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Can anyone make any sense of this "spy poisoning"
Can anyone make any sense of this "spy poisoning"
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Russia can be safely ignored when it comes to trade and profit, its comparable to less than new York state
However we can of course continue to trade, just don't let them live in Britain |
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Amazing how quiet the BBC seem to be on this as well, not to mention SKY (who were big pushers of this when it happened) going stum on it as well. I think its time these two media outlets are forcefully shut down as well, its getting beyond a joke how easily these people have it.
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as someone said previously
who took the pictures of him and his daughter - a helpful waiter?? or........ |
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I mentioned Agrochemicals before now this from craig murray
I have now received confirmation from a well placed FCO source that Porton Down scientists are not able to identify the nerve agent as being of Russian manufacture, and have been resentful of the pressure being placed on them to do so. Porton Down would only sign up to the formulation “of a type developed by Russia” after a rather difficult meeting where this was agreed as a compromise formulation. The Russians were allegedly researching, in the “Novichok” programme a generation of nerve agents which could be produced from commercially available precursors such as insecticides and fertilisers. This substance is a “novichok” in that sense. It is of that type. Just as I am typing on a laptop of a type developed by the United States, though this one was made in China. To anybody with a Whitehall background this has been obvious for several days. The government has never said the nerve agent was made in Russia, or that it can only be made in Russia. The exact formulation “of a type developed by Russia” was used by Theresa May in parliament, used by the UK at the UN Security Council, used by Boris Johnson on the BBC yesterday and, most tellingly of all, “of a type developed by Russia” is the precise phrase used in the joint communique issued by the UK, USA, France and Germany yesterday ... When the same extremely careful phrasing is never deviated from, you know it is the result of a very delicate Whitehall compromise. |
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What do you mean "now this", moisok?
 Murray did that blog post a couple of weeks ago and I'm not sure that what he said then should be interpreted differently after Porton Down's comments this week, or BJ's balls-up? |
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it were on the front of our much loved guardian today coupe of three hours ago on the live politics today etc
furst wiv the knews is the gruniad - how very dare you even hint of any criticism of the manchester guardian |
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couple even
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Ah rite, thanks for clarifying - I've found the extract on the Guardian blog now. It just threw me a bit why you'd be quoting from what he'd said two or three weeks ago.
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Developments, Watson!
--- Russia state TV has aired a recording of an alleged phone conversation, which it says took place between UK poisoning victim Yulia Skripal and her cousin. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-43652574 --- Transcript of recorded conversation The hosts of the "60 Minute" show on state-owned Rossiya 1 - Yevgeny Popov and Olga Skabeyeva - said they were unable to confirm the authenticity of the phone call. Viktoria: Hello? Alleged Yulia: Hello. Do you hear me? Viktoria: Yes, I hear you. Alleged Yulia: It is Yulia Skripal. Viktoria: Oh, Yulka [diminutive of Yulia] it is you! I recognise from your voice that it is you but cannot understand. So, they gave you a telephone, didn't they? Alleged Yulia: Yes, yes. Viktoria: Thanks God! Yulyash [diminutive of Yulia], is everything okay with you? Alleged Yulia: Everything is ok, everything is fine. Viktoria: Look, if tomorrow I get a (British) visa, I will come to you on Monday. Alleged Yulia: Vika, no-one will give you the visa. Viktoria: Well I thought so too. Oh well. Alleged Yulia: Most likely. Viktoria: If they give it, I need you to tell me whether I can visit you or not, tell me that I can. Alleged Yulia: I think no, there is such a situation now, we'll sort it out later. Viktoria: I know it, I know it all. Alleged Yulia: Later, we will get it sorted later, everything's fine, we'll see later. Viktoria: Is it your phone? Alleged Yulia: It is a temporary phone. Everything is fine, but we'll see how it goes, we'll decide later. You know what the situation is here. Everything is fine, everything is solvable, everyone (he and her father) is recovering and is alive. Viktoria: Clear! Is everything ok with your father? Alleged Yulia: Everything is ok. He is resting now, having a sleep. Everyone's health is fine, there are no irreparable things. I will be discharged soon. Everything is ok. Viktoria: Kisses, my bunny. Alleged Yulia: Bye. |
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Gets even more bizarre. We were told (if they survived) that life changing damage could have been done to both. Now they seem well on the mend??
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It's all going pear shaped for May, on a daily basis.
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Has May handed in her resignation yet? its been pear shaped since the election last year, we really do live in a bizarre world when Donald is still president and May despite her being the most inept PM ever is still running round as if she's the messiah.
