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Yes and getting more broke all the time.
the debt has nearly doubled since 2010. The blame is neatly placed with Benefits scroungers, immigrants, etc etc and not with the incapable politicians. Again you're spouting crap and writing snippets from the daily mail. Try lobbying your MP against HS2 - or the Trident replacement - MP's salaries and expenses, or giving money to banks, etc etc, or any of the other serious wastes of money they preside over. Don't blame poor people. |
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Ah where have I blamed poor people study, you really must stop making things up
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nobody works , that is the problem, there are millions on state benefits and thre are millions who don't leave school until their mid twenties or later
the system needs people to be starting work at least 10 years earlier, 16 and working for at least 50 years, not skiving! You're referring to rich ones then? Oh, and MASSIVELY exaggerating stuff that's not true. |
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mmps salaries? too high, teachers salaries ? too high, doctors salaries ? too high
there is a whole list of salaries that are too high That is what you don't understand |
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To be fair, lfc hasn't blamed poor people. He said they don't exist!
Excellent post Study (21:11) |
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mmps salaries? too high, teachers salaries ? too high, doctors salaries ? too high
there is a whole list of salaries that are too high That is what you don't understand |
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think should be a limit
say 30 post's per day per forumite |
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look studyform, I am referring just for a start to 50% of young people who never seem to leave school,
I am referring to millions of people who don't have a working life of at least 50 years so pipe down about poor people There are none |
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I'm not dignifying such tripe with a response.
You know nothing... about anything. |
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well that would be better, its easy if you stay silent. more enlightening
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 Of all the people to post that?!?!?! |
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well I felt I had to, of course, now when you manage to find those poor people let us know
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Any examples, maybe just one
you see I like facts |
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thegiggilo 22 Feb 18 18:49
There's millions in unclaimed benefits as well Billions actually. The total unclaimed amount for the DWP’s estimates alone – pension credit, housing benefit, jobseeker’s allowance, income support and employment and support allowance – is £13bn a year. |
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The problem isn't wages are too high, lfc, if anything they're far too low for the majority of workers to live on. I grew up during the Thatcher era and things were bad then but much worse now. We have working populations having to survive on benefits because of low wages and all it acheives is to allow employers to have a cheap workforce topped up by working families tax credits paid for by taxpayers all kept dangling on zero hours contracts. We're a rich country we dont need lower wages to allow the rich more we just need a fairer distribution of earnings. Can't be many better ways to keep your population or employees under control when you can cut off their income and send them destitute with the stroke of a pen.
As an aside I used to work in the housing benefit sector years ago and the majority of fraud is committed by landlords not tenants. |
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As Study says National debt doubled under Cameron. Think it's over £1.5 trillion.
We were borrowing £9bn a month and now I believe it varies between 5 and 6. That's how much the public sector needs to exist in its current state. So we somehow need to generate £6bn more a month to break even and stop the national debt from rising further. |
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I totally agree, Ghetto Joe.
You cannot blame single mothers and others in the same situation whereby if they went to work they would only earn slightly more than staying at home doing nothing. The minimum wage rate should be increased substantially. As you said I feel sorry for today's working generation. The cost of housing, among other things, has meant even if you have a good job it is still a struggle. My post was about the fact that I cannot see how someone who has their rent and council tax paid and gets about £90 on top a week can find themselves with no food, no heating etc. She also said that she moved about seventeen times, what was that all about? The council has a duty to house her, so what happened? She is a left winger who writes in america as well, telling them about this. |
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If the minimum wage increased along with other low pay work it would create inflation in rents and mortgages. Estate agents would milk it like never before. Where I live flats sell for 200k.
The housing boom which has existed for decades was/is never regulated. It's free market capatalism at its worse, hence the need for tax credits and housing benefit (for those IN work!) It's economic madness to allow this to happen. |
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She made her fame from saying she fed her son and herself on just £10 a week, but now says she didn't have anything. And if she did feed her son on £10 a week then did her heating bill come to £80 a week?
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Annie... maybe some weeks she didn't have £10 a week to spend on food?
 Are you on a fishing trip re the non binary thing, being obtuse, or do you genuinely think £90 a week just needs to go on food and the heating? |
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No, I said non binary as that is what the person wants to be known as.
Of course I don't think the £90 is just for food and heating but I cannot see how she cannot manage on it to the extent that her child goes hungry and cold. So what did she do with the money? I am sorry but saying your child went hungry and cold is a bad reflection on you, not the state. |
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annie... ok apologies re non binary. I guess it's just you saying "the non binary protests too much" could be interpreted as being slightly facetious.
Could I ask, tho: if you don't think the £90 (your figure) was just for food and heating, then why did you suggest her heating bill came to £80? What about rent, water, clothing? |
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I was being sarcastic,JOMO about the heating being £80!
