Don't know if the story had a title
Just that believers thought killer animals only kill because of the results of sin that Eve and Adam did.

Since nothing killed before it.
Lions like lambs ffs.

Clearly didn't need food either back in those days, no need for teeth, probs everything ate grass I suppose?

Isaiah 11:6

The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.

your teacher misquoted this passage. Many Christians who learn by ear? from TV or from somewhere. get it wrong saying the lion will lay down with the lamb.

It wasn't prophesying about what would happen,it was referring to the time before sin.
Tbh even as a kid I switched off because it's illogical.

This free will bollox, you know the extent of risk taking is relative to the bacteria that's present in the gut.
Did you know that?
The greater the amount of bacteria the less risk is taken by the human.
There's a link, just as in toxoplasmosis, where the mind is influenced by what is present in the gut.

It completely blows religious free will out the water.

Because I'm tired....there's another cause and effect right there

I'm certainly not going to now u loon
I'll look tomorrow
I'm away now

I do not quote from Dawkins, Zorro, my thoughts expressed on here are my own. If I do quote from another then the source is acknowledged on here at the end of the quote. Unlike you, I do not cut and paste nonsense from disreputable websites.

The question of free will is a deep philosophical question and logically is dependent on whether the universe is deterministic or not.
What is your view, zorro, have you even considered it other than parrot the Christian dogma?

Pastafarianism is a widely known pi$$ take on religion. I did not learn of it from Dawkins.
The same with Russell's orbiting teapot which is a precursor of Flying Spaghetti Monster. I do not limit my reading to just one book.

I'm off to bed now, the thread is yours. Talk to yourself into the small hours as you usually do.

I'm never alone. Got God to talk to and i hear him when I read the bible.

Just think of all those creatures you have directly killed without knowing through your life, insects spiders etc
And all the lives you took indirectly in fuelling your own
Then consider the manipulation forced on you from outside desire of others, of religion and from inside from parasites.
Think of those with vested power shaping society to their choosing, greed that effected others lives
Think of the sex offenders that pedal faith
Think of the testing of moral and ethics and of 'faith' and the abandonment.

You suggest you have a choice between life and death
Then like nietzsche in will to knowledge from beyond good and evil, I chose death.

I'll let you dream up a phantasy where you roll around with lions sucking your toes and sit at the throne of the willo the whisp

For the counter to all that, take a look at quantum mechanics. We may one day make a physicist out of you, zorro.

Dustybin says - I'll let you dream up a phantasy where you roll around with lions sucking your toes and sit at the throne of the willo the whisp

1 Corinthians 2:9 says -  However, as it is written: “What no eye has seen,
what no ear has heard, and what no human mind has conceived” the things God
has prepared for those who love him

No human mind can imagine what God has prepared for us in heaven.
The universe is a nothing. a scroll to be thrown away. You have some
caricature in your head that God is an old geezer with a flowing white
beard or he looks like Morgan Freeman. Fkin dull mindset. What is that?
masonic boring crap? rejiggered BS from HolyWOOD.

There is 7.5 billion on the planet and none of them can imagine what God
has created for the faithful... remember we are living for eternity, it's not
going to be constrained or boring. What will be boring is a black empty pit.
your choice. Your free choice. God doesn't damn you. you damn yourself.

I told you it is the Mice. Now p!ss off and do something useful.

It does show the damage alcohol and drugs can do to a person.

when there is a gap between the making of monies

This is the real world not phantasy.

5777 - 5778
Hebrew Language is an old language going back to pictographs,
images that have meanings, like Egyptian.

5 means grace
7 means completion
777 means christ
8 means a new beginning

5777 means the end of Grace, completion.
5778 moving from the grace covenant to the new covenant.

Again this is one small thing. It's the 70th year since Israel became a nation.
50 year anniversary of Jerusalem returning to Israel. (two prophetic events)
the sanhedrin has reformed after almost 2000 yrs.

the star sign up above ending on the gap between 5777 and 5778

There is more than a hundred coincidences reinforcing this year, either it's the starting pistol, or it's aimed directly at the heart. I believe it will kick off with the rapture. A lot of people think this.

You think hell is a joke, a fantasy? something to experience like a toothache.
it's a gnashing of teeth, it's complete separation of God from that part of creation that does not want him. God is sustaining everyone till the last day. You don't even know it. You'll be a screaming banshee without God to support you. A mental case rattling about a black hole. enjoy.

The similarities between football supporters and defenders of the faith are not accidental as both types of allegiance are tribal in nature.

