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By:
moisok
When: 20 Jun 17 12:41
Distraction/obfuscation is the tactic - the name of the game. Taking you away from the real issue/problem.
By:
PorcupineorPineapple
When: 20 Jun 17 12:44
I know. That's why I'm trying to prompt you to support your argument and stop putting blocks up.
By:
cardenden
When: 20 Jun 17 13:04
can anyone lend me a DICTIONARY please
By:
saddo
When: 20 Jun 17 13:04
You insinuate that people who recognise Islam as a danger, are racist. A tedious argument and, I would think, mainly incorrect.
By:
PorcupineorPineapple
When: 20 Jun 17 13:08
I'd say stupid or misguided rather than racist personally.
By:
moisok
When: 20 Jun 17 13:19
As we progress you will eventually not even be allowed to discuss it. Hope this helps.
By:
dustybin
When: 20 Jun 17 13:20
PorcupineorPineapple • June 20, 2017 12:21 PM BST
I think the only difference is in success, or capability if you will. In the last 12 months we've had (from what we know) at least 3 incidents involving "white brits". The first one of course was a successful assassination but luckily it was only the sheer ineptitude of the tube bomber and Mr Osborne that saw no further fatalities.

But make no mistake, the intent was there. They wanted to kill and to maim; they were just a bit rubbish at it.



Look at what i would consider the facts here.
The % incidence ratio of terrorist acts (which apparently the bbc say is 70-30 in muslims 'favour') and the ratio to populace of muslim to non muslim (something like 20% from memory)
That suggests the frequency of terrorism is totally one sided, those who believe themselves under the kosh if you like do the cowardly acts to 'gain ground'.
To suggest non muslims just arnt very good misses the point that they don't stoop to that level of hitting soft targets with anywhere near as great an alacrity.
By:
moisok
When: 20 Jun 17 13:22
One attack has changed the narrative for ever. Seizing the opportunity and the high ground has always been the strategy in a military compaign.
In a different struggle between two philosophies, achieving the moral high ground also is a bit of a coup.
By:
PorcupineorPineapple
When: 20 Jun 17 13:26
You wouldn't consider driving into a crowd of people, leaving a bomb on a tube, or shooting a defenceless woman choosing "soft targets"? Bizarre.


Moysey - are you deliberately being enigmatic and commenting on your own desire not to discuss your point any more? Surely a link isn't that much to ask?
By:
moisok
When: 20 Jun 17 13:28
a 'MAN' was arrested in Kidderminster Sunday - that has been kept quiet. Bomb squad involved as well.  Odd that.
By:
pumphol.
When: 20 Jun 17 13:32
There are " incidents" every day of the week & barely often get no more than a mention very locally this happened in my area a couple of weeks back.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40189916
By:
moisok
When: 20 Jun 17 13:34
oh  and yesterday a 'MAN'  in Canterbury wielding a knife !!
By:
moisok
When: 20 Jun 17 13:36
for landan  the evening standard is very up on all the stabbings

Apparently the 'MAN' in Canterbury was near the barracks now being used to house people from North East London - a lot of code is being used here is it not?
By:
dustybin
When: 20 Jun 17 13:42
PorcupineorPineapple • June 20, 2017 1:26 PM BST
You wouldn't consider driving into a crowd of people, leaving a bomb on a tube, or shooting a defenceless woman choosing "soft targets"? Bizarre.



I gather your original statement was just being flippant, but now you are being pedantic.

Of course some will do similar acts, but as outlined the frequency and mentality is one sided.
By:
Platini
When: 20 Jun 17 14:06
Kidderminster attack yet another example of dozens that are being hushed up. Remember the nursery teacher that got stabbed by 3 female Islamists ?  That story got well and truly buried. - "not a terrorist incident" according to authorities CrazyCrazyCrazyCrazyCrazyCrazyCrazyCrazyCrazyCrazy
By:
moisok
When: 20 Jun 17 14:15
no platini you cannot say that - you have provided no links you bad boy

you will be howled down by the protectors on here

it is the naughty step for you
By:
moisok
When: 20 Jun 17 14:16
ps I go up to Kiddy (as the locals call it)  Severn Valley railway starts there.  Steam engines, wonderful views and great beer!!!
By:
Jack Hacksaw
When: 20 Jun 17 14:20
True.  Was on it last week.
By:
moisok
When: 20 Jun 17 14:31
plenty of stabbings, drive by shootings and racist attacks in Landan town - check out the evening standard. There are so many of them I will not have time to post  all the links!!!!
By:
moisok
When: 20 Jun 17 14:35
have you noticed that the guardian won't open a comments page on anything to do with the one and only faith? Not for any of the incidents - anyone wonder about this?
By:
saddo
When: 20 Jun 17 14:38
All their readership think and say the same things. No need for lots of identical comments, ta
By:
PorcupineorPineapple
When: 20 Jun 17 14:55
dusty - I'll give you frequency. There's a serious problem with Islamist terrorism here that needs to be addressed. I think what needs to happen though - and I've mentioned this till I'm blue in the face - is a sense of responsibility from the authorities, the press and influential types on social media that portraying the problem as belonging to the whole of islam is both utterly wrong and encourages retaliatory attacks like we saw yesterday.

I don't think you can necessarily fix one without addressing the other in the current climate.

