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Many of God's prophets have warned what must happen and why.
Perfect example
Matthew 24New Living Translation (NLT)
Jesus Speaks about the Future
24 As Jesus was leaving the Temple grounds, his disciples pointed out to him the various Temple buildings. 2 But he responded, “Do you see all these buildings? I tell you the truth, they will be completely demolished. Not one stone will be left on top of another!”
3 Later, Jesus sat on the Mount of Olives. His disciples came to him privately and said, “Tell us, when will all this happen? What sign will signal your return and the end of the world?[a]”
4 Jesus told them, “Don’t let anyone mislead you, 5 for many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah.’ They will deceive many. 6 And you will hear of wars and threats of wars, but don’t panic. Yes, these things must take place, but the end won’t follow immediately. 7 Nation will go to war against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in many parts of the world. 8 But all this is only the first of the birth pains, with more to come.
9 “Then you will be arrested, persecuted, and killed. You will be hated all over the world because you are my followers.[b] 10 And many will turn away from me and betray and hate each other. 11 And many false prophets will appear and will deceive many people. 12 Sin will be rampant everywhere, and the love of many will grow cold. 13 But the one who endures to the end will be saved. 14 And the Good News about the Kingdom will be preached throughout the whole world, so that all nations[c] will hear it; and then the end will come.
15 “The day is coming when you will see what Daniel the prophet spoke about—the sacrilegious object that causes desecration[d] standing in the Holy Place.” (Reader, pay attention!) 16 “Then those in Judea must flee to the hills. 17 A person out on the deck of a roof must not go down into the house to pack. 18 A person out in the field must not return even to get a coat. 19 How terrible it will be for pregnant women and for nursing mothers in those days. 20 And pray that your flight will not be in winter or on the Sabbath. 21 For there will be greater anguish than at any time since the world began. And it will never be so great again. 22 In fact, unless that time of calamity is shortened, not a single person will survive. But it will be shortened for the sake of God’s chosen ones.
23 “Then if anyone tells you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah,’ or ‘There he is,’ don’t believe it. 24 For false messiahs and false prophets will rise up and perform great signs and wonders so as to deceive, if possible, even God’s chosen ones. 25 See, I have warned you about this ahead of time.
26 “So if someone tells you, ‘Look, the Messiah is out in the desert,’ don’t bother to go and look. Or, ‘Look, he is hiding here,’ don’t believe it! 27 For as the lightning flashes in the east and shines to the west, so it will be when the Son of Man[e] comes. 28 Just as the gathering of vultures shows there is a carcass nearby, so these signs indicate that the end is near.[f]
29 “Immediately after the anguish of those days,
the sun will be darkened,
the moon will give no light,
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the powers in the heavens will be shaken.[g]
30 And then at last, the sign that the Son of Man is coming will appear in the heavens, and there will be deep mourning among all the peoples of the earth. And they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.[h] 31 And he will send out his angels with the mighty blast of a trumpet, and they will gather his chosen ones from all over the world[i]—from the farthest ends of the earth and heaven.
32 “Now learn a lesson from the fig tree. When its branches bud and its leaves begin to sprout, you know that summer is near. 33 In the same way, when you see all these things, you can know his return is very near, right at the door. 34 I tell you the truth, this generation[j] will not pass from the scene until all these things take place. 35 Heaven and earth will disappear, but my words will never disappear.
36 “However, no one knows the day or hour when these things will happen, not even the angels in heaven or the Son himself.[k] Only the Father knows.
37 “When the Son of Man returns, it will be like it was in Noah’s day. 38 In those days before the flood, the people were enjoying banquets and parties and weddings right up to the time Noah entered his boat. 39 People didn’t realize what was going to happen until the flood came and swept them all away. That is the way it will be when the Son of Man comes.
40 “Two men will be working together in the field; one will be taken, the other left. 41 Two women will be grinding flour at the mill; one will be taken, the other left.
42 “So you, too, must keep watch! For you don’t know what day your Lord is coming. 43 Understand this: If a homeowner knew exactly when a burglar was coming, he would keep watch and not permit his house to be broken into. 44 You also must be ready all the time, for the Son of Man will come when least expected.
