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Dr Crippen
When: 19 Jul 17 17:40
It's amazing how we've all been led up the garden path over fat in our diets.

Before we went fat-free mad and replaced fat with carbs and sugar most people were slim.
Then a dubious report was published about fat clogging up our arteries and the world took note and ditched the fat for sugar and carbs.
We only have to look around at people to see the disaster that advice has been, and now the tests that advice were based on are under the cosh.
Of course the greatest danger to eating too many carbs and sugar is diabetes. It's no wonder everyone is getting it.
There are now studies showing that carbs and sugar are responsible for bad cholesterol and not fat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fL5-9ZxamXc

About 24 minutes in, although I suggest anyone interested listens to the whole lecture.

According to that and many others like it, sugar and carbohydrates are the real dangers to health not fat.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 19 Jul 17 17:46
More strong reasoning here that fat is not the culprit in the real cause of heart attacks. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6SVB99mJHA
By:
Mr.Anderson
When: 19 Jul 17 20:02
Short-term weight loss is easy. Thousands of diets work well in the first year. Low-fat, high-fat, low-carb, grapefruit, M&M etc. Long-term weight loss is hard or even very hard. Stupid thing is that almost all scientific studies are short-term. Almost none of them have a duration of more than 18 months, so are completely pointless. Any professor who conducts a weight-loss study with a duration of less than 36 months should lose his/her academic title imo.

Anyway, happy to share with you how I have achieved long-term weight-loss... The thing which some of you might find annoying is that it was completely unintentional. I've never tried to lose weight. Once upon a time, more than 10 years ago, I had a BMI of 25 (borderline overweight). Now I have a BMI of 19 (borderline underweight). It appears there are no health benefits whatsoever for going from a BMI of 25 to 19, but it's nevertheless a quite substantial weight-loss.

Change#1: I stopped drinking sweet drinks (including fruit juice and artficially sweetened drinks, which are just as bad), and eating candy. I did this for dental reasons, not because I wanted to lose weight. It did however result in a substantial weight-loss, and that weight has stayed off ever since.

Change#2: A couple of years later I went vegetarian. Then I lost a bit more weight, and that weight has also stayed off.

Note that both changes I made have been permament, at least so far. I still don't drink sweet drinks, eat candy or animals. Everyone knows that sweet drinks including artificially sweetened drinks are associated with obesity right? So not much to say about that. On average vegetarians weigh a bit less than omnivores (and vegans even less), so maybe not surprising that I lost a bit weight when I gave up meat as well. A few things to note about my vegetarian diet: It's high in fiber (fruit, vegetables, legumes), and out of necessity I do much more cooking from scratch than what I did before. Eating lots of fiber is associated with lower body-weight, and lots of cooking from scratch means less highly processed crap, and you don't necessarily have to give up meat to make those changes. (In the unlikely event that I convince someone to go vegetarian - make sure you don't become deficient in vitamin B12! That happened to me, but it was discovered in a blood test before I noticed any seriously bad effects.)

Personally I think you should think about permanent healthy lifestyle changes that you can stick with if you want long-term results. Sad that there's so much conflicting advice about what's healthy. (Maybe take a look at what they eat in places where obesity isn't a big problem?) Better with small changes you can stick with than drastic changes that you find intolerable in the long run.

I wish you long-term success Zorro, and everyone else who is trying to lose weight!
By:
zorrostrikes
When: 19 Jul 17 21:01
guy in lecture said if you eat wrong... the body wraps the toxins
in fat and stores it away. if it's a natural food it can deal with it.
use it to build muscle and bone etc.
when you do burn fat in a diet you release the stored toxic stuff, and
you feel lousy - that's why diets usually fail. ?
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 20 Jul 17 11:12
ufcdan, well done.

You'd better believe what you did was correct, and that carbs and sugar are the killers as far as diabetes is concerned.

Remember insulin resistance is what Stage 2 diabetes is all about.
Diabetics have to produce more and more insulin because it isn't doing its job and the blood sugar remains high.
Simply giving patients medication to bring down blood sugar simply makes the condition worse if they continue eating carbs and sugar.
Which can lead to full blown Stage 1 diabetes.