I'm not sure what you mean about mentality though. As I've said, your man on the tube and Mr Osborne went out to cause as much hurt and damage as they could. The only difference maybe is that they weren't as willing to die in their attempt but they went out to kill just as much as the London Bridge shower did.
By:
dustybin
When: 20 Jun 17 15:04
Are you referring to the severly autisticly disabled guy as 'my man on the tube'?
He had the mentality of a child, I think you are clutching at straws there.

Of course its not all muslims, but how do non muslims change the mindset of muslims who are degenerate?
They cant imo, that is only for the muslim community.


You could argue that those non muslims are in effect retaliating in a guise similar to civil war.
While the non muslims still have more to lose than gain then they will accept the political rhetoric, If that changes then perhaps so would the frequency and efficiency of non muslim degenerate terrorists.
By:
PorcupineorPineapple
When: 20 Jun 17 15:13
Are you referring to the severly autisticly disabled guy as 'my man on the tube'?
He had the mentality of a child, I think you are clutching at straws there.


I had uploaded the Family Guy terrorist chart but the mods haven't allowed it so you'll just have to google it. Safe to say, you'll appreciate the relevance.

I think it's really unhelpful though to try and perpetuate a narrative that "our" terrorists are mentally ill while "theirs" are evil or summat.


Of course its not all muslims, but how do non muslims change the mindset of muslims who are degenerate?
They cant imo, that is only for the muslim community.


Again, I disagree with this massively. Why is it only for muslims? You talk about lack of integration and then suggest wider society has no part to play. IT will remember but we had a similar conversation last week. I started watching Guerilla (Idris Elba, lovely one from Millionaire film) last night too which was very timely. But for the muslims right now, you could be talking about how we treated black people and pakistanis 30 years ago. I'm not going to re-hash it all again, but the idea that this is only a problem for the muslim community to solve is frankly nonsense.
By:
dustybin
When: 20 Jun 17 15:13
Just so we retain some balance; I have known plenty of muslims while growing up and the vast majority have been perfectly fine and we got on well.
By:
dustybin
When: 20 Jun 17 15:19
What Im saying is that the agenda of the muslim terrorist will persist irrespective of how well they get treated because its based on theocracy, therefore there is nothing non muslims can do to stop potential terrorism.
There is much made of what part we all can play and to an extent its true, but why do we assume its our role to change around differing cultures?

Also, have you ever experienced somebody who is on the severely autistic spectrum?
Its not about them being suspected to have mental health issues, it goes way beyond that.
By:
moisok
When: 20 Jun 17 15:21
porky will deflect and carry the points you are right about, spewing smoke out to cover up

this is how they work

what is ironic is within the faith porky would not be allowed to say EVEN what he says on here now.
By:
moisok
When: 20 Jun 17 15:22
I simply refer you to the latest on line muslim forums to get a taste of their narrative
By:
Injera
When: 20 Jun 17 17:23
At the launch of the review, to be completed in 2017, May said: "Many British people of different faiths follow religious codes and practices, and benefit a great deal from the guidance they offer.

"A number of women have reportedly been victims of what appear to be discriminatory decisions taken by sharia councils, and that is a significant concern. There is only one rule of law in our country, which provides rights and security for every citizen.

"Professor [Mona] Siddiqui, supported by a panel with a strong balance of academic, religious and legal expertise, will help us better understand whether and the extent to which sharia law is being misused or exploited and make recommendations to the government on how to address this."

- Buzz Feed.

That's code for Sharia is here to stay.

Re the Law Society:

Formal training on Sharia law is being offered to high street lawyers later this year by the professional body which represents solicitors.

The Law Society is running an “introduction to Islamic Sharia law for small firms” in a bid to help lawyers serve their Muslim client base in areas of law such as family, children, wills and inheritance.

But Baroness Cox, who campaigns against quasi-legal systems such as Sharia courts, criticised the Law Society’s actions.
Disturbing

“While every citizen in this country is free to practice their religion, it is deeply disturbing that an organisation as prestigious as the Law Society appears to be encouraging the implementation of Sharia Law”, she said.

She explained that Sharia law is “often inherently discriminatory against women”.

“Muslim women have claimed they feel ‘betrayed’ by Britain: they came here to escape Sharia law and they find the situation worse here than in the countries they came from”, Lady Cox added.

- Christian Institute
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 20 Jun 17 17:47
He still hasn't been charged with anything has he?

What's the deal here, isn't this as clear cut as it first appeared?
By:
lfc1971
When: 20 Jun 17 18:00
appears moisok was correct about sharia law, he deserves an apology from pineapple , and others ?
By:
PorcupineorPineapple
When: 20 Jun 17 18:06
What have I got to apologise for? I just asked him to provide a link so I could read for myself. Still waiting as it happens.
By:
lfc1971
When: 20 Jun 17 18:12
i disn't expect that sort of answer from pineapple.
By:
PorcupineorPineapple
When: 20 Jun 17 18:17
life's full of surprises lfc.
By:
lfc1971
When: 20 Jun 17 18:17
Did I expect an apology ? anythings possible, I read it somewhere.
By:
saddo
When: 20 Jun 17 18:17
Very petty for one of such intelligence.
By:
PorcupineorPineapple
When: 20 Jun 17 18:18
Hang on, do I have to apologise to you now?
By:
Injera
When: 20 Jun 17 18:20
Pedantry PP. Ditch it.
By:
PorcupineorPineapple
When: 20 Jun 17 18:24
scuse me?
By:
moisok
When: 20 Jun 17 18:45
did you see his post on the rape trial in germany ?
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