45 “A faithful, sensible servant is one to whom the master can give the responsibility of managing his other household servants and feeding them. 46 If the master returns and finds that the servant has done a good job, there will be a reward. 47 I tell you the truth, the master will put that servant in charge of all he owns. 48 But what if the servant is evil and thinks, ‘My master won’t be back for a while,’ 49 and he begins beating the other servants, partying, and getting drunk? 50 The master will return unannounced and unexpected, 51 and he will cut the servant to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Perfect example
Matthew 24New Living Translation (NLT)
Jesus Speaks about the Future
24 As Jesus was leaving the Temple grounds, his disciples pointed out to him the various Temple buildings. 2 But he responded, “Do you see all these buildings? I tell you the truth, they will be completely demolished. Not one stone will be left on top of another!”
3 Later, Jesus sat on the Mount of Olives. His disciples came to him privately and said, “Tell us, when will all this happen? What sign will signal your return and the end of the world?[a]”
4 Jesus told them, “Don’t let anyone mislead you, 5 for many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah.’ They will deceive many. 6 And you will hear of wars and threats of wars, but don’t panic. Yes, these things must take place, but the end won’t follow immediately. 7 Nation will go to war against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in many parts of the world. 8 But all this is only the first of the birth pains, with more to come.
9 “Then you will be arrested, persecuted, and killed. You will be hated all over the world because you are my followers.[b] 10 And many will turn away from me and betray and hate each other. 11 And many false prophets will appear and will deceive many people. 12 Sin will be rampant everywhere, and the love of many will grow cold. 13 But the one who endures to the end will be saved. 14 And the Good News about the Kingdom will be preached throughout the whole world, so that all nations[c] will hear it; and then the end will come.
15 “The day is coming when you will see what Daniel the prophet spoke about—the sacrilegious object that causes desecration[d] standing in the Holy Place.” (Reader, pay attention!) 16 “Then those in Judea must flee to the hills. 17 A person out on the deck of a roof must not go down into the house to pack. 18 A person out in the field must not return even to get a coat. 19 How terrible it will be for pregnant women and for nursing mothers in those days. 20 And pray that your flight will not be in winter or on the Sabbath. 21 For there will be greater anguish than at any time since the world began. And it will never be so great again. 22 In fact, unless that time of calamity is shortened, not a single person will survive. But it will be shortened for the sake of God’s chosen ones.
23 “Then if anyone tells you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah,’ or ‘There he is,’ don’t believe it. 24 For false messiahs and false prophets will rise up and perform great signs and wonders so as to deceive, if possible, even God’s chosen ones. 25 See, I have warned you about this ahead of time.
26 “So if someone tells you, ‘Look, the Messiah is out in the desert,’ don’t bother to go and look. Or, ‘Look, he is hiding here,’ don’t believe it! 27 For as the lightning flashes in the east and shines to the west, so it will be when the Son of Man[e] comes. 28 Just as the gathering of vultures shows there is a carcass nearby, so these signs indicate that the end is near.[f]
29 “Immediately after the anguish of those days,
the sun will be darkened,
the moon will give no light,
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the powers in the heavens will be shaken.[g]
30 And then at last, the sign that the Son of Man is coming will appear in the heavens, and there will be deep mourning among all the peoples of the earth. And they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.[h] 31 And he will send out his angels with the mighty blast of a trumpet, and they will gather his chosen ones from all over the world[i]—from the farthest ends of the earth and heaven.
32 “Now learn a lesson from the fig tree. When its branches bud and its leaves begin to sprout, you know that summer is near. 33 In the same way, when you see all these things, you can know his return is very near, right at the door. 34 I tell you the truth, this generation[j] will not pass from the scene until all these things take place. 35 Heaven and earth will disappear, but my words will never disappear.
36 “However, no one knows the day or hour when these things will happen, not even the angels in heaven or the Son himself.[k] Only the Father knows.
37 “When the Son of Man returns, it will be like it was in Noah’s day. 38 In those days before the flood, the people were enjoying banquets and parties and weddings right up to the time Noah entered his boat. 39 People didn’t realize what was going to happen until the flood came and swept them all away. That is the way it will be when the Son of Man comes.
40 “Two men will be working together in the field; one will be taken, the other left. 41 Two women will be grinding flour at the mill; one will be taken, the other left.
