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By:
donny osmond
When: 25 Apr 18 20:28
In April 2016, the then Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond - who is now the
chancellor - was told by Caribbean ministers about immigrants facing deportation
despite having lived in the UK for most of their lives, and the BBC understands a
report about their concerns was passed to the Home Office, which was led at the time
by Mrs May.
By:
moisok
When: 25 Apr 18 21:43
ROCHDALE
By:
akabula
When: 25 Apr 18 21:57
Understands? So nothing factual Donny.
Has anybody come up with the numbers involved?
By:
donny osmond
When: 25 Apr 18 22:00
https://www.shropshirestar.com/news/politics/2018/04/24/primer-minister-apologises-to-windrush-gran-brought-up-in-telford/
By:
donny osmond
When: 25 Apr 18 22:01
give it time akabula

another day closer to the whole truth
By:
donny osmond
When: 25 Apr 18 22:09
important to remember that 10 days ago the gov thought this issue was sufficiently trivial that they thought fine to reject Caribbean diplomats' request for meeting

10 days on suddenly the Home Secretary keeps saying how upsetting she finds these stories. Odd.






from twitter
By:
akabula
When: 25 Apr 18 22:16
Twitter you say. Must be right then.
By:
akabula
When: 25 Apr 18 22:22

donny osmond
nothing to do with illegal immigrants


Of course it has Donny. Some of the Windrush generation caught up in the campaign to rid ourselves of illegal immigrants.
Caught up because they didn't have the appropriate paperwork. Who's fault was that is an important question.
By:
donny osmond
When: 25 Apr 18 22:25
another non windrush caught up in the clampdown....

A father denied a passport after being unable to prove he is a British citizen has said time is running out to take his family on their first trip abroad.
John Ingram, 39, was born in Germany while his parents were serving in the RAF.
The father of two, living in St Athan, Vale of Glamorgan, said his birth certificate was rejected when he tried to get a passport for a trip to Spain.
The Home Office has been asked to comment.

Mr Ingram told BBC Wales he was born in a British military hospital in 1979 where his parents were serving and only spent two months in Germany.
He has lived in the UK ever since and has never held a passport.
But when he tried to apply to get one, the Home Office rejected his birth certificate as proof of identity as it was issued by the British Consulate.
'It's really upsetting'
He now faces being unable to go on the booked trip to Spain in June with his five-year-old son and daughter, eight, and partner Danielle, unless he can find more documents which prove his nationality.
"My daughter keeps asking if daddy is coming on holiday with us," he told BBC Wales.
"Even though I worked all my life, paying NI and tax, both my parents are British, I have been here for nearly 40 years, and I still have to try to prove I'm British.
"It is really upsetting, it would be our first holiday abroad. I know they tell you not to book before you have got your passport, but I didn't expect this."
His story comes amid the Windrush scandal, where some immigrants who came to the UK from the Commonwealth decades ago have been threatened with deportation or refused jobs or healthcare.
'How do you prove it?'
Mr Ingram said that the Home Office had wanted a German birth certificate as proof of his identity. But as he was born in a British military hospital he said "it doesn't exist, because I am not German".
"They keep moving the goal posts, they keep saying whatever I give them is not good enough," he said.
Mr Ingram said he had contacted his MP and had complained to the Home Office about the way his case was being treated, which has since been escalated.
But with the holiday approaching in June he says he is running out of time to get the situation resolved.
"It cost us a lot of money and she [Danielle] doesn't want to go unless we can all go together, but how do you prove you are British?," he said.
By:
donny osmond
When: 25 Apr 18 22:27
windrush are not illegal immigrants
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 26 Apr 18 05:39
What we must not do as a nation is to allow the radical left to use this mistake by Amber Rudd as an excuse to allow all illegals to stay.