Fat does not trigger insulin. Yes that is correct, eat as much as you like.

So simply cut out the carbs and sugar and your blood sugar count comes down.

Why isn't this information given out by GPs?
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 20 Jul 17 11:33
The answer is that they're controlled by the pharmaceuticals and there's no profit in curing people.
Producing drugs that manage health conditions are the perfect business. You never lose your customers.
Except when they die.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 20 Jul 17 11:44
So simply cut out the carbs and sugar and your blood sugar count comes down.

And as far as this thread is concerned - your weight will come tumbling down as well.
By:
Jack Hacksaw
When: 20 Jul 17 11:55
i'd reiterate what Mr A says...

Don't start or try and 'diet' that you can't see yourself continuing for the rest of your life.

And, have a look at what fat people have in their supermarket trolleys and have a look at what slim people have in their supermarket baskets.

Laugh
By:
pxb
When: 20 Jul 17 12:24
I'm making lamb curry with potatos and cauliflower. 2 of my favourite vegetables. That's about all you need to know. Cook stuff you like.
By:
ufcdan
When: 20 Jul 17 13:07
Watched that Eat,Shop,Save on ITV the other night. Fussy 8 year old wouldn't eat veg but loved curry. Expert cooked a curry sauce using sweet potatoes as the base. I gave it ago, the whole family liked it including my 24 year old fussy eater step son Mischief
By:
Jack Hacksaw
When: 20 Jul 17 14:33
Also, portion size.

Hardly hear anything about it.
By:
zorrostrikes
When: 20 Jul 17 20:12
i have a nephew who never eats eggs?
I think it's mad, as french toast(eggy bread) is my favourite thing.
with bacon and hp, it's a gluttony thing.

some egg gets past him, as his mom makes fried fish with breading and egg is used
to stick the breading. mayo has egg too.

It's nuts how people develop aversions to certain foods.

i hate garden peas but would eat them to be polite.

i've never ate sushi as i don't want parasites.
and the fish is coming from Asia?
By:
Jack Hacksaw
When: 20 Jul 17 20:26
Well, I just had smoked haddock a few small potatoes and some frozen veg.  Did I enjoy it?  Not the veg.

A bit peckish again now but tomorrow is another day.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 21 Jul 17 11:54
Nature has played a dirty trick  on humans, all the stuff we hardly need like sugar and carbs tastes great and we crave it. While veg which we do need and does us good tastes bland and gets left on our plates.
Or boiled to death so there's nothing left except mush.
By:
Jack Hacksaw
When: 21 Jul 17 19:02
I am all for Al Dente.

Got all his albums.
By:
Foinavon
When: 21 Jul 17 19:24
Lots of people have food aversions, Zorro. I never drink milk or eat butter and am none the worse for it. Milk is fatty and sweet and could be from where the love of sweetened fatty foods like chocolate and cake originated. I don't eat those either.
I don't think it essential to eat a lot of green leafy food if one compensates with plenty of fruit. Personally I love cabbage and root vegetables as well as all types of fruit.
By:
CLYDEBANK29
When: 22 Jul 17 11:00
Losing weight is a mental challenge.  The physical solution is simple.  Eat a better diet (more protein, fruit and veg, less sugar, fat and carbs) and exercise more.

I'd advise trying ostrich fillet.  It's expensive at £20 a kilo, but it's only 2% fat and super filling.  After a nice steak it's my second favourite meat.  It's particularly nice with fries, but you can just cook it with onions and salad and swerve the fries.  You'll be amazed how filling it is and there is no waste, so even though it's expensive you don't need that much.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 22 Jul 17 12:19
but it's only 2% fat

Why does the fat content matter?
By:
CLYDEBANK29
When: 22 Jul 17 13:33
because the leaner the cut of meat the more weight you will lose / the less weight you will gain.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 22 Jul 17 13:52
That's incorrect CLYDEBANK.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 22 Jul 17 13:54
I've dug a video out that explains it here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1Z9ObBmRxE
By:
zorrostrikes
When: 23 Jul 17 21:50
i tried Ostrich steaks last week in Tesco -
prefer beef steak. It was precooked, just a two
minute reheat. like turkey beef.?

static this week - nothing lost?
very disappointed.
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