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By:
DenzilPenberthy
When: 21 Feb 18 15:41
Cut foreign aid!!!! Spend it on our own!!!!!!

Hard to disagree with that john92 I think it'd be a pretty long thread if you posted those words as a title
By:
lfc1971
When: 21 Feb 18 15:41
of course not, we were all poor once for heavens sake
By:
DenzilPenberthy
When: 21 Feb 18 15:43
I don't know if this is a coincidence but I had alot more secs when I was poor Happy
By:
Injera
When: 21 Feb 18 15:45
Would anyone on here disagreee with 50p being enough for a breakfast for a child?

Porridge = 25p top whack or

Scrambled eggs (2) on toast = 50p or

4 slices of toast, butter and jam = 40p
By:
lfc1971
When: 21 Feb 18 15:46
of course and a little bit of love, that's all anyone needs
By:
lfc1971
When: 21 Feb 18 15:51
well when most of us were young we had no proper coat and ran out in the rain and the snow
By:
lfc1971
When: 21 Feb 18 15:52
wonderful, poverty doesn't worry me
By:
lfc1971
When: 21 Feb 18 16:04
did other people in other towns live any better?
I doubt it
By:
lfc1971
When: 21 Feb 18 16:12
this should be our goal for Britain, leave school at 15 or 16, be able to get a secure job and to be able to leave home at 17 at the latest
that should be the norm for 99% of our young people, and that would be a happier society and solve many problems.
By:
lfc1971
When: 21 Feb 18 16:18
close down 90% of universities and keep libraries open, I like libraries
By:
lfc1971
When: 21 Feb 18 16:31
there is nothing worse than being a poor, young unemployed person
but this is allowed to continue year after year after year, its madness
By:
lfc1971
When: 21 Feb 18 16:43
While there is a single person unemployed in Britain, there should be no immigration into Britain
By:
jamesdean
When: 21 Feb 18 17:07
Embarrassing ^
By:
houseofpain
When: 21 Feb 18 17:12
Why are they unemployed, went shopping with mrs yesterday, must have seen half a dozen shops with vacancies.
By:
lfc1971
When: 21 Feb 18 17:12
theres another selfish individual who doesn't care about the poor, how reprehensible
By:
lfc1971
When: 21 Feb 18 17:13
*jamesdean, just in case he doesn't recognise himself
By:
FOYLESWAR
When: 21 Feb 18 17:15
some familys are in poverty with the husband working and the wife looking after the young kids ,rents are sky high in london  and if the husband has a low paid job there is precious little left after rent,electricity, gas ,water, food and other exes .
By:
lfc1971
When: 21 Feb 18 17:16
nope
By:
lfc1971
When: 21 Feb 18 17:17
no one living in London is in poverty
By:
FOYLESWAR
When: 21 Feb 18 17:19
really o.k thanks !
By:
jamesdean
When: 21 Feb 18 17:39
You're only in poverty if you're on rations and 8 to a bedroom, toilet outside shared by 16 flats, Foyles.
Loaded if you happen to own a mobile phone and smoke the odd rollie up these days..
By:
Injera
When: 21 Feb 18 17:41
james: cost of brekky? 50p I reckon. You?
By:
JOMO
When: 21 Feb 18 17:55
Injera... the person annie's quoting went on to make a bit of *ahem* dough - initially through doing a blog about feeding her and the kid for £10 a week, so not a particular problem with budgeting or prioritising money - the point they were trying to make is that, on the benefits she was on at the time, there were times she didn't have 94p for bread and jam from Tesco.

If her and the kid were on the £90+ annie surmises, the great brains of chit chat could easily put together a budget that would cover all the basics that would prevent absolute poverty in something approaching its truest sense ie. food, water, clothing and shelter (which, in this country, would come with built-in sanitation provision).

Imo, though, I don't think you can compare what poverty means in Africa to what it means in Britain. In Britain, society wants those benefit scroungers to get off their fat, processed Weetabix-filled erses and go get a job, right? For that they'll probably need a suit. And get there and back to the job interview. And if they get the job they'll have to find the travel money to get there and back five times a week before the first wages drops. Things like this might sound like complete non-blockers to many reading this, but if you expect someone on £90 a week, with a kid, in the UK, to not have money issues that means they might not be able to feed themselves at points, then you're just ignorant.

The bottom line is that poverty in the UK obviously cannot be compared to poverty in Africa. So what annie's doing in questioning someone in the UK saying they're in poverty is just semantics.

How about if we agree that you can only be in poverty if you have to walk 20 miles to the Weetabix shop... is that a win/win for everyone? Mischief
By:
STUDYFORM
When: 21 Feb 18 19:34

Feb 21, 2018 -- 8:18AM, lfc1971 wrote:


what a load of nonsense, no one in this country is in poverty, no one is cold, no one is hungry, everyone has free education, everyone has free health care, everyone has the greatest opportunities and freedoms of any people in any country at any other time in historyThey and people like studyform should pipe down and stop whining and say a little prayer of thanks, silly fools


LFC you are clueless.
The biggest load of nonsense is pretty much everything you type.

You type with the highest amount of ignorance.
And then let it run away with you.

Only the most selfish of people would write something as stupid as Poverty doesn't bother me.
If you're fishing. Or even if that's an excuse, then it just compounds your idiocy.

