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Jomo - apologies. I haven't read the whole blog. I was discussing annie's original post where the child requests bread and jam (50P's worth perhaps??) and the parent implies there's no money left.
I'm not convinced that this person is unable to give the child breakfast given that it costs so little. |
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Maybe the sentence (in the OP) shouldn't be taken quite so literally?
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Loads of people are really struggling. We paid something like three quarters of the cost for someone's boiler to be fixed because they couldn't afford to fix it themselves and their son has cystic fibrosis. We arranged for it to be fixed and lied to them about how much it cost. A boiler breaking down is all it takes for some people to put them in financial difficulty.
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Indeed, Clydebank.
And, if you hadn't, the outcome could have been awful. Poverty, as I keep saying, is relative. |
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Injera... ok. But can you really contemplate the fact that someone on £90 a week, with a kid, in the UK, could run out of money to buy food at some point?
Redundancy. No-fault evictions. Daddy been touching them up so ran away from home. Can't get credit for a cot or something so go to a loan shark - there's a whole host of situations why people in the UK would get to the point of not being able to afford food. Googling food banks or standing outside Cash Converters/the own-brand Weetabix aisle at Tesco would enlighten you more than I ever could. In this specific example, tho, it appears annie's exposed a benefits fraud - the Dad's got an MBE. Case closed. |
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surprised at annie
no fun been skint  |
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£90 a week with a child
some on here lose that per hour |
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Obesity in this country is at it's highest ever levels.
A nonsense to talk about widespread poverty. |
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Being skint can't be fun Capt_F and it's a long time since I was in that position.
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Simply, the system doesn't work. It is success for a very few and the rest of the heap struggle on like mugs propping up the whole facade. It has always been like it. That is your system.
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Visit a country like Cambodia (amazing place and people)
if you want to see real poverty, parents sending out kids at 5 or 6to go begging and sell tourist stuff to try and earn $5 a day, which is very good money. Average yearly wage only $1,200 -$1,600. Then those spending all benefits on choc bars, mcdonalds etc might not claim true poverty. |
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Jomo - that depends. What's left to pay for with the £90?
We all know of people who are doing very nicely on benefits. Flats/houses, cars in some cases. I know of a pensioner who owns her own house but the council paid for a new boiler as she was on pension credits. Around here there are many single mums all housed, fed and watered. We're a fantastically generous country but of course some fall through the net. I would love to help those who seriously need a few quid for the basics. |
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I don't know of any of these people "who are doing very nicely on benefits" hard to imagine anyone could live well on £90pw, might be able to manage a month or so if you're only buying food but most peole have other living expenses to eventually pay for. And isn't benefit capped at £23K for a couple so that'd hardly be 'very nicely' in many peoples books.
Sure there are a few rotten apples who'll milk the system for all they can get but you'll find those sort in all walks of life and the ones in the city can milk hell of a lot more than £23K a year out of the system. Sadly the poor and working classes are always their own enemy looking for someone lower down the ladder to mock so they can feel superior, all egged on by the likes of the Daily Mail and Channel 5 so they can reinforce stereotypes to the masses with cheap TV programs. |
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Well said Joe, although this lot are all Mail fans.
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The majority of benefits are claimed by those in work....they call them working tax credits...makes it sound a little better don't it.
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I don't know any of these people either, Ghetto Joe.
They are just occasional stories made for cheap journalism, they are the exception rather than the rule. I've been saying this for years. You are dead right about the superiority thing. But we never see the really poor people. The ones who don't spend their benefits (IF THEY GET ANY) on McDonalds and choc bars. No it isn't Cambodia, nor is it most of Africa or Asia which are poor. The UK is supposed to be a 1st world country. So, it's all relative There is plenty of poverty. Just because there is widespread obesity doesn't mean there isn't. A strange parallel to have made imo. |
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Well said Ghetto Joe
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Wish I had 23k a year.............suppose I could but that would mean getting a job
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The welfare bill is £264 Billion...How much higher do peeps want it to be???
The £23k cap is of course net. So 27k ish gross. And it's also for doing nowt. |
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There's millions in unclaimed benefits as well!!
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Studyform, I have nothing against welfare or benefits.
Quite the opposite I thinks its hugely important. Maybe those who have paid taxes for years and fall on hard times should get more than lets say people who have never looked for a job in their whole lives. And no benefits to anyone coming to the UK without 5 years of work and tax paid. That would deter the wrong type of immigration and promote positive immigration of the type of people we would gladly welcome into the country. Even when out of work start on x amount and every 6 months the amount falls so as to encourage going back to work. Jail sentences should be given for those who abuse the system to deter others from stealing from the system. The current system isn't right, and the money should be distributed much more fairly. |
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Just recently got letter how my tax was spent and how much I paid (2016-2017 tax year)
The figures show your employers amount of National Insurance contributions, but are not inc in the figures of "your" tax. The highest amount was Welfare, which I don't begrudge, but knowing how much is wasted and conned does irk a little. Again national debt interest seems high and that should definitely be reduced, as its the 4th biggest take out of your tax! Even more than defence! |
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Most of the welfare bill goes on pensions
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no pensions was 2nd on the list, so is a separate entity
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3rd on list sorry
health was 2nd most |
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Injera,
The welfare bill is not just benefits. In fact out of work benefits form only a little piece of it. Pensions is top, then the healthcare not attributed to the NHS, (carers, disabled people, etc). |
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You are wrong Studyform
the list is: 1/Welfare 2/Health 3/State Pensions 4/Education 5/National Debt 6/Defence 7/Public order and safety 8/Transport 9/Business and Industry 10/ Govt administration 11/Culture eg sports, libraries, museums 12/Enviroment 13/Housing and utilities eg street lights 14/Overseas aid 15/UK contribution to EU That list is according to HM Revenue and Customs |
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I looked at a breakdown of Welfare alone. On fact check.
Admittedly it was a couple of years old, so doubtless the benefits part is reduced by now. |
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no that is total government spending, this is about DWP spending which pensions is top
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I'm talking about the part of welfare which constitutes benefits.
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i knoW SF , im trying to answer maleuk
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So was I
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btw the national debt aspect SHOULD be reduced. Problem is, the national debt keeps increasing
https://fullfact.org/economy/guide-economy-debt/ Fullfact is a brilliant site - independent and non-political. |
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You are going to have to work until you are 80 to fund this reckless spending, good you deserve it
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Its a giant Ponzi scheme, started by Bevin not Madoff
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nobody works , that is the problem, there are millions on state benefits and thre are millions who don't leave school until their mid twenties or later
the system needs people to be starting work at least 10 years earlier, 16 and working for at least 50 years, not skiving! |
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Not even worth replying with anything sensible.
You need to check some facts, lfc. |
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that's a pity, I love and honour facts. Here,s a fact for you
We,re broke |
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well we have run out of money a long time ago, and printed more
Well that makes us all poorer, and sooner than you think we are going to have to pay it back |