42 “So you, too, must keep watch! For you don’t know what day your Lord is coming. 43 Understand this: If a homeowner knew exactly when a burglar was coming, he would keep watch and not permit his house to be broken into. 44 You also must be ready all the time, for the Son of Man will come when least expected.
45 “A faithful, sensible servant is one to whom the master can give the responsibility of managing his other household servants and feeding them. 46 If the master returns and finds that the servant has done a good job, there will be a reward. 47 I tell you the truth, the master will put that servant in charge of all he owns. 48 But what if the servant is evil and thinks, ‘My master won’t be back for a while,’ 49 and he begins beating the other servants, partying, and getting drunk? 50 The master will return unannounced and unexpected, 51 and he will cut the servant to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
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Ben E King - Stand By Me....what do I win?
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Is that you, Zoz?
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Jesus is first talking about the Jewish disposition - then he looks at the christian disposition. the bible does this in revelation too. one does not follow the other. the end from the beginning.
there is no sign needed before the rapture. it's described as imminent. Jesus says - And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.(no delay is implied - John 14) the story of Abraham and Isaac, the sacrifice of the son. the next event for Abraham and Isaac is a wedding. Jesus is following this pattern. He's coming back for his bride, the faithful. read from verse 37 first. the church(the people who are christians) has to be wrapped up first. Then God returns to the Jews. Their eyes will be opened by what happened to the church and their longing for the Messiah will be rekindled. |
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BBC drama - broken - has Sean Bean play a priest.... You nonces will repent or your ballz will get a swift one two. (is this miscasting?)
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34 I tell you the truth, this generation[j] will not pass from the scene until all these things take place.
Why did Jesus say this when we know with hindsight that it wasn't true? He couldn't be clearer, it was going to kick off nearly 2000 years ago but didn't. Why are you still fooling yourself that it will happen soon? |
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Mr Fionavon - This generation shall not pass.
He's looking at the land around him and he SEES the future of the land. He's seeing the new Israel of 1947/48. The generation of that time will not pass, a generation is 70 years(psalms) - They won't sleep, pass.(die). 2017/18. It's like an architect looking over a greenbelt site and saying - one day all this will be full of arses with mortgages. |
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looked up a site to confirm my thoughts about this,
I like to see if the mainstream christians agree with my own interpretations and they do. They go round the houses a bit, but it's the same opinion. https://www.gotquestions.org/this-generation-not-pass.html Jesus is God, God sees the end from the beginning. IN beginning, the jews did not use 'the'. they read right to left In early pictogram form, early hebrew. In the beginning means - Son of the FATHER DESTROYED(killed) by Hand(his own) Cross. The very first two words of the jewish old testement is the entire book. |
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bet resh alef shin yod tall
look up the pictograms yourself - hell is waiting. try and avoid it. |
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So just to get some clarification....
Is this implication of the rising tide of Islam being the Devils actions in deceit or is it god? |
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As you say, a generation is 70 years, he gave a time limit. It didn't happen within that time limit. Just one instance where either the men who made up the bible stories made a c0ck up or where Jesus showed himself to be fallible. When someone pointed out the nonsense verse those with a vested interest scurried around to invent a new interpretation of what is clearly stated in black and white. You pick and choose what you want to believe to be the literal truth and what you need to "interpret" to try and make consistency out of inconsistency. The whole charade is pure nonsense.
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You have taken one line out of context again.
Read all of Mathew 23 - It plainly describes the end times destruction. the apostles ask Jesus this question - and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. Fionavon are you that man? And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. (does this sound like a few years he's describing?) Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.(auchwitz comes to mind) And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. Your dainty line is much further down.. verse 34. So recap - don't post a single line out of context. It's dishonest. He's talking about the end of the world. Not about the next fortnight. You can read the whole chapter online at biblegateway - Mathew 23. |
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Dustybin - Christ is God. What sin did he commit? The Jews reconvened a court some years ago and retried Christ in absentia, they found him not guilty.