As a gambler, you must realize what Chuck is describing is impossible for jewish scholars of the first century to create. It's impossible to do now for supercomputers. It's just impossible. 7x7x7x7x7x7x7x7x7x7x7x7x7x7x7x7x7x7x7x7x7x7x7x7x7....... on and on.
what other book does this... can you find one.
why would they do it?
did they know they were doing it?

I believed by faith for the last 25 years but only in the last two did I come across
this stuff below. I was just oblivious to it. I expected to see Jesus when I died in the fullness of time. like most Christians.
Something is coming....

2017. It’s 500 years exactly since the Turks (ottoman empire) took control of the holy land. 1517 to 1917.(eight jubilee cycles under their control)

It’s  the 500th anniversary year of the protestant church, the reformation. Martin Luther’s declaration of intent.

2017. the last jubilee was within the Jewish year sept1966 to sept 1967.
The six day war and recovery of Jerusalem. Returned to Israel.

September 21 – international day of peace.

2017 – it’s 70 years since Israel became a nation, UN mandate Nov 1947,  1948.

It’s a jubilee year – oct 1st 2016 to sept 21st 2017, Jewish calendar.

2017 – 100 years from the Balfour declaration, letter to Rothschild.

2017 – 100 years since the British took the holy land from the Turks, general Allenby is associated with a miracle that made it a bloodless victory, when the town surrendered. Allenby walked into Jerusalem, dismounting from his horse. Referencing Jesus entry on a donkey/ass.

1977 – 2017 – anniversary of 1977 Palestine conflict – 40 years.

2017 – 120 years from the Jewish national congress.

In a jubilee year – all debts are cancelled. The land is returned, slaves released, sins forgiven.

500 year anniversary of the Protestant reformation – Martin Luther. 1517 AD.

Super moon November 16-20th 2016.. Jupiter enters Virgo on 17th – leaves 23rd Sept 2017.. new Jewish Year begins Sept 21st 2017(5778)

1,260 days before Revelation 12 sign, series of four blood red moons on Sabbath days – 2015 AD.

The star sign is not just Jupiter in Virgo – it’s the sun, moon, mars, venus, mercury and other heavenly bodies. A non-repeatable event.

1,948 bc – Abraham covenant  - Israel 1948 AD. 2018 new covenant.

70 th anniversary of the dead sea scrolls being found.

120 jubilees from Adam. 70 jubilees from Canaan. 40 jubilees from Jesus.

5777 – means Grace and completion(777 means Christ)

2017 – peace and safety, international day of peace.

70th jubilee from exodus.

6000 years plus 1000 years = 7000 years total

psalms – a generation is seventy years.

2015 + 2016 – the SanHedrin reformed, they blow the shofar from Sept 21st, - Rosh Hashana ,1,946 years gap. The shofar is a trumpet, blown on the feast of trumpets.

September 21st – Nehemiah 8 – great assembly

70 ad Rome destroys Israel using Syrian soldiers, 1,947 years .
2017----5777.

Sir Isaac Newton and Jonathen Edwards – 2016 start if Tribulation, Oct2016-se23 2017. UN resolution against Israel December 2016. vote to separate Jerusalem from Israel.


Did Mark Chiswell complete an in depth analysis of the 23 September 2017 Heavenly Sign.  checking seven thousand years to find no comparable event, checking 6,200 years into the past and 1,200 years into the future which is equivalent to Man's entire History to prove it has never occurred before nor will it ever again?
Yes, he did.

THE MOON REGULARLY PASSES VIA VIRGO BUT PASSES AT THE FEET OF VIRGO ONLY ONCE EVERY 19 YEARS JUPITER PASSES VIA THE CONSTELLATION ONCE EVERY 12 YEARS. BUT ONLY ONCE EVERY 83 YEARS IS IT INSIDE THE WOMB FOR 42 WEEKS.

THE SUN ONLY MOVES THROUGH VIRGO ONCE EVERY YEAR
IT IS RARE THE WANDERING STARS MERCURY MARS AND VENUS ALIGN ON 9/23/17 THEY ARE IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE KING STAR REGULUS
THIS SIGN IS THE FULFILLMENT OF JOHN'S VISION IN REVELATION 12.

Is it fact that the 11/29/47 UN Partition of Palestine to 11/27/2024 on our timeline = 77 years exact?  For an absolute fact it is.