Now stories are coming out of people who have lived here for two years on a visa getting deported after the 2 year visa runs out being called unfair because they have a UK partner. Why is that sort of thing unfair and what has it got to do with Windrush?
By:
lfc1971
When: 26 Apr 18 07:16
Look Donny if the government want to deport illegal immigrants
and they want the civil service to find and deport illegal immigrants

How is it the governments fault if the civil service deport people who are not illegal immigrants ( if that is what they are doing)
now grow up
By:
lfc1971
When: 26 Apr 18 07:51
look at where the problems lie, with the people doing the work involved in these cases and if mistakes have been made fix them
there is no point making something more out of this than there is
By:
PorcupineorPineapple
When: 26 Apr 18 08:27
So it's enough for them to just have a one line policy and have no thought on how it will be implemented, the effect on the wider community, the balance of evidence needed to incarcerate someone while they're being investigated?
By:
lfc1971
When: 26 Apr 18 08:35
fine if there are mistakes in policy that is the governments responsibility
as far as I know there are no mistakes in the policy

the mistakes are in the implementation of that policy
that is the responsibility of those tasked with implementing that policy, the people on the ground being paid to do that job
By:
lfc1971
When: 26 Apr 18 08:46
there are grey areas, for example a case of two brothers who came to Britain after the recognised date 1973 or whatever
their parents or one of them was already in Britain earlier, before that date

but the law had changed saying only those whose parents had been born in Britain could come to Britain, their parents or parent had not
so technically the two brothers had no right to be in Britain

so that is an example of the sort of cases that we have
By:
lfc1971
When: 26 Apr 18 08:57
now Donny might come back and say but they are not illegal aliens
well yes and no...
By:
PorcupineorPineapple
When: 26 Apr 18 08:59
So the responsibility begins and ends at the policy. Not in how it's implemented. No responsibility for the staff's actions?
By:
lfc1971
When: 26 Apr 18 09:00
they are caught in in the difference between then and now, the way things were then and the many changes then and the fudges and grey areas then and the new regulations then and cut off dates then and the erratic and disperce movement of families then and now
By:
lfc1971
When: 26 Apr 18 09:02
mistakes were always likely, the important thing is to the proper process and unfortunatedly as I explained earlier you cannot trust the british civil service
By:
lfc1971
When: 26 Apr 18 09:04
They have people on their staff, at all levels, who are not competent and indeed care only about getting their quotas, yes that is the culture in the workplace today throughout all society, in the office and in the factories , everywhere
By:
lfc1971
When: 26 Apr 18 09:08
it is pervasive in all parts of life, from the guy handing out parking tickets who has to fufill  so many each day, to the person in the factory who might cut corners to meet targets, to the civil service staff and management who also have targets to meet to secure their own job or promotion etc and so it goes on
By:
PorcupineorPineapple
When: 26 Apr 18 09:10
So, surely then you'd agree that Corbyn bears no responsibility for some party members displaying anti-semitic sentiments?


He's been very clearly, on the record, stating he wants zero tolerance for anti-semitism.



That's enough then isn't it. How the rest of the party has implemented this zero tolerance policy isn't down to him.
By:
lfc1971
When: 26 Apr 18 09:11
they are working to keep their job, they are not working to do their job or fulfil a service
not any more the pressure is too great, people are too afraid of losing their job
that's modern Britain
By:
lfc1971
When: 26 Apr 18 09:12
pineapple I don't trust Corbyn, because he is intellectually and morally dishonest
By:
lfc1971
When: 26 Apr 18 09:23
I knew what it was like in factories, I knew how that had changed
I didn't know or think it was like that also in the civil service until I had personal experience, I was shocked
By:
PorcupineorPineapple
When: 26 Apr 18 09:44
I'll take that as you agreeing with me then.
By:
donny osmond
When: 26 Apr 18 09:51
windrush have been reporting problems for months or years even

this government have been very slow to accept their fault in all of this

simply prolonging the injustice whilst apologising isnt a good polocy
By:
STUDYFORM
When: 26 Apr 18 11:14

Apr 26, 2018 -- 5:39AM, InsiderTrader wrote:


What we must not do as a nation is to allow the radical left to use this mistake by Amber Rudd as an excuse to allow all illegals to stay.Now stories are coming out of people who have lived here for two years on a visa getting deported after the 2 year visa runs out being called unfair because they have a UK partner. Why is that sort of thing unfair and what has it got to do with Windrush?