Muhammad was a madman, he raped,murdered,tortured,married a six yr old, destroyed villages, he's an all round well adjusted psychopath, who gave the occasional gold coin to the poor. He plagiarized not just the Jewish books and the christian books but also Greek myths.He told his followers not to read the books he stole from? I wonder why? and he got all that from a conversation with an Angel? (Satan, was he an angel?) who came first, who copied who's homework? There is a mass conversion in the middle east right now from Islam to Christianity. The Muslims are having mass dreams of a man in white coming to them. They even report the same dream , the same night. The Arab Christians will be saved, and the British Christians and their boys are abandoning their faith. well done. Just as Christ returns. Like a game of runaround. |
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So are you saying that machinations we see now can be interpreted as being the actions of satan pretending to be god via Islam?
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I know you want to believe all that, Zoz, so we are talking at cross purposes as usual.
Jesus was telling his audience about disturbing events that would happen in their lifetime. What would be the point of telling them about what might happen 2000 years in the future? That's just a modern interpretation to try and shoehorn "prophesy" into history and make scripture relevant to today. We can see what happens to predictions about global warming or population growth for example. If it won't affect us in our lifetime we're not interested is the general view. You are only interested in biblical prediction because you think it will happen soon. If the bible told you either directly or through a numbers game that Armageddon won't happen for another 2000 years then you would be disappointed and would lose interest. |
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the apostles ask Jesus this question - and what shall be the sign of thy coming,
and of the end of the world? |
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Jesus spends two pages which describes...
earthquakes in diverse places. The word of God being spread around the world. wars and rumours of wars. the jews will be chased. How did you get to... in their lifetime? ya mad muppet. |
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Any mention in there of Churchill gettin' beat yesterday?
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Ps - some were muppets like you back them they thought the end was imminent.
Impatient people. This is the third day since Christ was here. a thousand years is like a day to the lord. The wedding feast is prepared and the Bride of Christ will soon be at the wedding. You muppets can dissect the bible and make daisy chains out of it if you want. It's rather sad that you don't see you are repeating the errors of Tubal Cain and others that were warned before. sad. the door is closing on you. you reject all warnings. please do not blame God for what's about to happen to you now. you did the rejecting. |
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Can you cast your critical eye over other books Mr.Foinavon.
I feel you are unjustly targeting a book that has been around for 1900 to 3500 years. One that has heptadic structure woven through it. That frequently is described as the greatest book written. Yet long before the idea of novels and fiction. Here is an excerpt of an old novel – the count of Monte Cristo.. “My Dear Maximilian, “There is a felucca for you at anchor. Jacopo will carry you to Leghorn,where Monsieur Noirtier awaits his granddaughter, whom he wishes to bless before you lead her to the altar. All that is in this grotto, my friend, my house in the Champs-Élysées, and my château at Tréport, are the marriage gifts bestowed by Edmond Dantès upon the son of his old master, Morrel. Mademoiselle de Villefort will share them with you; for I entreat her to give to the poor the immense fortune reverting to her from her father, now a madman, and her brother who died last September with his mother. Tell the angel who will watch over your future destiny, Morrel, to pray sometimes for a man, who, like Satan, thought himself for an instant equal to God, but who now acknowledges with Christian humility that God alone possesses supreme power and infinite wisdom. Perhaps those prayers may soften the remorse he feels in his heart. As for you, Morrel, this is the secret of my conduct towards you. There is neither happiness nor misery in the world; there is only the comparison of one state with another, nothing more. He who has felt the deepest grief is best able to experience supreme happiness. We must have felt what it is to die, Morrel, that we may appreciate the enjoyments of living. “Live, then, and be happy, beloved children of my heart, and never forget that until the day when God shall deign to reveal the future to man, all human wisdom is summed up in these two words,—‘Wait and hope.’—Your friend, “Edmond Dantès, Count of Monte Cristo.” |
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The bride of Christ?
Im not so sure I fancy much of that tbh. I often wonder; If there were such a great knowledge and ability gap as there is, between the insignificance of man and that of God to that of god and something that much greater.....how God would have done under the circumstances to which he tests? |
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the reference to `this generation` seems to refer to generation Jesus is talking to.
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Aha, so I'M the mad muppet?