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I think May and Doris could both go quite soon.
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I do so hope you're right Injera.
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Electoral chaos is not what we need though Facts.
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If she was poisoned by Russian agents she'd have been dead almost instantly, if they wanted to send a message she'd have been a cabbage for the rest of her life. not bouncing round the hospital having conversations on the phone. Boris has been caught lying red handed so he needs to be forced out immediately, and May is so incompetent its not even funny anymore. Bye bye to the pair of them, and hopefully they take all of the others in the cabinet with them. they should also be told to leave the country as well, they've put this country in a very horrible position, remove their passports after they've boarded the plane.
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Injera 05 Apr 18 17:41
Electoral chaos is not what we need though Facts. What this country needs is Jeremy Corbyn leading a Socialist Labour government. |
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But they are ramping up the propaganda on the tabloids etc etc. sorry - the pro tory propaganda - who on earth do you believe
whoever set this up is either feeling very smug or very embarrassed!! |
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Socialist? So you'll ditch your mobile, your tv, you'll shop at the mini greengrocer and never drive a car?
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Viva Jeremiah
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It's obvious it isn't military grade, it took 2-3 hours to kick in. And this 'deadly grade nerve agent' that poisoned 3 people has failed to kill anybody yet, and two of them are recovering. So either Boris and May have got this terribly wrong, or Russian assassins have become so useless (?)
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^ ...either Boris and May have got this terribly wrong, or Russian assassins have become so useless (?)
Just thought of another possibility, a miracle, our amazing NHS have cured a deadly nerve agent in a fortnight. |
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SontaranStratagem
We know Russia had nothing to do with this Keep posting m8, I've had a bad day on the poker but you're cheering me up with the nonsense you post.  |
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with no antidote they said!!!
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TELL DEL
It's obvious it isn't military grade, it took 2-3 hours to kick in. The article I read on nerve agents spoke of a gradual and sustained attack on the nervous system. |
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10 - 15 times stronger than vx that took out kin wrong un's step brother
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continual misinformation
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akabula
"The article I read on nerve agents spoke of a gradual and sustained attack on the nervous system." An article I read was much different to that, the whole point of a battlefield military-grade nerve agent is that it incapacitates the enemy very quickly. No point in giving an enemy soldier a lethal dose and then two hours before it takes effect, is there ? |
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To say it stinks is an understatement,more like dads army than Russian agents..
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It's amusing to find the forum's Corbynistas supporting the views of Dr Crippen and President Putin. Ron Russian and his mate Brian must be loving it.
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Are they still on the go on utube?
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I haven't looked recently, Akabula. I'm sure they still look in here most days though, force of habit.
The last time I looked, BC was displaying Nazi insignia so little doubt where his sympathies lie. |
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Would check it out but can't remember the link. You got it?
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i think britain would have more credence in this case if the uk ambassador to the un wasn't a tranny.
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With all their protective gear couldn't they have given the pets water ? A cat and two guinea pigs died of thirst. Of course if they had lived it would have shown they were free of nerve agent.
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Aka, it's PJ Harvey - All and everyone.
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howard
"A cat and two guinea pigs died of thirst. Of course if they had lived it would have shown they were free of nerve agent" On the local news this morning they said the 2 guinea pigs had already died and a vet had to put the cat to sleep because it was in such a distressed state, all the pets were just left in the property when it was sealed off for investigations. A couple of days ago Russia’s Foreign Ministry wanted Britain to provide information about the pets that lived in the house, and their condition, they could have been an important piece of evidence. Agree with howard, with all their protective gear they could have given the pets food and water. It was not until this week that Moscow raised concerns over the welfare of the pets. Apparently all the animals have now been incinerated. But Russia have now referred to a second missing cat, which was not mentioned by the British government. (beginning to stink of a cover-up, these animals have hardly been mentioned before or what state they were in. Needs to be a completely independent probe into this "spy poisoning case" by a panel of independent experts. And keep Theresa May and Bojo out of it ! |
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TELL DEL • April 5, 2018 10:22 PM BST
akabula "The article I read on nerve agents spoke of a gradual and sustained attack on the nervous system." An article I read was much different to that, the whole point of a battlefield military-grade nerve agent is that it incapacitates the enemy very quickly. No point in giving an enemy soldier a lethal dose and then two hours before it takes effect, is there ? Why do you think that this would be used in the battlefield? You do realise that incapacitating soldiers and civilians behind front lines causes more problems than simply killing them instantly. |
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Now the bloke is getting better.
What I will say though. He was 66 and she was 33. Mmmm |
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good point,evil by numbers
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