Only 2 remaining unfulfilled feasts, Trumpets & Atonement are fulfilled in exact coorelation to the number of days given Daniel by the angel Gabriel.

Our timeline BEGINS EXACTLY on the beginning of the new Jewish year 5778.

5778/Rosh Hashana/Feast of Trumpets/Revelation 12 Sign Alignment/Jesus Birth Month.


From the Solar Eclipse on Feast of Trumpets Sept 13,2015 to Sept 13, 2024 (Second Coming date on our Alpha to Omega Timeline)  9 Years Exact.

Balfour Declaration to now  = 100 yrs exact.

Aug 21 2017 Solar eclipse to the beginning of the tribulation 10/ 20/17 on our timeline: 60 days.

Eclipse August 21, 2017 forward 33 days to the Rev 12 Sign.

40 days from the Aug 21, 2017 eclipse to Atonement.

Beginning of year 5778  21st of Sept 2017 to the exact time of the Rev 12 Sign alignment = 40 hours.

Jesus returns to establish His Kingdom ON THE VERY DAY of the anniversary of which the UN broke ground to establish THEIRS. September 14, 1948.

Daniel was deported in 598BC. From 598 BC to 2017 is 2,615 years. There are 2,615 days from 9/30/17 Day of Atonement to 11/27/24 The Blessed day on our timeline.

On 23rd Sept 1990 Saddam said he would destroy Israel ON THAT DATE.

101 years now since the creation of Planned Parenthood.

On Sept 22 1991 the California University made the Dead Sea Scrolls public. Forward 26 years to Sept 22, 2017.

Exactly 100 years ago TO THE DAY, from when Trump launched an attack against Syria April 7, 2017, America entered the first world war, on April 7th, 1917. He also launched that attack 77 days into his presidency.

The 25th day of the 9th month is the start of Hanukkah. So the "Blessed Day" is the day before the start of Hanukkah.

6000 years-7000 years,  Agenda of God.
Johannes Kepler, founder modern astronomy determined 2024 is year 6000 since creation in 3977 BC. Our conclusions are in harmony with Kepler's findings and his laws.
Parable of fig tree. 1948 Israel reborn- Psalm 90. Generation = 70 years.
Israel 70 in 2018. Abraham born 1948 years after creation. Received covenant 2018 years after creation.
1st Zionist Congress 1897-2017 = 120 year generation.
1967 Jerusalem retaken + 50 years (Jubilee) = 2017.
Sept 23, 1950 » The Knesset passes a resolution that states Jerusalem is the capital of Israel.
1948 Israel reborn + 70 years = 2018.
120th jubilee since Adam. 70th since Canaan.  40th since Christ's death.
Why would the alignment just happen to occur fulfilling the Revelation 12 sign in the heavens only hours from the new Hebrew year 5778?
How could Lamech (777) + 5 years (7775) = the flood (water of death), and the numbers be reversed (5778) reveal Water of Life, and this be a coincidence?
How could the Hebrew word YHWH = 2017 and Yahweh = 777 in Jewish Gematria, and the word God in English Gematria = 777, and this be a coincidence?
How could every date on our timeline except one land on a Friday, the last day of the week, with all dates both fulfilling the remaining feasts and having historical significance themselves and this be a coincidence?
How could the 20-30 year repeated cycle of 1897-2017 be a coincidence?
How could the 800 year old Rabinnical prophecy be a coincidence?
How could it be a coincidence that the meanings of the numbers 17-24 actually describe the 7 year tribulation period?
How could the 7 year gap between two major solar eclipses crossing the US in 2017 and 2024, be a coincidence?
Looking through all the failed rapture predictions of the past reveals they did not have near the evidence we have today?
Tishrei 1. Sept 21 rapture date on our timeline. The following occurred:
Adam Eve created. Noah's BD. Sarah conceives Isaac. Isaac blesses Jacob. Rachael conceives Joseph. Joseph released from prison. Pharaoh freed the slaves. Hannah conceives Samuel. David forgiven for Bathesheba sin. Daniel sees vision of judgment.
Jesus ascended. He wasn't harpazoed. So there is no conflict there.
We co reign with him as He rules with a rod of iron. We rule with him.  No conflict there.
The Bethlehem star was Jupiter converging with Regulus in Virgo. Not the Rev 12 sign.  So the Bethlehem Star was not the Rev 12 sign.
When we speak of birth we use the word DELIVERED.  Born once physically. New birth (second birth). Celestial heavenly birth (third and final birth).
Elijah knew he was going to be caught up. Noah knew when the flood was coming.
Matthew 24:36 "day nor the hour" no man knows but the Father has strong and convincing ties to the verse before referring to the creation of the new heavens and new earth.
The Body cannot be divided. or dismembered. The church is not Israel. Nor do church age saints become tribulation saints. Whether we are awake or sleep we will be raptured says Paul.
The only date written out in Jewish gematria, september twenty one, has a value of 2017. No other dates do.
The 30 day gap between the rapture and tribulation is proven to be necessary for numerous reasons. The most obvious being there must be war in heaven before satan is cast out and pursues the woman Israel.
The church is that living sacrifice that has continued which is taken away, requiring 1290 days from the rapture to the abomination of desolation.
September 23, 1932.  The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is Founded.
Israeli casualties during the Six Day War 1967. 777 exact. Six Day War to the present year, 2017, 50 years. A Jubilee.
Beginning date on our timeline, September 21, is the historical date of the Great Assembly (see Nehemiah 8). Oct 20, the beginning of the tribulation our timeline, was the day the modern Knesset laid it's cornerstone, which was patterned after the Great Assembly in Nehemiah 8.
September 21 in history...1451.  Cardinal Nicholas of Cusa orders Jews of Holland to wear a badge.

