a pack of lies . For example , if it was indeed Novichok they would not have survived-FACT . What is even more important is one simple question . Why ? |
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And don't call me 'silly' please . I respect your opinion , please respect mine .
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Simon Jenkins of The Guardian ask the question where is the evidence?
He is a highly respected journalist. We are moving in to 1984. We thought Chump was the killer of the truth but our own Government needs to be brought to account. We need some proof of what is going on. I dare say some of out football fans in Moscow will get beaten up soon! This is a very sad state of affairs and there are people here of opposite political persuasions need to wise up and identify who the real enemy is. Clearly the Russian people are not. I do not get paid in Roubles or really watch Russia Today. |
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Oooooh ! An Orwellian reference , I do so love an Orwellian reference . Two legs good and all that lol
Sadly there are few highly respected journalists with the self respect to report on such matters with integrity and honesty . As for needing the proof of what is going on , it's there , right in front of our eyes . But speak that truth and one is ridiculed and hounded and labelled as 'far right' and therefore hold views and opinions that mustn't be voiced . Foe evil to triumph all that is required is for good men to do nothing . |
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it was silly because you asked a question you knew the answer to.
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I know I knew the answer but that doesn't preclude me from asking someone who I think knows the answer whether he knows the answer or not .................. I think
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That does not help at all, dave.
Please, please show me them ?, you seem to use them in your arguments often. Just give me an example, just one..... |
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I am aware that the soviet union has broken up (as opposed to fallen) but I'm confused about left , right , middle wing etc . As seems to be the norm these days , someone expresses an opinion and rather than debate the point and examine their opinion its easier to say "oh you're far right so I'm not going to discuss it with you" . That way they avoid the difficult situation of rational discussion .
Therefore I ask again , what did I say that warrants being labelled as 'right-wing' or fascist , neo-nazi , xenophobe or whatever else you wanna sling my way ? Also , and I respect your greater knowledge in this respect , is Russia more 'left-wing' than say for example the UK ? I'm getting old but I thought they were referred to as communist and I cannot recall when their politics changed markedly . Thanks in advance , Reynard . |
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a few more nutters not accepting the monumental b0llocks we are being fed Dave,so why ro you pretend to believe it,im almost sure you aint that daft
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You need to wonder about the thought that seeing as The Russian Federation has been convicted of nothing they can't have
been involved. Clearly not involved in the murders of scores of journalists over the last 20 or so years either seeing as there is rarely a trial let alone a conviction. BTW I'm not saying they were involved in this latest very odd case, I have no idea, it has to at least be a possibility tho? |
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We all agree its possible but so are many other reasons.
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'A GOOD DAY TO HIDE BAD NEWS' Remember that one from a government advisor(labour)
anyway none of you silly billys are taking this seriously Do you not remember the history of british 'intelligence' forces - quite despicable morals - look what James Bond got up to for starters and in WWII the sneaky brits shoved a dead body into the sea to confuse the nazis about where the landings were going to take place - that simply was not cricket PIP PIP!!! I am off to watch another despicable despot and his machinations Possibly the greatest field general ever - NAPOLEON - he was good at foul deeds - and confusing the enemy he didn't play the game either ps this is the barsteward that started all this EU nonsense too. |
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ps and look how Napoleon got the full weight of british propaganda but also dark arts flung at him
anyone get my drift? |
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On the news tonight seems to be the theory so far that it is related to the first event. Suggestions that it was a container used to apply the agent was discarded and these poor people came into contact with it, or the site where it was prepared.
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THNFI
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I wouldn`t dismiss Reynard and Dustybin`s theories. Lot of dirty tricks are initiated in the dark corridors of Whitehall.
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do you think 'they' know but are playing with it??
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themightymac
I feel I should point out that I actually have several theories . Only one , maximum , may turn out to be correct . Therefore by very definition all the others will eventually be dismissed . I may open a book on them at some point when I have studied the form a little more thoroughly but as things stand my 'Brexit diversion theory' is 25/1 on the tissue  |
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If it is a scam then 'they' are unlikely to tell us are they
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The only certain thing is that it wasn`t Russia, if it had been, the victims would be dead.
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so let me get this straight. On the one hand the Russians are unfairly accused of various assassinations
yet if they did attempt it you assume they could not possibly fail. A confusing juxtaposition |
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If it was Novichok , they would be brown bread !
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that isn't what he wrote and you agreed with tho....The only certain thing is that it wasn`t Russia, if it had been,
the victims would be dead. |
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Twas implied that Novichok was the weapon of choice , but alternatively the use of ballistics would have been equally as efficient .
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the inference appeared to be that they were such crack assassins they could not possibly fail
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Its not a question of infallibility , but 0/4 is a shocking return given their reputation
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Russians would not have failed.
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now now it would be 0/2 as nobody thinks this latest couple were actually targeted.
apparently the guy did something called "skip diving" which i think is just a fancy phrase for going through the rubbish. |
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Little doubt it was the Russians, they are the biggest liars in the world
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........... and the larrgest skip-hire business in Wiltshire ?
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It’s ok Reynard, Stalin had the measure of people from Britain and the west like you
Useful idiots |
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I love watching Stalins when they roost . All those lovely wavy patterns in the evening sky . Could watch 'em for hours
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Well I suppose you can only be yourself to know so much
and to say nothing |
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I have an intense dislike of people who talk in riddles . Do you think they do it as a way of trying to appear deep thinking and intelligent ?
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I don’t know about that , I do know anything you say is all very senseless ,
don’t allow yourself to believe anything else , |
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Thank you lfc1971 . You seem like a decent fellow . Not many I can say that about in here but you're definitely one of the good 'uns
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