I think I prefer the sermon in Moby Dick denouncing the sins of Jonah. Too long to C+P so here is a link. Enjoy https://americanliterature.com/author/herman-melville/book/moby-dick-or-the-whale/chapter-9-the-sermon Now Jonah now he lived in a whale. Yeah Jonah he lived in a whale Yet he made his home in that Fish's abdomen. Jonah he lived in a whale. Zoz, it ain't necessarily so  |
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verse 33- when ye shall see all these things
verse 34- this generation shall not pass |
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actually foinavon there is a famous case of a british sailor swept overboard in the 1800s hunting whales
he was thought to be lost in the sea but later a whale was harpooned and on board cut open and the sailor was inside alive. He lived to old age with skin bleached very white by the acid in the whales stomach. |
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you speak about God? but don't know the phrase the bride of Christ.
where you brought up by Buddhists? Gen 3:22 “Then the LORD God said, "Behold, the man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil. And now, lest he put out his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever" Jesus on the cross is the tree of life. So God is closing the gap between himself and man. we shall see him as he is... this infers we will be on the same plane of existance as God. Man might last the old startrek episodes to become an energy being in millions of years (that's a fantasy, an unreachable one) God is offering it right now and you'd rather be a monkey's uncle. muppets. |
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Jonah died in the whale - God raised him on the third day.
It's a prefiguration of Christ. All you will be given is the sign of Jonah.(angry jesus) many instances in real life of whales swallowing men. |
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He answered, "A wicked and adulterous generation asks for a sign! But none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah.
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I like proof, otherwise I don't believe anything.
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wars and famine and disease, this is the story of the last 2000 years
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Richard Dawkins, the famous atheist said - That biology is the study of complicated things *that appear to have been designed for a purpose*. Dawkins, the most anti-creationist atheist in the world, admits that if you take the evidence at face value, it looks like things were designed for a purpose.
“Biology is the study of complicated things that give the appearance of having been designed for a purpose.” {Richard Dawkins, The Blind Watchmaker, 1996, p. 1} He enlarges on this thought: “We may say that a living body or organ is well designed if it has attributes that an intelligent and knowledgeable engineer might have built into it in order to achieve some sensible purpose… any engineer can recognize an object that has been designed, even poorly designed, for a purpose, and he can usually work out what that purpose is just by looking at the structure of the object.” {Richard Dawkins, The Blind Watchmaker, 1996, p. 21} DNA is a language based code using 4 letters CAGT – the human genome having 3 billion base pairs – You might say about it that it has the appearance of being designed for a purpose. It has redundancy side codes that checks the main code. A message sent needs to be received. Languages do not spontaneously appear. The Fibonacci Sequence Is running through all of nature. Up through the subatomic world of Atoms to all the plants that grow on Earth. It follows the rule of adding the previous two numbers in the sequence to give us the next number. 1.2.3.5.8.13.21.34.55.89 as the first numbers in the sequence. So if you look at a pineapple the outer rings follow this numbering. Trees use it to grow leaves, daisies, roses. All plants use the fibonacci sequence. It has the appearance of being designed for a purpose. the universe itself is balanced on a knife edge of impossible universal constants. You might say it has the appearance of having been designed for a purpose. Can you really trust your own eyes? that is what Dawkins is saying. If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck… it’s a fkin duck Occam's razor (or Ockham's razor) is a principle from philosophy. Suppose there exist two explanations for an occurrence. In this case, the simpler one is usually better. |
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our generation has been quite a lucky one, that`s not the norm for most.
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you don`t understand Dawkins do you zorro?
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Appears I do
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Even Derek Acorah could have predicted disasters wars & famine
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I think you lot have completely lost it. Whatever it is???
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Dawkins says Aliens could be the designer (whit) ( say it again?) whit the FK
Calling all UFO freaks.... Dawkins is your leader. So why is God banned? mr dawkins. Is it because God is gonna judge you for your sins? Aliens aren't gonna judge you , mr Dawkins? He is a prize wacko. Golf ballz keep dropping out of his mouth. Keep him talking. He keeps loading the gun for the creotards. |
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Thanks for the whale story LFC, I will look it up.
Now who is taking quotations out of context? As LFC says, you haven't read the book or you would understand. You have done the same in the past when quoting "The selfish gene". When I offer you a quote, you can be sure that I have read the book. Perhaps you should do the same. |
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When you start quoting other peoples views as if they were facts, you've lost the argument.
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Help us find it Moisok.
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