August 22, 1312 BC, AV 9 on the Hebrew calendar, Moses carves the Second Set of Tablets (out of sapphire aka september) , to the August 21, 2017 solar eclipse, 3328 years exact. 
September 21st 2017. UN International Day of Peace. "When they say peace and safety destruction cometh upon them suddenly as a woman giving birth."
The PATTERN of Abram's birth and Jesus birth BOTH being FOLLOWED BY (not preceded by) a sign in the heavens lends enormous support to a rapture occuring 2 days before the sign which is intended to show Israel what has occurred.
77 days into the tribulation Jupiter and Mars converge in Libra. The scales of justice.
June 1954 Eisenhower Congress puts "under God" in pledge. 70 years from that date brings us to 2024. 7 years after the Jewish year 5777.

Israel recaptured Jerusalem in 1967. Exactly 7 years later in 1974. Ayatollah Khomeini calls for an Islamic Republic in Iran. 7 years from Israel's Rebirth to the rebirth of an Islamic Caliphate.

There are 10,385 Christ return verses in the Bible.

G.H. Pember, an English theologian and author who was affiliated with the Plymouth Brethren, eventually discovered what we have all recently found out and wrote about it in 1914 where he alluded to the Rev 12 Sign as being something other than Jesus being born of Mary and ascending to Heaven in Acts and that the child was the Body of Christ caught up in the Harpazo (Rapture). He just didn't know what a computer was and could have never imagined a software program called Stellarium. Where are theologians like this today?

In the year 1217, an ancient Jewish Rabbi named Samuel  had a vision that outlined history from 1217 to 2017. A Jubilee occurs every 50 years. He said that in his vision Elijah in Heaven told him to add 6 Jubilees (300 years) from 1217, and the world would arrive at the year 1517. The Turks would take Jerusalem. They did. 8 Jubilees later (400 years) and we would arrive at the year 1917. The British would take Jerusalem and set the Jews free. They did. It happened to the day. A British General flies a plane over Jersusalem. The Turks had never seen a plane before. They believed this was a sign from God and fled back to Turkey without firing a single bullet. One Jubilee later (1967) the six day war would occur, and the Jews would take Jerusalem. They did.

The information I’ve been covering may be exhausting but it is by no means exhaustive. My hope is to wet your appetite and encourage you to examine these things for yourself. By taking the time to do so you cannot help but worship the Creator not bound by time,The Alpha and Omega, The beginning and the end, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

Taking the meaning of each star and planet through all cultures for Regulus, Venus, Mars, Mercury, Sun, Spica, Jupiter, and the moon the message is clear. When we put it together we have this:

The King, The Lion of Judah, The Morningstar of Love, The Coming War, The Written Word, The One Who Breathed Life Into Being and Light Into Darkness, Is Gathering the Wheat, The King Is Arriving As Lightning With Grace For His Virgin.