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And, as I have said before on this thread the £90 does not include rent as that would be paid by housing benefit.
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Is rent always covered in full by housing benefit?
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Well if you want to live in an expensive flat then no it would not be covered. But if by choosing to live there it meant your child was hungry and cold with no christmas presents and no tree, she said, then you wouldn't , would you?
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Shirley you're not factoring Christmas presents and a tree into the £90 weekly budget, annie?
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You are making a lot of assumptions, annie.
She may not have been granted full rent and council tax, maybe she has a TV licence or has to buy clothes, pay for food for a week, as JOMO says, water, sewage, gas AND electric. Bus and other travel fares? Or should the poor have to wear rags and walk everywhere. Or have the temerity to smoke. Is a phone a luxury? Should people truly have to give up even what we would - these days - consider basic living items, in order to satisfy the rest of us? Maybe she's paying a loan taken out to enable her to move into her flat. Maybe she's moved so often because the council only had short term places to live in. Whilst the council does have a duty to house people, they often don't have enough houses! The funding for the building of council houses was stopped by central government after "right to buy" came in. Prior to this - From 1945 to the late 70's - councils built more houses than the private sector. So many were bought up, then no replacements built and plenty demolished, so housing is now short. |
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‘I remember the cold bloody winter sitting in a flat with no heating, the Christmas Day spent by myself because I realised my son would have a better time at his father’s than in a freezing cold flat with no tree and no presents — as I lay on my sofa without him and sobbed, alone.’
As a single mother, she was claiming benefits, but made no secret of the fact she thought the money she received from the government paltry, and says she sold her son’s belongings to make ends meet. ‘Johnny’s toys, that was quite hard, to see all the things I’d chosen for him go. I had to tell him that Mummy had had a tidy-up,’ she says. No matter how many assumptions I might make, STUDYFORM, can you really believe that it was necessary to sell her son't toys to make ends meet? And now we find out that the child spent time with his father, further easing her 'burden'. And of course the father would have had to make contributions to his son't upkeep. I just find it difficult to believe a decent mother would not have had money to feed her child at christmas and save enough to buy some toys. Millions of other single mothers on benefits do. She makes a good living at being a 'poverty campaigner'. |
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And the bit about the 'freezing cold flat' is rubbish. Energy providers cannot cut off where vulnerable i.e children are present. She can also get a crisis loan and pay back without interest. She could also go to a food bank.
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sounds fun
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Capt F, she gets, as a single mother almost the same as a couple where the man works in a poor paying job. I don't see any of them saying their children go hungry and they can't buy them presents at christmas.
She has made a nice living out of saying how poor she was when she was on benefits. I don't see how the government could have given her any more money as then she would be 'earning' more than someone in a job working forty hours a week. |
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Are you trying, annie, to make the point that; there is no poverty? Because you don't see it personally, doesn't mean there isn't there, you know.
I keep saying. Not necessarily about THIS woman. But that there are millions of people in this country who are ignored, have no voice, are unnoticed and were it not for charities, would be starving. Plenty are very hungry and cannot afford bills of any type and it's bad enough for people with kids, but even worse for those without. It wasn't all that long ago I was selling my belongs to raise some cash just to afford necessities and I have more than £90 a week coming in. So all that's happening on this thread is some of us are saying "how awful, it's hard to be in poverty" and some of us are saying "there's no poverty". Which means it'll go on for ever. |
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I just don't believe that there are millions of people sitting in freezing flats with no food, not in britain. Yes they might find it difficult budgeting but can we really give people more or the same as people who have to work forty hours a week and spend extra hours each day commuting?
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Why didn't you just ask that question at the start, annie?
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prob not millions no
but possibbly 1000.s |
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Well, on that basis, we reach an impasse. You don't believe it so it ain't happening. I maintain it is. In the millions - or we wouldn't have food banks.
The problem isn't that we "give people more" it's that worker's wages are too low. No-one has enough. Austerity doesn't affect the people who maintain it. All the poorest people in this country don't get enough. The proportion of expendable income for everyone but the richest is the lowest it's been in modern times. |
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We should not increase benefits, they should be reduced to below the level of the lowest wage. Increase wages? no, wages must rise or fall as a natural consequence of the economy of the country. If you try to artificially set a level for wages, by introducing a minimum wage for example then you make people poorer not richer
also studyform the fact that there are food banks does not mean that there are millions of people in Britain sitting in freezing flats with no food, that is just another idiotic thing that you seem to believe, without any facts or evidence or indeed even common sense |
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I'm not going to attempt reasoning with you any further, lfc.
I have plenty of facts and evidence. I don't need to prove anything to you. You basically (and I mean basically) type snippets of stupidity. and, I think you're a bellend. |
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you don't have any facts or proof do you studyform ? :)
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