As always, with this sort of thread. The poor are confused with the scroungers or career benefits claimants.

Because you don't know anyone who's poor doesn't meant they aren't there.
There are millions of them. With hardly anyone to speak for them.

By:
ufcdan
When: 21 Feb 18 19:35
How come the majority of people who plead poverty and struggle to put food on the table are fat and have fat kids ?
By:
STUDYFORM
When: 21 Feb 18 19:36
They are not the majority!
By:
STUDYFORM
When: 21 Feb 18 19:36
The majority are either alone or sometimes couples.
By:
ufcdan
When: 21 Feb 18 19:38
And fat LaughLaughLaugh
By:
STUDYFORM
When: 21 Feb 18 19:48
The Mail and its followers, many of whom won't have it any other way and post on here say the same sort of thing, dan.

People with no kids who cannot even pay current ridiculous rents, can't afford new clothes or to pay their bills, to stay warm. Or maybe too old to easily get a job, or maybe are unqualified for any, but for any number of reasons aren't wanted.
Victims of illness or caring for others with illness.
Ex-soldiers, ex-miners, ex-anything which has gone really.
The thing is they are not good press, they don't make good telly and they don't get in your way.

So, you don't think they exist much, therefore you don't care.

And there's a whole thread of it.

Me, I'll take the sympathy and trying to help route, rather than the criticising route.

lfc - no-one could be THAT stupid. So you must be a troll.
By:
Injera
When: 21 Feb 18 19:54
I'll ask again. Is 50p enough to feed a child breakfast (see the OP)?
By:
annie.
When: 21 Feb 18 19:54
Reacting on the blog, Monroe said: "I took exception to the Conservatives holding me up as some kind of role model because, it was their policies that left me hungry, cold, almost homeless, moving house seventeen times with a child under my arm."

Monroe challenged the original tweeter to live on just £10 a week for three weeks running, but added: "You won't even start to experience the daily grind of living in poverty.

"Poverty isn't just having no heating, or not quite enough food, or unplugging your fridge and turning your hot water off.


Her father has an MBE and was a fireman for thirty years and her mother was an ex nurse and she has three siblings - what they didn't help their daughter and grandchild when they had no heating, no hot water, no food?  I can't see it myself.  She was also on £27000  a year when she left to have a baby. 

In all my life I have never met anyone who has lived like she says she has, but I have met loads who abuse the system.
By:
STUDYFORM
When: 21 Feb 18 20:06
As I say annie. They don't go out much.

It doesn't mean they don't exist.

All you EVER see is assumptions about how other people live and how there are no people in poverty, because "I don't know any and refuse to believe it".

Fundamentally. you've found a story and chosen not to believe it.
I should imagine you choose to believe several, but not this because it doesn't fit in with your core beliefs.

Watch Panorama at 8.30.
See if it shows anything you don't believe.
fwiw, In all MY life I've met several, as well as some who've abused the system.
By:
JOMO
When: 21 Feb 18 20:08
Injera... yes. Now can you put round peg in round hole before daddy get back from worky worky?
By:
Injera
When: 21 Feb 18 20:37
Study and any others on here who personally know 5 families who can't afford to feed their kids:

Give me details and I'll personally pay their food bills for a month.
By:
STUDYFORM
When: 21 Feb 18 20:48
Don't make glib statements, my son works with these people.
People who are at the behest of G4S in a hostel, with 2 mealtimes a day (miss them, don't eat), no TV's, no school, curfew.
And they're all over the country.
G4S makes it's profit though.
By:
Injera
When: 21 Feb 18 20:50
Ok, let's meet up Study. You can bring details of 5 families and if they can't pay their food bills I will do so for 4 weeks.

Agreed?
By:
STUDYFORM
When: 21 Feb 18 20:54
In this country, (compared to most DEVELOPED nations) we have the smallest living spaces, the highest rents, the highest travel costs, highest utility bills, one of the meanest benefits systems (I'm not talking about chav scroungers), drink and cigarettes and fuel are most expensive.

Wages aren't anywhere near the highest.

I reckon most people are just one wage packet away from bankruptcy.

I've met some of these people through my son Injera. I will genuinely enquire as to their absolute position and if they cannot afford dinner, I'll let you know.

If they CAN, I still wouldn't say they're not in what, most of us should consider to be, poverty
By:
STUDYFORM
When: 21 Feb 18 21:10
btw, when I say my son works with them, he volunteers and not through a charity. Only G4S and charities get any money.
By:
Injera
When: 21 Feb 18 21:38
Fair enough. Let me know. It's a genuine offer.
By:
JOMO
When: 21 Feb 18 21:52
Injera... I've now responded to your 50p-breakfast question twice. The first time I politely suggested that it is an utterly irrelevant question - even the blogger is saying that two can be fed for a week off a tenner (that's less than 50p per meal, btw).

Because you ignored that and went instead for "I'll ask again" toddler-esque petulance, I gave you a straight yes/no answer.

Now that I've given you the asnwer you were dying to know (in fact, I'll go so far as to say you can get own-brand Weetabix for 6p each) are you going to tell us what you are trying to argue? Is it that someone who has very publically said they've made meals for 20p meals says they can't make a meal for 50p?
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