12 TRIBES LEAVE EGYPT-TORAH RECEIVED MT SINAI 2448 HC-5778 HC MINUS 2448 HC = 3330 YEARS. DIVIDE 50 (JUBILEES) INTO 3330 YEARS AND YOU GET 66.6
The 12 Tribes leave Egypt and receive the Torah at Mt Sinai in the year 2448 (Heb Calendar). 5778 (which begins Sept 21, 2017) minus 2448 = 3330. Divide 50 (a Jubilee) into 3330 and you get....66.6. Also if we add 8 (completion) to 3330, the square root of 3338 is 57.77.
King David was born 2854 HC and died 2924 HC. 2854 + 2924 = 5778.
The Washington Monument opened to the public on October 9, 1888. This towering tribute to America’s first president took a century to plan and construct and wasn’t completed until the nation’s 21st president was in office. It stands 555 feet tall.
But...The Washington Monument was dedicated to the Sun God Shamash when construction started. The Washington Monument is 555 { above ground } and 111 feet underground for a total of approximately 666 feet.
555 feet = 6,660 inches.  Some say it's 6,666.6. Either way we have three sixes.
Year 5778 minus year 2448 = 3330 { the weight of the capstone } The weight of the capstone divided by 50 = 66.6.
Jubilee = 50 years
Jubilee is the year at the end of seven cycles of shmita. According to the Torah, observance of Jubilee only applies when the Jewish people live in the land of Israel according to their tribes. So with the exile of the tribes of Reuben, Gad, and Menashe (about 600 BCE) Jubilee has not been applicable.
The capstone of the Washington Monument weighs 3330 pounds. The difference between Torah @ Mt Sinai and 5778. So from the giving of the Torah to Moses on Mount Sinai in the Hebrew year 2448 to the Hebrew year 5778 { 2018 } are exactly 66.6 Jubilee periods.
The Revelation 12 sign is a once in 7000 year event. One divided by 7000=1.428571428571429e-4. Using just the first six figures of the equation we have  1.42857.
(1+4+2)=7. Using the other three numerals from the solution to the equation 8,5,7 and then including the (1+4+2) numeral (7) =  7,8,5 and 7.  Putting them in a different order.....5778.
It is concealed, but there nonetheless.

The number 40 in Scripture – 40 jubilees since Jesus.
(judgment testing probation trial)

April 2, 1981 Christian Militia battles Syrian Army East Lebanon (40 years).
November 26, 1984 US/Iraq establish diplomatic relations (40 years).
September 13, 1984 Shimon Peres forms Israeli Likud Party (40 years).
2017 marks 40 years since Iranian Revolution began forming 1977.
40 days Aug 21 2017 eclipse to Atonement Sept 30 2017.
40 days from April 2 2021 (midpoint on our timeline) to Rosh Chodesh May 12 2021.
40 hours from 5778 to the Rev 12 sign rising full above the horizon in Jerusalem.
"Life" and "I Am" both have a Jewish gematria value of 40.
The 40th verse (Genesis 2:9) mentions the tree of life & the tree of the knowledge of G & E.
FLOOD: Rained 40 days and 40 nights.
Israelites wandered in the desert 40 years. 40 was considered a generation.
Moses was 40 years in Egypt.
Moses was 40 years in the desert.
Moses on Mt Sinai 40 days and nights on 2 occassions.
Spies sent to investigate the promised land 40 days.
Jonah warned Nineveh in 40 days thy destruction comes.
Ezekiel laid on his right side for 40 days because of Judah's sins.
Elijah on Mt Horeb 40 days without food or water.
Jesus tested for 40 days and nights before His ministry.
Jesus appeared for 40 days after His resurrection.
Judges served and Kings ruled for 40 years.
Egyptians spent 40 days embalming Jacob's (Israel's) body.
American hostages were freed from Iran by the 40th US President Ronald Reagan.
Exodus has 40 chapters.
40 human authors of the Bible.
40 Jubilees = 2000 years.  Just as 120 Jubilees = 6000 years.
If 40 doesn't mean something in Scripture, I'll eat the microphone I'm speaking into.
And as many have forgot, the Iranian Revolution commenced Oct 1977,
That will be (40 years) to October 2017.

On December 23 2016 the US abstained from voting in support of Israel in the UN. Go forward EXACTLY 9 months (conception period) and we arrive at the date of the alignment on September 23, 2017. The sign is for Israel.

According to the Talmud, Adam was created on Tishrei 1. Christ is said to be the Second Adam. And as I pointed out in a recent video, Tishrei Day 1 could also very well be the birth of our Savior. And according to our timeline, His Body the Church will be caught up to heaven on Tishrei 1 (September 21). How fitting.
Could it actually be that the birthdays of Adam, Jesus, and the celestial birth of the Church all three coincide with the Rapture date? This is what the factual data seems to suggest.