It's a pretty fair bet that 'the radical left' (whoever they are) don't want illegal immigrants or extra immigration either.

By:
STUDYFORM
When: 26 Apr 18 11:20

Apr 26, 2018 -- 9:12AM, lfc1971 wrote:


pineapple I don't trust Corbyn, because he is intellectually and morally dishonest


No he isn't.
In fact of all the politicians I have EVER seen, he seems to be the most honest.
You might not like what he says and the press may (do) vilify him, but I'd seriously struggle to name a more honest politician.

Not that I have any particular affiliation with him.
Not that it has anything to do with this thread, it's just that putting, "Well, Corbyn would be worse" or it's "Corbyn's fault", is the standard message in nearly every vaguely political thread or article.

Feel free to put up your standard 10 responses, lfc. I'm busy at work now and I've said all I want to.

By:
donny osmond
When: 26 Apr 18 11:53
standard reply seems to mention illegal immigrants when discussing these folk who came to
help rebuild this country, and to help build our health service.

now they need the help they are entitled to they are told to prove their entitlement by a government
that knows they couldnt prove it as the records are destroyed
By:
aaronh
When: 26 Apr 18 12:36

Apr 26, 2018 -- 11:14AM, STUDYFORM wrote:


Apr 26, 2018 --  5:39AM, InsiderTrader wrote:What we must not do as a nation is to allow the radical left to use this mistake by Amber Rudd as an excuse to allow all illegals to stay.Now stories are coming out of people who have lived here for two years on a visa getting deported after the 2 year visa runs out being called unfair because they have a UK partner. Why is that sort of thing unfair and what has it got to do with Windru**** a pretty fair bet that 'the radical left' (whoever they are) don't want illegal immigrants or extra immigration either.


people who actually identify themselves as radical or far left are likely to be against anti-immigration measures and pro open borders

the difference is that the actual far left are small and irrelevant and people just think your average liberal is one

By:
donny osmond
When: 26 Apr 18 13:57
Amber Rudd is facing fresh calls to quit as home secretary after it emerged officials were
set targets for the removal of illegal immigrants.

On Wednesday Ms Rudd denied targets were used, when she faced MPs
investigating the problems faced by the Windrush generation.

But she admitted on Thursday to "local targets" for "internal" use but said
she had not known about them.

The Home Office is now scrapping them, the BBC's Laura Kuenssberg understands.

The instruction to axe them is likely to be sent out from Immigration and Enforcement,
a division of the Home Office, in the coming days.
By:
PorcupineorPineapple
When: 26 Apr 18 14:30
Every time I think a tory minister is the most incompetent buffoon imaginable, another one crops up and asks me to hold his or her beer.
By:
saddo
When: 26 Apr 18 14:32
They'll get more votes by publicising these targets imo.
By:
donny osmond
When: 26 Apr 18 14:54
of course they will, thats what the go home vans were about

fighting for the ukip votes

but of course decent folk are repulsed by this government
By:
donny osmond
When: 26 Apr 18 14:59
which of course is why the government ....

a/ tried to deny they existed yesterday, or proved their incompetance
by really not knowing about their own targets

b/ and is now going to scrap them
By:
akabula
When: 27 Apr 18 00:04
Lefties all seething here yet they don't know the facts. Laugh
Question. How many of the Windrush generation have been deported?
By:
akabula
When: 27 Apr 18 00:06
Of those detained what %age of them had no papers?
By:
donny osmond
When: 27 Apr 18 00:13
david lammy is attempting to get that info , well over 10 days hes been waiting

when government announce it , im sure you will know...

meanwhile how many are using the helpline set up by government ?

how many police were threatened to be deported by this windrush disgrace

which member of government stepped in to stop their deportation?


interesting stuff !
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